Ele Totem = Good for Enh, Bad for Ele?

[ramsesakama]

So apparently the enhancement totem (steady 200 AP) is under budget when compared to similar relics for other classes (200 agi/str, for example) and as a result, the *elemental* totem (200 haste) is better for enhancement than the enhancement totem is.

http://www.wowhead.com/?item=47666
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=47667

The incredible irony of this, is that the elemental totem may actually be bad for elemental Shaman. The extra 200 haste is not nearly enough to add a 6th lightning bolt to the rotation (requires 1400+ haste) and, at best, can be used to simply smooth the 5 LB rotation a bit and compensate for time lost while moving or doing other things. It may, situationally, provide better dps than Totem of Hex, but it is hardly obvious how or why this would be the case in general.

When will Blizzard learn from experience (TotPE, TotEP etc.) that their intuition about Shaman relics is inherently flawed? I don't have *any hope* that this will be fixed before 3.3, if at all. It's bad enough that this totem is so terribly flawed, but it was the only non-tier badge item that elemental shaman could have equipped anyway. Double burn.

If you're wondering whether Totem of Hex will last forever, it will maybe (??) be surpassed by Thunderfall Totem once you get the T9 set bonus:

http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45255

[Fenrir The Phantom]

yeah our totem itemization is screwed up i wish they would make a totem that effects maelstrom weapon or feral spirit and just flat increases spell power by x amount after using lava burst or when you use lava burst it puts a dot on the target equal to 50% or so of the damage done by the lava burst

[wannakill]

And in case you're wondering whether Totem of Hex will last forever, it will probably be surpassed by Thunderfall Totem once you get the T9 set bonus:

http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45255

Why do you think that.
LvB is 15-20 % of our DPS.
LB/CL = 60-65% of our DPS.

Simple math says that 15-20% of 215 is less then 60-65 % of 175

[Zerox27x]

Thunderfall totem is gonna be useless forever, unless some how LvB becomes spammable like LB

[Airvio]

It is quite sad that they still havent made out totem itemization good at all. Maybe if they thought of something new like When you use feral spirit your wolves gain 10% more of your ap for 15secs. or When you use lava lash you have a chance to gain 20% amor penetration for 6secs. Or just something new to make it interesting.

[Deleted]

It is quite sad that they still havent made out totem itemization good at all. Maybe if they thought of something new like When you use feral spirit your wolves gain 10% more of your ap for 15secs. or When you use lava lash you have a chance to gain 20% amor penetration for 6secs. Or just something new to make it interesting.

Would make it more fun =[
Same with our very boring set bonuses this patch.
Hoping 3.3 will bring some cool totems and set bonuses, not just 5% crit on *insert ability here*

[Deleted]

This deserves a sticky...

[kassy]

only thing 4set tier 9 will do for your lava burst is make you change your glyphs, thunderfall totem is still pure fail. as for EL vs Hex,200 haste >>> 165 spell power, not to forget it's 200 haste on all spells vs spell power on 2 of our spells. as for people going on about "haste cap this, haste cap that, don't stack haste unless you get a full extra cast in", l2p. haste doesn't only affect cast time on your lightning bolt you know, all spells and global cooldown buddy. EL will outperform hex in any fight imo.

[Erasure]

Who cares really, totem itemization has been screwed way up where the sun doesn't shine through all of wotlk.

[kassy]

Who cares really, totem itemization has been screwed way up where the sun doesn't shine through all of wotlk.

liessss hex was pure sex <3

[Uggrukor]

Once you get the T9 4pc you can go as follows:

Thunderfall Totem

&

Switch out ToW Glyph for Glyph of Lava.

Should superbly improve DPS.

[ramsesakama]

EL will outperform hex in any fight imo.

Prove it.

[kassy]

Prove it.

follow this thread from here the coming week and you'll get all the proof you need http://elitistjerks.com/f79/t57116-e...6/#post1346614

[Khyroo]

It is quite sad that they still havent made out totem itemization good at all. Maybe if they thought of something new like When you use feral spirit your wolves gain 10% more of your ap for 15secs. or When you use lava lash you have a chance to gain 20% amor penetration for 6secs. Or just something new to make it interesting.

Im still sitting here waiting for the totem that will help me buff the raid abit extra. maybe effecting UR or the WF totem in some way. its silly but i liked the "old" -the shammys r here to buff the raid in a uniqe way.


basicly im very bored atm

/Khyro

[Deleted]

Once you get the T9 4pc you can go as follows:

Thunderfall Totem

&

Switch out ToW Glyph for Glyph of Lava.

Should superbly improve DPS.

No.
Glyph of Lava is only slightly better than ToW. (at least with 4pc and ~3.2k SP)
And the 215 damage on LvB will result in ~666.274 extra damage on every LvB, resulting in max 74 DPS.
You wanna know how I got to that? Well, here it comes:
Thunderfall Totem only increases the Base Damage, not the Spell Power.
So it isn't affected by Shamanism or Glyph of Lava or anything.
Now we have 215 Base Damage...
Multiply that with 1.05 (concussion), 1.06 (Call of Flame), 1.1 (Elemental Oath/Focus), 1.13 (Curse of Elements) and 2.24 (Lava Flows).
So.. it ain't that good at all.

BUT it would be great for PvP.. maybe even 3on3/5on5.
Just take 4 T9-items (20% more damage on LvB), Thunderfall Totem and Glyph of Lava. Huuuuuuuuge Crits incoming! (Combine that with a destro lock or something and you can nearly "oneshot" your opponents)

[Yohassakura]

ToEW - 70% proc rate. 6 Seconds ICD. BiS totem/relic (http://elitistjerks.com/f79/t57116-e...6/#post1346614) for reference.

[Snuggle]

http://wowwebstats.com/qptjkxhi4rwr1...01779d67#buffs

92% uptime as enhancement, custom split for Steelbreaker only but still amazingly good!

Edit: "Energized" would be the buff.