Did some Pre 3.2 SoC testing along with the Engineering,got some 5ks+ [vid]

[Zeus456]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfXGi...e=channel_page

I've been hearing alot of bad stuff about SoC, being less effective then martyr/blood. It probably is seeing as its constant proc, but you can get some insane combos with Judgment of command 100% crit on stun, and the engineering trinket

Also, i dont feel like looking it up, but what exatcly is the nerf with the Engineering trinket for next patch? Someone tell me if u could.

[Crovax]

Well, the thing is that you need to have your target stunned for good burst. I do that burst with SoB and the target doesn't have to be stunned.

[Mysmere]

you also have to be in full ulduar gear itd seem.

[Anjilo]

"Wtf u dont have SoComm in spec"
"because it's shit"
"wat u use then?"
"Seal of the Martyr"
"But that does damage to u"

./Facepalm

[sah303136]

"Wtf u dont have SoComm in spec"
"because it's shit"
"wat u use then?"
"Seal of the Martyr"
"But that does damage to u"

"but im not a scrub, i use FoL on myself, and i also judge light sometimes"
"wat if they FF you?"
"I use my defensive cool downs or have my partner use then on me/fully hot me if i needed it"
"but you are hurtingyourslf so muchhhhhhhhhhhhhhh"
"its not that much in the grand scheme of things considering you can heal thur it with DS and JoL alone....its worth the extra damage and its consistent"
" NO ZOMG!11!!!! i dont want to change SOC FOREVA!1!!!



fixt

[Azharok]

You stunned a guy who was sitting down ....

/facepalm

[Prentice]

It appears that you got lucky with the stunned crit. The 100% chance to crit a stunned target with Judgment while Seal of Command was active has been removed for 3.2.

[Sesshoumaru]

It appears that you got lucky with the stunned crit. The 100% chance to crit a stunned target with Judgment while Seal of Command was active has been removed for 3.2.

Well then, uh...
what was the point of the vid again plz

[Ronark]

i dnot get the reason they remove guarnteed crit from JoC on stunned targets...
makes me think that SoC=SoR...
you might say, they do different numbers, or that they do scale from diffrenet stats..
but .. thats all...

f.e. thing with SoB was that I could ( with a bit of luck) break few cc's byusing anattack or a JoB
with SoC,we had guarnteed crits onto stunned targets
with SoR... 'twas Holy seal, desgined mostly for holydins
and SoV-twas tanking seal
all I can say... that seals are somehow same now...


homogenization.

SoR cannot crit, SoC can. Thus, in PvP, SoC > SoR in 3.2.

[Aezar@ymail.com]

wont matter

SoV/C is going to be good in 3.2 able to stack on multiple targets at once.
SoC is eh alright in 3.2 for PvP if you seal switch. SoR is megga no no.

with SoV get the new Libram from badges in 3.2 its oobbbeeeerrrrr

[Aezar@ymail.com]

through white hits I am guessing

[spanko]

When I click on this thread a thing pops up in firefox asking me for a username and password, wtf?

[Dobioh]

its because "Agathon" has uploaded his avatar to a password protected webserver.. fail..

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When I click on this thread a thing pops up in firefox asking me for a username and password, wtf?

Same for me. Only on Page 1 though.

funny enough, dk's got necrosis, which already gives em additional +20% weapondamage as unholy.
did any1 say *homogenisation* ?

I'm sick of seeing this pop up all the time. Necrosis got changed a while back so it's not effected by any +%Damage, not even Blood Presence. It's 20% of a white hit, thats all. It's nowhere near as good as SoB. It does about 4-5% of our total damage, SoB does what, 20-25% of a Ret Paladin's?

[Dobioh]

I'm sick of seeing this pop up all the time. Necrosis got changed a while back so it's not effected by any +%Damage, not even Blood Presence. It's 20% of a white hit, thats all. It's nowhere near as good as SoB. It does about 4-5% of our total damage, SoB does what, 20-25% of a Ret Paladin's?

does necrosis hurt you?
does necrosis hurt you even through buble?
now if you turn your logic on, you will notice the fact that SoB is a core dps part for paladin, WHEN, DK's got almost the same thing as a BASELINE, though not so powerful.

Its just not true. Even as a blood dk (which got much higher white hits) it only does 8-10% of my total damage. It only affects WHITE HITS, which occur every.. 3.5 seconds, while SoB affected all. Besides that this thread is about SoC, not Necrosis.

[Deleted]

does necrosis hurt you?
does necrosis hurt you even through buble?
now if you turn your logic on, you will notice the fact that SoB is a core dps part for paladin, WHEN, DK's got almost the same thing as a BASELINE, though not so powerful.

SoB scales with +%Damage, such as Vengeance, Sanctified Retribution, Crusade, etc. Necrosis does not. Also, Necrosis is 5 Talent Points, SoB is a trainable skill. Finally, about the self damage, it's being replaced by SoC/SoV next patch, which doesn't do any damage to you at all, and has a dot. Go on, compare them.

[Deleted]

get over it, i didnt focus your attention towards sob nor necrosis
btw, raid buffd, you whitehit every ~2.5 secs
aand, if you didnt mention, we were arguing bout comparing soc to sor

You focused everyone's attention towards it, you even phrased it in a question. You got your answer.

Enough of that, Paladin stuff, yeah, Seal of Command, PvP.

[iktankniet]

for the time being i've deleted the post to prevent the pop up.

[Ronark]

we dont care, will seal proc crit or not, its still terrybad that SoC isnothing more than an addition to autoattack in shape of +33% weapon damage
funny enough, dk's got necrosis, which already gives em additional +20% weapondamage as unholy.
did any1 say *homogenisation* ?

A lack of crits will make it hard to keep up Vengeance and to have AoW procs when you need them.

[Ronark]

A AoW doesnt care bout your seal hit crits.
is it sooo damn hard to maintain Vengeance stack?)
cmoon)

Currently on the PTR yes : /