is AD only for the hit that brings you below 35%?

[Deleted]

currently, ardent defender is one of the best CD's there is. but i find that the wording of the talent is a bit unclear myself:

Damage that takes you below 35% health is reduced by 30%.

does this mean only the damage that takes you below 35% is reduced, and the next hit is not? or does it mean that all damage taken below 35% is reduced?

if you take a hit that reduces you to 34%, for instance, is the next hit also mitigated? or is it not reduced?

[arel00]

currently, ardent defender is one of the best CD's there is. but i find that the wording of the talent is a bit unclear myself:

does this mean only the damage that takes you below 35% is reduced, and the next hit is not? or does it mean that all damage taken below 35% is reduced?

if you take a hit that reduces you to 34%, for instance, is the next hit also mitigated? or is it not reduced?

No, it's an addition to the old functionality. If you are at, say, 25% health , and you get hit, the damage is still going to be reduced.

I other words, it reduces by 30% ALL the damage you take below 35% life, AND whatever hit causes you to go under 35%. In the second case, the hit that takes you below, only the portion of hit that is under 35% will be reduced.

We can rephrase is further, the correct wording would be: "if after receiving an hit, your total health is a number between 0 and 35%, whatever the starting health may be, that hit is gonna be reduced by 30%". Still remember, onyl the portion under 35%.

[Whoopzz]

To simplify, say you have 30k hp total (35% of that is 10.5k). If you are sitting at 14k HP, and take a hit for 5k, you take full damage until you reach the 35% level, so 3.5k goes unmitigated by AD. The remaining 1.5k is reduced by 30%, which works out to be 450 total reduction. Therefore, the total hit would be 4450, reducing you to 9550. Everything after that point is reduced by 30% until you get above 35%.

[Evereghalo]

Simply put:

Anytime you are at or below 35% health, all damage taken is reduced by 30%.

And if you would have died you come back to health at 30%.

[grymgroeth]

Simply put:

Anytime you are at or below 35% health, all damage taken is reduced by 30%.

And if you would have died you come back to health at up to 30% based on your defense.

Wouldn't want people getting the wrong idea about this for PVP use now would we.

[Lightstrike]

I believe once the GS type proc that returns you to 30% health is used up, you no longer get the damage reduction. I could be wrong on this though.

[grymgroeth]

If you are at or under 35% health you get the damage reduction whether you've got the 2m save debuff or not.

[Dedweight]

I believe once the GS type proc that returns you to 30% health is used up, you no longer get the damage reduction. I could be wrong on this though.

It still reduces the damage, you just won't get the healing portion of the talent until the debuff's duration is finished.

[Deleted]

I can't see how it's so difficult to understand, and where all these conspiracy theories on how it works are coming from. Did loads reroll prot in 3.2? :-\

i can understand that it might seem like i am a prot reroller. rest assured, i have been prot since level 10 (apart from 55-71), and i understand the mechanics of protection paladin well enough.

it used to be worded "all damage taken while below 35% is reduced by 30%". now it is worded "damage that would take you below 35% is reduced by 30%". also, we got reports from the PTR that the reduction is not in effect while AD is cooling down.

[Accuser.]

It's kind of ambiguous language Chronalis, for people who havent heard about it. The fact that it says "damage that takes you below 35%" SOUNDS like it MIGHT exclude damage, say, at 25%, which obviously ISNT taking you below 35% since you already are below 35%.

That said, Bliz specifically said they were increasing the previous functionality of the ability, which DID reduce all damage taken while below 35%, and including with that any hit which WOULD take you below 35%.

[Ronark]

It's kind of ambiguous language Chronalis, for people who havent heard about it. The fact that it says "damage that takes you below 35%" SOUNDS like it MIGHT exclude damage, say, at 25%, which obviously ISNT taking you below 35% since you already are below 35%.

That said, Bliz specifically said they were increasing the previous functionality of the ability, which DID reduce all damage taken while below 35%, and including with that any hit which WOULD take you below 35%.

Never trust Blizzard's tooltip wording.... or else they might make a simple bug to your JotW a live nerf >_>

[Dalien]

I've been Prot since 2005 and the tooltip made me do a double take too. It is worded like the only hit that gets its damage reduced is the one that takes you below 35%. Made me wonder why they'd changed the old functionality.

Cool thing you can do now though... go into a lowbie instance, gather a few dozen mobs, and then let them beat on you until you die. So you pop back at 30%, and it takes them longer than 2 minutes to kill you again, so you never die

I left my pally in the stockade being beat on for a good 30-40 mins while I had dinner, and he was still perfectly alive (with broken gear... doh!) when I returned.

I'M UNKILLABLE NOW! MUAHAHAHAHA!

ahem....

[underdogba]

The easiest way to understand the change is to recognize the 2 distinct problems that the new AD solves.

1. Leapfrogging - if a boss is capable of delivering a hit larger than 35% of your total health (which is very common in progression situations), then a single HoT tick was capable of killing you under the old AD if the stars aligned the wrong way.

2. Lack of tanking CD's - paladins did not have enough tools to survive large but predictable spike damage, which made them a complete non-starter for tanking hardmodes in general compared to DK's.