Upcoming Arena 2v2 Bracket Changes

[Ascal]

But hey, ain't the folks at Blizz just taking the easy road again?

First it was: We can't solve the performance issues with WG so we make it that LESS people CAN participate in it.

Now: We can't balance 2vs2, so let's just make it, that LESS people WANT to participate in it.

It's like you're a surgeon and you're amputating the whole leg, just when the toenail is broken.

it's more like a surgeon amputating a leg because there is a huge-ass tumor in it.

[Daedalon]

Im very dissapointed with this. 2v2s should never count for giving endgame items. Blizzard are just cowards to not go through with much needed changes - and mostly they are afraid of loosing money when the classes dominating 2v2s (cause of balancing issues) can't get their free items.

But seriously - after reading some of the replies here... OMG read what you are saying guys.... realise that there is another world than the internet. Griefing and namecalling seems to be the only thing WOW players can do by now. And its pathetic to watch it. Go take 2 hours walk or something - Im pretty sure most of you havn't been out of the house so long for the last four years. And its starting to show on your attitude.

[Greyy]

Just out of curiosity.

You play rogue right?

Nope, I play a priest, which I admit that is overpowered at the moment.. However, I play DK + Priest setup, and if you check sk-100, its representation isn't that high.

[Drewbie]

I don't PVP/arena for the pure reason that I don't have time to after raiding/farming/enjoying summer. But this is the equivalent of saying

"Sorry 10man guilds dispite what we said in the beginning, you can't get weapon upgrades or shoulders in 10man instances anymore. You need a 25man guild to do that. You also can't get 10man protodrakes for all your time and effort,."

Treat everyone faily, Blizzard really. Stop implementing then penalising people for prefering a bracket or aspect of playing you can't balance whether it be via class mechanics or AP distrubution, honor etc.

More like "Sorry 10 man guilds you can no longer get 25 man gear from doing 10 man raids." Oh wait it's already like that!

And of course there's the people who say they'd rather have it so 2v2 doesn't get gear but can still get the glad title....yea of course you'd like it where your competition can't get any gear upgrades unless they have a 3v3 or 5v5 team while you poop on their faces :P

[NefariousNinja]

Not bad change, funny seeing people freak out on this compromise.

[Yetal]

But hey, ain't the folks at Blizz just taking the easy road again?

First it was: We can't solve the performance issues with WG so we make it that LESS people CAN participate in it.

Now: We can't balance 2vs2, so let's just make it, that LESS people WANT to participate in it.

It's like you're a surgeon and you're amputating the whole leg, just when the toenail is broken.

Actually its more like the entire leg is a mess of broken bones and gangrene and the patient is just too stubborn to let it go.

2v2 is an unbalanced mess constantly swayed by new FOTM teams, and there was really nothing else Blizz could do with WG besides get fewer people to play it.

[Tridus]

Blizzard's handling of this is hillariously inept.

The fact of the matter is that players overwhelmingly play in 2v2 over any other bracket. Blizzard can think whatever it wants. The players have said in EVERY season that they prefer 2v2.

So, instead of catering to what people actually want, Blizzard tries to force them into the brackets Blizzard wants people to do. Then when the players revolt, Blizzard has to start caving in.

I kind of wish they wouldn't have in this case, it would be nice to see another 65% drop in arena participation when all those people abandon it because they can't play in the bracket they actually want.

[Balbaroy]

Cool beans although imo theres still no reason to play 2s. Thats weird that they wont offer gladiator for 2's. I think they should, and I hate 2v2. Maybe lower the qualifying percentage by half? Still, I'm looking forward to more 3v3 and 5v5 cuz man 2s gets annoying.

[Lovely]

And yet again, the QQers get their way by QQing like crazy instead of playing!

[Fabolous1]

wow so now you can get the damn gear but cant get gladiator for 2s?

[Lovely]

Blizzard's handling of this is hillariously inept.

The fact of the matter is that players overwhelmingly play in 2v2 over any other bracket. Blizzard can think whatever it wants. The players have said in EVERY season that they prefer 2v2.

So, instead of catering to what people actually want, Blizzard tries to force them into the brackets Blizzard wants people to do. Then when the players revolt, Blizzard has to start caving in.

I kind of wish they wouldn't have in this case, it would be nice to see another 65% drop in arena participation when all those people abandon it because they can't play in the bracket they actually want.

It's not the bracket I have something against. It's more the fact WHY people play 2v2. It's not that it's more fun. It's because you can faceroll with an OP class all the way to 2400+. You can't do that in 3v3 and the people who QQ know that. That's why they QQ!

God forbid something in this game was difficult and/or rewarded skill.... gosh that would be horrible </irony>

[Cathode]

Anyone who has played arenas in glad range knows all 3 brackets are plagued with FOTM rerolls running insane combos. For example if I was doing 3v3s last season and ran into Pally+DK+Warlock, I may as well just leave the goddamn game as soon as the gate opens. It just so happens its easier to faceroll a 2v2 combo to 2200+, which explains the crackdown on the bracket (also because there's just simply more 2v2 teams playing). This change probably won't affect the fact that "bring the player not the class" has been an idea thrown completely down the shitter, but it may help bring some life to a very dead 5v5 bracket.

As a side note, I have no idea why people are saying Blizzard caved to casuals. It clearly states at the end of the blue post that 2v2 players won't be getting access to anything worth a damn. Try to control your rage if you happen to see a 2v2 bracket player wearing a s7 chestpiece.

[Kinia]

l2p, every class can get glad, wpns, shoulders

although everyone CAN get them in theory, some classes/specs need to be basicly boosted by others ;/

I play balance druid, there is NO comp in any bracket in which im preferred member

i think the same goes for elemental and enhancment shammys

( reroll? do it urself if u want, i wont, change spec? its huge change for druids/shammys, rogue does melee dps in all 3 trees, we do caster dps/melee dps/healing - 3 totally different play styles, 3 totally different sets of gear, its like playing different class almost, and as such, no i wont "reroll" )

and to follow the topic: its good change, u still get a lot in 2v2 but ur OP class have it much harder in 3v3

[Fabolous1]

that's even worse than their first dumb ass idea...

just fucking penalize the points more or something

[Daelos]

I wonder why.

I never liked arena anyways because it's always the FOTM (and the last few seasons have been the class I play, go figure). I'm glad 2v2 is gone. Now nerf cleave and RMP and maybe arena will be, you know...good.

Rogue has been my main since launch of TBC, and I started PvP:ing in arena season 3 I think, so sorry, your FOTM card is gone..

This is exactly the same as if Blizzard would suddenly say: "We are too lazy to balance 10man-raid encounters so you can still run them but we are taking away the loot and the titles kktybye" people in the 10-man raid guilds would be so excited, right?

[Kinia]

Blizzard's handling of this is hillariously inept.

The fact of the matter is that players overwhelmingly play in 2v2 over any other bracket. Blizzard can think whatever it wants. The players have said in EVERY season that they prefer 2v2.

So, instead of catering to what people actually want, Blizzard tries to force them into the brackets Blizzard wants people to do. Then when the players revolt, Blizzard has to start caving in.

I kind of wish they wouldn't have in this case, it would be nice to see another 65% drop in arena participation when all those people abandon it because they can't play in the bracket they actually want.

99% of 2v2 players will NOT feel ANY different to what it is right now, why? they never get so high rating anyway!

for 1% ? yes! u will have to do 3v3 and prove ur playing not only imba class but also actually have good skill

[Deathcold]

We got players spells and abilities changed all around to adjust the game for a 2v2, 3v3 or 5v5 arena. we already lost the count on how many of those changes had a negative reflect on PVE. However it never works, since it is always umbalanced no matter what happens.
I dont care about PVP, in my opnion when a arena sesson start they should allow players to transfer their character to a diferent server, making a big championship (something like a character copy for PRT). There all classes can be tunned equaly for the arena matches, so PVE would be tunned exclusively for PVE encounters and not by arena PVP.

Just my 2 cents.

[Skriblz]

Kinda hilarious

"Okay, so like, we can't balance PvP for shit, so lets move it from the 'DK+Healer' to 'RMP' and 'Cleave' bracket, that makes sense"

Balance your fucking game, Blizzard.

[Kinia]

Rogue has been my main since launch of TBC, and I started PvP:ing in arena season 3 I think, so sorry, your FOTM card is gone..

This is exactly the same as if Blizzard would suddenly say: "We are too lazy to balance 10man-raid encounters so you can still run them but we are taking away the loot and the titles kktybye" people in the 10-man raid guilds would be so excited, right?

ur example is just bad, pve can and is balanced ( there is NO class/spec which u dont actually wanna take to raid)

in 10 man u get worse gear than in 25 man

in 10 man u get different tittles than in 25 man

bottom line: this change is actually bringing it closer to pve situation not further away

[fakestreet]

i'm interested in what the S7 Glad demographic is going to look like. S5 Glad was something like:

100 teams in 2s.
40 teams in 3s.
7 teams in 5s.

granted that most of the top players share the top spot on all brackets, but if you remove the 100 teams in 2s, you would need a TON more people to play more 3s to make up the difference in Glads. either that or just have half the Glads than previous season (an even smaller number comparing S4 -> S5).