Focus Magic; Do we benefit from it most?

[Koffie]

Its depending on the fight:
On a hardmode with lots of healing going around a paladin will love you for it unless there is a realy needed timed event. On a normall fight where healing not that needed a firemage can get his procs going bigtime with his pyro. A boomkin is also very good for this proc. Choice what you want and its all depending on current gearlevel. If every1 is already high on crit etc. its not that a problem who gets it.

[jantimirlol]

How exactly do you come up with 6%?

3% from mage, 3% from the proc

In my guild we usually have a rotation for it

ex: mage 1 -> mage 2 -> mage 3 or mage 1 <-> mage2 ect

btw hi djinnie ^^

[Findecano]

moonkins are 2nd to other firemages.

Why?

nature's grace
eclipse
100% crit dmg.

[Swizzle]

crit rating value in terms of highest spellpower/DPS gain: FFB mage-->TtW/fire mage-->boomkin-->spriest-->elem shammy/destro lock (tie, since both have guaranteed crits)

why is this thread still going?

[Porthos]

FFB > FB/TTW > Shadow = Moonkin

last time i checked

Why do you say Frostfireball benefits more from Focus Magic then Fireball/TTW?
Fireball deals more dmg then frostfireball.

Fireball SP coefficient is 1,15 (improved)

Frostfireball SP coefficient is 1,071 (improved)

i think i am correct if i say that a fireball/ttw mage benefits more then a frostfireball mage , and i think you also realize this when you have read this post.

[Gerixx]

Why do you say Frostfireball benefits more from Focus Magic then Fireball/TTW?
Fireball deals more dmg then frostfireball.

Fireball SP coefficient is 1,15 (improved)

Frostfireball SP coefficient is 1,071 (improved)

i think i am correct if i say that a fireball/ttw mage benefits more then a frostfireball mage , and i think you also realize this when you have read this post.

FrostFireBOLT spec gets a lot more bonus damage from getting a critical strike than Fire and in fact a dual specced FFB mage whose offspec contains Focus Magic will out DPS or equal a Fire/TtW spec'd mage in similar gear

Edit: At least it used to be that way, if memory serves they made buffs disappear if you change specs

[Swizzle]

Why do you say Frostfireball benefits more from Focus Magic then Fireball/TTW?
Fireball deals more dmg then frostfireball.

Fireball SP coefficient is 1,15 (improved)

Frostfireball SP coefficient is 1,071 (improved)

i think i am correct if i say that a fireball/ttw mage benefits more then a frostfireball mage , and i think you also realize this when you have read this post.

and yet, frostfire bolt has a 50% AND a 100% crit damage modifier outside of ignite. TtW/fire only has a 50% crit damage modifier outside of ignite.

YOU SEE WHAT I DID THUR?

[Endolicious]

and yet, frostfire bolt has a 50% AND a 100% crit damage modifier outside of ignite. TtW/fire only has a 50% crit damage modifier outside of ignite.

YOU SEE WHAT I DID THUR?

WUZ IT DA OBVIOUS?????

[Raging_Sage]

The entire FM debate always hinges on what you value the most: your personal DPS, the DPS of all of the Mages in the raid, the overall raid DPS, or overall benefit to the raid. In 25-mans, our mages usually circle-jerk FM and keep it to ourselves, except in very specific circumstances. We know that doing it that way isn't always the absolute best for the entire raid. But Mages do have 2 of the top 3 specs that benefit the most from the buff, so it's never really bad to do it that way either.

From EJ, I always see this priority list, for which recipients benefit the most from Focus Magic, from a DPS point of view:

FFB Mage > SPriest >= FB Mage >= Chaos Warlock = (Wrath Druid) >> ToW Shaman > Starfire Druid >> Haunt Warlock >= Arcane Mage = Metamorph Warlock >>> Frost Mage.

But sometimes amongst us Mages, we use the "if you can't provide it you don't get it" rule. So if 2 of us are Fire/TTW on a fight, and 1 of us is FFB, the 2 Fire Mages will just trade - even though FFB gets slightly more benefit from FM. There are a few spots where the norms go out the window, like on Flame Leviathan + Towers. On that fight, I am one of the people thrown up onto FL. I get another Mage who drives a vehicle to FM me beforehand, but I FM someone who's getting thrown up onto FL at the same time I am. (We alternate who gets launched up to trigger each Overload phase.) There'd be no benefit if I FM someone who's in a vehicle, or if I'm in a vehicle when my FM recipient crits up on top of the boss. Plus, there are even times where I do FM a healer, like a Holy Paladin. But that's usually in 10-mans or 5-mans when there's not a suitable DPS'er, or I'm in some crappy PUG and all I care about is how often my recipient procs the buff for me.

But if you want to discuss the nuances for 10 more pages, or get into all of the math behind the priority list, then go read Elitist Jerks. Ha.

[nekobaka]

giving it to an elemental shaman is a waste since they crit every 8 seconds anyway
destro locks have a 100% chance to crit whenever their imp crits, so it may be useful to put it on the imp and not them (joking), so locks don't really need FM that much.

as for warlock thats not on live realms, thats PTR 3.2 which makes your point seem like a way to say classes dont use crit because talents let them crit. just because ele shammys will always crit on thier lava burst doesnt mean they dont make use of crit. like omg a shadow priest may get more mana with more crit, what if they had plenty of mana left over at the end of the fight, wouldnt that be a waste then based on that form of thought?
dont just value a classes use of crit based on procs and talents. look at how much dps increase from the stat.
as its said try keep the mage circle jerk going and then go based part on classes for their up time of FM, benifit from the crit and how reliable they at keeping them self alive(gasp making a decision based on a player and not a class).

[kinky31]

mages need crit more than any other class, if u dont do crits in a row u stay behind in dps, moonkin's eclipse has 30sec cd im sure they use it everytime.
sure it matters where u give fm but care less for the uptime...all dpsers do at least 1 crit in 8 seconds
but generally pick fellow mages and trade with them, u cant be the only mage ...or...?

[HellBurn]

How exactly do you come up with 6%?

3% from your mate mage FM. 3% from your mate mage doing a crit.

[Sauveur]

A Holy Paladin

This^^

Especially if they are already rocking 40%+ crit*(I think ours has 45% without it) and most especially if its a wtf tank heals fight. Vezax hard, Steelbreaker, etc. You cant beat constant massive pally crits on your raped tank