At what point does Command become better than Righteousness?

[Adamson]

zomg rIcHie

[greatrichie]

hai

[Shakari]

Taken from Elitist Jerks - Retribution: 3.2:
"Expertise
Introduced in late BC, this stat allows us to remove dodges from the attack table - you cannot remove parries from the table, but you only get parried from the front, so don't attack bosses from the front! 8.2 rating gives 1 expertise; you need 214 expertise rating (26 expertise, 6.5%) to reach the cap. If you are a human using a sword/mace you need 23 expertise (189 rating), and if you are a dwarf using a mace you need 21 expertise (173 rating) to reach the cap due to racials."

Shall we start arguing now ?

LOL quite amusing yes lets argue .... yes that is right ..... but if it says 23 exp on his char sheet thats INCLUDING the racial bonus .... thus einstein.... he must be getting 20 from gear and 3 from the racial ....

the racial is included in the vale on the char sheet. its not omitted or left out for you to add later lol

so please try and have a vague clue before quoting and misiterperating facts eh

[Bluerelic]

Right now Seal of Righteousness is broken anyway, when you judge an opponent it applies to seal procs, so if the numbers EJ is using are based on dps over time and not simulations of the damage we should be doing, SoR will get passed by SoC much sooner....

[Snowulf]

Racial bonus is not displayed on the character tab. And, as I recall, talents are not either.

lolol
could have SWORN I saw little green numbers next to my weapon damage saying
"####-#### x1##%" as a warrior tank with +10% dmg to onehanded attacks talent

[meag333]

Right now Seal of Righteousness is broken anyway, when you judge an opponent it applies to seal procs, so if the numbers EJ is using are based on dps over time and not simulations of the damage we should be doing, SoR will get passed by SoC much sooner....

This post didnt really make sense. Edit please...

[Ronark]

Right now Seal of Righteousness is broken anyway, when you judge an opponent it applies to seal procs, so if the numbers EJ is using are based on dps over time and not simulations of the damage we should be doing, SoR will get passed by SoC much sooner....

Removing one additional seal proc every 8 seconds from SoR won't make SoC superior.

[Rhonen]

i use command over SoR. I feel the seal crits outway the judgment difference.

Aslo, 23!=26 so he isnt capped. Also, Drop con and get exo glyph. I have zero mana issues judging wisdom.

What you "feel" doesn't hold a cup of water to the actual results.

[Nikoll]

at some point in this thread i think i said i use comm over sor. i was unaware of how bugged sor was at the time.

[Eternityrolls]

Noob question inc:

Sorry, but i really cant understand how SoR can be better than SoC?

still my Paladin is only lvl 49, but the spell tooltip says that SoR deals 45holy dmg on every swing, in addition to Soc wich deals 30% wep dmg, wich is ALOT more. please explain. ^^

[Eternityrolls]

1st off, SoR tooltip lies.
2nd, SoR does not suffer from avoidance.
3rd- at such a level of yours , it makes no difference.

Sorry, still cant see how less dmg on every swing can be superior. but hey, im not a fulltime pally ^^

[Eternityrolls]

okay okay nvm if i aint lvl 80.

But then at lvl 80, what does SoR SO much better?

[Ascal]

glyph of SoR

whaaaaaaaaat?

[Eternityrolls]

seals of the pure, holy talent, +15% increase in seal and judgement damage
glyph of SoR
gear scaling instead of weapon scaling, like SoC does ( sp/ap <->weapondamage)
*probably bugged* judgement->sealproc thingie.
unavoidable seal procs
higher criticals from judgement
only downside in SoR is that sealproc cant crit.

ooh, okay, i didnt know that SoR scaled with gear and SoC ONLY scales with Wep. ty for the info!

[Ascal]

http://www.wowhead.com/?item=43868
prolly this one

i know which one :>

but you don't glyph SoR

[Nikoll]

that and getting 2 seal procs on your judgment is a but broken.

[Blackside]

Here's a quick guide to roughy estimate your SoR damage:

Tooltip Damage * Talent damage boosts * Glyph of SoR * T8 Prot 2pc Set Bonus

so it's like

Tooltip Damage * 1.06 * 1.03 * 1.15 * 1.1 * 1.1 * 1.09 * 1.2 * 1.3

Tooltip Damage * 1.52 is passive damage increase
Tooltip Damage * 1.66 if you add Vengeance 3 stacks
Tooltip Damage * 1.82 if you use Avenging Wrath
Tooltip Damage * 1.99 if you use Avenging Wrath while Vengeance stacked to 3
Tooltip Damage * 2.58 if you add Warsong berserking

1.06 = Crusade
1.03 = Sanctified Retribution
1.15 = Seals of the Pure
1.10 = Glyph of SoR
1.10 = T8 Prot 2pc Set Bonus
1.09 = Vengeance (Situational)
1.20 = Avenging Wrath (On-demand Situational)
1.30 = Warsong Berserking (Situational, added for the lols)

So SoR and JoR actually does a LOT more damage than the tooltip states. Because tooltip takes its values from your AP, SP, Base Wep speed. Since these modifiers don't change any of these at all, tooltip won't reflect the change from the damage talents. Hope this helps.

[Glorian]

OK this is what I've discovered, SoR is great for single target short fights, but is absolute trash when it comes to multiple/aoe fights.

Most of this testing is done on a target dummy and is a completely unrealistic encounter. When are you going to be attacking a boss by yourself for 5 minutes with aboslutely no raid/party buffs?

After fully raid buffed i can almost pick up an additional 10% crit, which scales way better with SoC and SoV, SoC absolutely demolishes SoR in a fight with even one more mob.

SoC just has had a bad reputation and there are people who are refusing to use this seal at all costs. Let go run a heroic together, i'll used command on trash and you use righteousness and we'll see who comes out on top.

So to answer the question, Seal of Command becomes better than righteousness on all other situations except for short single target fights.

[DaGhostDS]

OK this is what I've discovered, SoR is great for single target short fights, but is absolute trash when it comes to multiple/aoe fights.

numbers says no
and single target = SoV with one hand tapped in the back

[jangkun]

i didnt even speced with command. :