Razorscale 10 man

[Chubbz77]

Helloo,

Recently my guild has started back in Ulduar after many troubles of healers and people leaving, we never got very far in the first place, having still only downed FL, XT and Kologarn to this date, but we've tryed Razorscale a few times and ive heard many people saying that you have to get roughly 25% down each ground phase. With some of the dps we have wearing heroic/naxx10/pvp gear i dont see how this is possible for each ground phase with the tanks focussing on adds aswell, Should tanks just pick up the adds and then attack the boss aswell so we can have that extra bit of dps?

Thanks

[bals]

you don't have to do 25% per ground phase. it's much easier if you do but doing 3-4 would be fine.

you used to have to do 2 to make the enrage timer but it's been nerfed to like 15minutes or something

[Chubbz77]

Cool, cheers. The only other help ive had was "It's optional for a reason" lol

[PBitt]

Getting her down 25% each ground phase is only for the achievement, 'A Quick Shave'. The enrage timer is very generous on this fight.

[Kalkran]

My guild has been doing Ulduar for ~5 weeks now and we have nowhere near the dps for "A Quick Shave" (thus 25% each ground phase). We just dps the boss as hard as we can, having the tank keep the adds and I (a resto druid) announce on ventrilo when I'm going to shoot him down (travel form) so all dps can be ready and in position. We nuke him down only 15% per ground phase and we come out victorious every time.
With worse dps we managed to kill Hodir and Auriaya today (guild firsts) so the dps is probably not going to put any limits on your progress.
Good luck

[Chubbz77]

Thanks guys, i'd been telling everyone we need to get 25% each time and we were all a bit like "wtf?" lol. i'll tell everyone tomorrow so there ain't so much pressure

[Rhinox]

Yeah 4 ground phases max, otherwise you're stressing the hell out of your healers. And make sure the tanks kite her around in a circle and tank switch when fuse armor hits two stacks.

[mercutiouk]

Make sure ur ppl aren't going nuts on the adds, so long as they are dying cooldowns etc can be saved for the ground phases.

Make sure you know when she's coming and call a clear target switch before it happens

Use heroism/bloodlust on the first ground phase, speed pots on the second and you should see decent DPS from your group.

For the fuse armour about 2/3 stacks is good for tank switching.

Try and work on raid DPS, obviously a group of friends playing etc won't match a progress guild but get ppl to read around for how to improve. 3k+ dps per person really shouldn't be too hard with even an ilvl 200/213 (naxx10/25) mix.

[Shawaam]

I kinda reacted to their gear. Heroic, naxx 10 and pvp-gear? Don't you realise that you do not have the gear for the raid?

[Oilie]

Get out the whip and you should be able to do quick shave without any problem. Very doable even in naxx-10 gear unless the people are totally slacking and good luck.

[VeeVee]

A few tips...

- Have your tanks stand between the Harpoons during the end of the ground phase, so that Razorscale breathes fire on any leftover adds. It'll help you tidy up and move into the next air phase smoothly. It doesn't hurt much. (There's also a cumulative achievement for doing this with the Guardians.)

- Split the tall guys (Sentinels, I think) and the rest into seperate camps. Have your ranged focus down the Sentinels whilst your melee AoE down the rest. Having 1 tank pick up everything, whilst the OT taunts the Sentinels and pulls them away is pretty effective. You don't want people dying to a whirlwind+fireball instagib combo.

- Provide a count-down before pulling Razorscale down, so it allows people to get into position and prepare their cooldowns. Don't waste potential DPS time.

- On the first Air Phase, keep everyone out of the big circle. Devouring Flames will only be cast in the circle.

- Similarly, on the second Air Phase, keep everyone in the circle. It'll only be cast outside it, and on the edges of it. This remains true for the remainder of the encounter. (It doesn't alternate)

[Gadirm]

I kinda reacted to their gear. Heroic, naxx 10 and pvp-gear? Don't you realise that you do not have the gear for the raid?

Yet still they managed to down Kologarn and XT, fair enough they arent the hardest of bosses in Ulduar, but if they can manage those i can't see Razorscale being any trouble.

A tip is to pull all remaining adds in front of Razorscale and have a tank just soak the damage from the breath (the breath from Razorscale also damage the adds) while the DPS goes mental on Razorscale. After each groundphase just kill of the adds if they still are breathing, then its back to picking up new adds.
Pop trinkets on the first groundphase and if you have bloodlust use it for the second one, you can with a bit of luck get the quick shave achivement even in naxx10/hc/pvp gear, but rly try to get PvE-gear as PvP-gear lack the itemization for bosskills (missing +hit for example).

[Pheonixis]

I kinda reacted to their gear. Heroic, naxx 10 and pvp-gear? Don't you realise that you do not have the gear for the raid?

The thing is, hmm... Oh yeah, Ulduar 10 is made so you can go there in only naxx 10-gear. It's supposed to be the next step afterwards.

[iglocska]

I kinda reacted to their gear. Heroic, naxx 10 and pvp-gear? Don't you realise that you do not have the gear for the raid?

I wouldn't even attempt UD10 without UD25 gear.

AMIRITE?

[jpwkeeper]

Helloo,

Recently my guild has started back in Ulduar after many troubles of healers and people leaving, we never got very far in the first place, having still only downed FL, XT and Kologarn to this date, but we've tryed Razorscale a few times and ive heard many people saying that you have to get roughly 25% down each ground phase. With some of the dps we have wearing heroic/naxx10/pvp gear i dont see how this is possible for each ground phase with the tanks focussing on adds aswell, Should tanks just pick up the adds and then attack the boss aswell so we can have that extra bit of dps?

Thanks

Yes, have the tank just hold the adds while the DPS goes to town on RZ. We've never tried the trick of dragging them in front, so I can't speak to that, but it sure sounds fun.

Getting her down 25% each ground phase is JUST this side of mathematically impossible for your average Naxx10 geared group. You pretty much either need over-geared DPS or overgeared healers and tanks so you can drop a healer and bring extra DPS along AND you'd not only need Naxx10 gear, you'd need all of the BiS 10 man gear. Most people who get the achievement are in a lot of 25 man gear. So don't stress that.

Also, don't wait to bring her down to the ground. Some people try to get the adds down first, but if you do you run the risk of having another wave come in, and then you're buggered. Bring her down as soon as the harpoons are up.

4 ground phases is fine, and you'll have more than enough time once she's on the ground to finish her off. The one other thing I can tell you, because it bit us the first time, is to have your tank be ready to taunt as soon as she's loose because she remembers threat from the previous ground phases and is going to make a be-line straight to your best DPSer once she's grounded.

Because you have 4 phases, everyone just needs to relax a bit. It's easy to over-react during an add-heavy and hectic fight such as this, and that will lead to a wipe.

[Tomathon]

I'm not sure if you have a solid enough priest to pull of this sort of strategy, but for kicks we single healed this with a disc priest so we could get razor down in one go. Group setup was Ret Paladin, Disc Priest, Prot Paladin, Hunter, Balance Druid, 2 Rogues not sure of specs I wanna say both mutilate or 1 mut 1 combat, Feral Druid, 1 Destro warlock, and 1 elemental shaman. Pop Hero during first grounding and we managed to get it into 2nd phase before she went back up. Also killed her before we had to tank swap.

Also as an afterthought if some of your players are using heroic/pvp gear (depending on the pvp gear the furious stuff is like better than heroic naxx gear) make sure you're still clearing naxx 10/OS/EoE to gear people up.

[deadmau5]

Dont worry too much about dragging adds in front of her. Its only for the achievement "Iron Dwarf, Medium Rare", and only works for guardians I believe. You're better off just killing them standard way.

[Tomathon]

Yeah for sure agreeing with previous posters I've seen good 10 man groups wipe trying to do that.

[Cerus]

To answer one question, yes, even the tanks should DPS Razor.

As for any help you're looking for it would help if you said what the problem was. Hitting enrage? Tanks dying? DPS dying? You should designate one person for the Harpoons, use boss mods so you know for sure when they are ready and time bringing Razor down when you don't have a Sent to burn or a fresh spawn of adds.

As for the gear - the OP didn't say how much of which kind of gear but TBH, no one should have any PvP gear on. Mostly Naxx 10 + a few Heroic epics=Ok. A bit of Naxx 10+PvP+Heroic Blues=not Ok.

[Tomathon]

he says in his first post some of the dps are wearing naxx/heroic/pvp gear.