Thread: Worgen Pet, Gladiators Wyrms, 3.2 Item Comparison, Blue posts

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The worgen should not technically belong to any of the pet families and was therefore removed. This means the pet no longer has access to pet talents or abilities. Whether or not similar circumstances with hunter pets in the past have occurred isn't really relevant. Given the nature of the creature that was tamed in this case, we feel it should not belong to any of the eligible pet families from which a hunter can choose his or her combat companion.

Originally Posted by morph4037

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Can someone ask why we can't feed him? It means I can never have him out or else he'll eventually run away.

This is total bull.

Originally Posted by xSaix

Can someone ask why we can't feed him? It means I can never have him out or else he'll eventually run away.

This is total bull.

Once again read it, they didn't want him to ever be tamed so they are making sure that those that have it will either choose to perma stable it or having the pet run away from not being fed so they lose the pet.

So does this mean i have to do UBRS, ZG, MC, Ony, BWL, AQ20, AQ40, Kara, Mag, SSC, TK, BT, Sunwell, Naxx10, Naxx25, OS10, OS25, Eye10, and Eye25 before i'm "allowed" to enter Ulduar because everyone else did before i got there?
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great great great point

Originally Posted by furydeath

Or you could just have don't pvp on a pally or Death knight

QQ hero class QQ

A Word of Warning to all you Worgen lovers - Blizzard are swinging Banhammers at anyone who is posting requests of reimplementation of the Worgen as a pet under the same clauses of previous pets such as the Slime.

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* 0. Petition: Worgen pets restoration 07/08/2009 06:32:30 AM PDT

Seeing my original post got deleted on the Customer Service forum within 2 minutes.... I'll try once here see if it's deleted. Before I paste my original post however, I read the post re: Worgen as a playable and while that holds a little water for me... they'd have to make the Worgen another hero class rather than choosing "warrior, shaman, shadowmage,etc" as classes.... as well as, they'd have to either have humanoid and worgen form, or they'd have to have a travel presence instead of a mount... for flying I'm not sure what we'd do.... maybe a flying disc or something to stand on. I support removing Worgen _IF_ Worgen are becoming a new playable... as long as Worgen are done right.... fist weapons only perhaps, and the ability to imbue your weapons similarly to Runeforging... but I get off topic

I'm a shaman, I'm petitioning for the Hunter class to restore their Worgen pet. Any hunter who has already tamed this pet should indeed be allowed to keep it as a viable usable pet as was done with any and all other "limited time tames" in the game.

Ghostwolf - Originally labelled the "Grimtotem Spirit Guide", this pet was summoned by a hostile mob and lived for 8 seconds (Tame Pet cast time is 20 secs). After several weeks of hunters frantically buying gear, recruiting friends (namely a shaman and a LWer if they were not one) to tame this elusive unique pet Blizzard decided to fix their mistake after being quoted that they were going to leave the Ghostwolf alone as a tamable pet. A brief hotfix removed the Grimtotem Spirit Guides from the game, HOWEVER hunters who had already spent the time to tame these pets were allowed to keep them.

Hawkbane - Hawkbane was a little known about white tiger available from the start of Burning Crusade only until patch 2.1 when he was removed from the game. Blizzard never explained why this npc was removed from the game, although it's theorized that the revamp of Skettis conflicted with it's spawn points. Hunters were allowed to keep this pet, but the skin is not unique and shared by 2 other cat npcs.

Death Ravager - This unique ravager skin is summoned from a level 10 Warrior quest, Alliance side. Another summoned beast that Blizzard has allowed to keep despite odd behaviors such as the hunter being the only person able to heal him, and sometimes glitchy pvp behavior. Despite these bugs, Hunters who tamed Death Ravager are allowed to keep him to this day, and Blizzard has not fixed the bugs related to him whereas he was never intended as a pet.

Hunting Windroc - These strange behaving birds were abundant in Nagrand shortly after Burning Crusade's launch and would 'randomly' dive-bomb talbuks. Sometime before patch 2.3 these birds were removed from the game in a similar fashion as Hawkbane, with no explanation given. Also like Hawkbane, thankfully there are other brown and black owl skins available at the moment.

Amongst the changes to Dustwallow Marsh it should also be mentioned that a number of normal pets were fully removed from the game. Any owners of the original tames were allowed to keep these as well.

On the appropriate PTR the Amani Warbear was tamable, although when the patch went live the beast was not. This skin is not that far removed from the Shattered Hand Warhound which also has the saddle and bags and such, but is tamable by any hunter that wishes to get one.

Torgos, a green carrion bird was tamable on the Burning Crusade beta, although was removed for seemingly no reason while regular carrion in the area are still tamable to this day.

Though kind of a silly concept, worth mentioning none the less is the Arctic Grizzly Cub in Dragonblight was tamable during the Lich King beta, but was also removed when the game launched.

These 3 while tamable at one point, were removed taking their unique skins with them.

Sandfury Guardian - These green snakes were originally removed from the Hunter 'tame' list, but then readded. Previous to patch 1.3 these snakes were considered 'Wind Serpents' and were tamable, although were quickly removed only to be readded as a tamable pet with patch 2.0. The original skills had changed, though the pet was tamable again. Hunters who had tamed him back before patch 1.3 were allowed to keep him throughout it's removal from being a pet.

Blizzard has also allowed hunters to keep other previously "oopsed" pets that were originally not designed to be tamed. Two examples of this are both "Crocolisks" by nature. The ghostly hydra that is summoned during the Oracles dailies was originally tamable, although with patch 3.0.8 he was removed from being tamable and once again hunters were allowed to keep him. Also related to the hydra would be the albino crocolisk who also previous to patch 3.0.8 was tamable, was patched in 3.0.8 to not allow him to be tamed and hunters who had him were allowed to keep him. Both of these pets had their skins removed from hunter options with these changes and are no longer available in any way for hunter pets.

Final example of a pet that should never be allowed, although has been permitted to be kept, was strangely enough another Oracles dailies quest mob that also behaves as a Crocolisk. Previous to patch 3.0.8 hunters could tame a slime... yes a SLIME as a pet. This Slime has the classic green bubbling skin with the skull inside and weapons and such sticking out of him, but behaves as a crocolisk does. After patch 3.0.8 hunters were allowed to keep this pet for some reason, but no further tames were allowed.

All of this needed to be pointed out before making a valid argument for Hunter Worgen pets.

Many times in the past, Blizzard has either quietly patched in a pet to allow players some variety and some scouting for viable options in search of that one pet that will set them aside from everyone else, or has simply slipped up and forgot to encode something and players benefitted from a unique pet because of it. Over the last week there has been a large number of hunters out in Howling Fjord taming this unique 'Worg', ok his skin isn't a classic worg, but he 'behaves and reacts exactly as a' worg does which in turn makes him a worg. There was a blue post a few days ago made stating that Blizzard was intending to remove the Worg-en from being tamed during patch 3.2 but was swiftly deleted and now the hunter community knows why.

Unlike every other pet that Blizzard has implemented then removed, the Worgen has lost it's skills, talent tree, and has been removed from 'valid pet mechanics'. Even the Serpent before 2.0 was still a pet, though couldn't be fed so was rarely used for fear of it abandoning it's master. Blizzard has removed the Worgen from new tames but has also robbed hunters who have already tamed him and in some cases having already abandoning other retired pets to obtain him.

Blizzard, will you restore abandoned pets to these hunters if they ask?

Likely the answer to this is no, as abandoning a pet is a player controlled action, but abandoning a pet to tame another then having that pet removed still has you left with no pet and is arguably not your fault that you have no pet.

The largest argument against Worgen as hunter pets have been that they are sentient beings, therefore would rebel from the taming and wouldn't allow anyone to tame or control them.
Exhibit A: Loque'nahak - the mate to a God. First off, this beast is the mate to a sentient talking Snow Leopard... what validation is there in saying that this beast, or it's mate would allow you to live while taming, or trying to control it.

"But but Worgen are humanoids"
Ordinarily yes, but in the case of Garwal you're wrong. Garwal when tamed is considered a beast, a wolf specifically and reacts, talents, growls, etc all exactly like a wolf. The fact that he is displayed with armor is irrelevent.

"But Worgen aren't from Azeroth, how can they be a pet"
Neither are warlock pets, and arguably ghouls but yet they are allowed due to class mechanics. Hunters have the exception where they can choose what they befriend which honestly should have been the case with warlocks....

"But Worgen are sentient! Srsly!!"
And how is a bubbling muck, a puddle of ooze, a SLIME tamable and controllable by a hunter? How does a hunter control a creature that simply reacts on base impulses in the same way that a bloodthirsty cursed creature such as the worg would?

Quite simply, there is no validation in the removal of the Worgen as a pet beyond "It's our game we'll do it if we want to". The evidence is here to defend the hunters and to allow them to keep their Worgen pet as a full viable pet option. The only time that a pet has been removed and permanently stabled has had the pet readded at the begging request of the community.

I'm here to petition, it's either the Worgen being readded, or the Slime burried.... you cannot validate removing the Worgen without addressing the similar argument behind the Slime 'crocolisk'.

Slime - Behaves, talents, and skills as a crocolisk
Worgen - Behaves, talents, and skills as a worg/wolf."

Apparently Blizzard can't handle being told they goofed twice in 1 week.

Originally Posted by TanAxys

My brain is arguing over this one

1 - It's a frikking skin, wtf is the big deal? - either way - for Bliz, or Hunters.

2 - As pointed out in the above post, it's happened before and this worgen is the first to get skrood over like this.

I have one, and I'm keeping it. I spent 50g for a respec and I threw away a L80 pet, and spent like 4 hours trying to tame him in bewteen lots of other hunters that came and went. It was a pretty epic tame, because of the split second timing required, and there was no formula to follow because everyone has a different haste rating and Wyvern damage ticks. If history repeats itself, the worgen will be back sooner or later. At the very least I can scare old ladies with it by taking him out for a quick stroll once a month or so. Hell, I have a useless Devilsaur stuck in my stable as well from when I expirimented with BM. He can't get out unless I respec, and BM sux so it would just be to release him anyway. I'd rather lose the stable slot than spend 100g to spec into BM and then out of it again. Luckily hunters only need one stable slot atm anyway, just to switch bewteen the PvE mandatory wolf type (that every hunter in the universe has), and the PvP pet of choice. It's not like any other pets are useful in any way.

Keep it, Blizzard isn't making you get rid of it, just don't expect to put talents into it. It was never intended to be tamed because it's a humanoid, not a simple beast. Unlike every other pet in the past, this one is intelligent and sapient as well as sentient.

so is this pet not tameable now on EU servers ?

Originally Posted by Naoto

Are addons for people lacking common sense? why waste your time doing maths when the game does it for you?

Anyone know if there's a reason why the EU maintenance is down from 3AM CET to 1PM CET? never usualy that long.

pity, this 'feature' they are introducing, is nothing like ratingbuster.

ie: it will not provide a summary of mp5(or ofsr) gained from stats like intellect & spirit or the effects on those stats by any talents your toon has.

defense is another aspect this 'feature' blizzard fails at too.