Grim Toll and Mjolnir's Runestone

[BrontoÐ]

After the patch I noticed that they had buffed the armor pen buff on Mjolnir's Runestone. So I went to my bank and picked up my good old Grim Toll and did some tests.

As far as I can see it seems that these two trinkets once again stack with eachother, can anyone else confirm this?

[Stybba]

They always stacked. The problem with using both is that they put you over the ArPen-Cap, which results in a dmg loss.

[panda911]

They stack up to the point which gives you 100% armor penetration, but normally they would give you 120% armor penetration. The extra 20% is dropped and wasted as an unused stat. This being said, using Mjolnir's and another trinket is far superior.

[sulfuric]

I can't remember a time when they didn't stack

[moguri]

They stack up to the point which gives you 100% armor penetration, but normally they would give you 120% armor penetration. The extra 20% is dropped and wasted as an unused stat. This being said, using Mjolnir's and another trinket is far superior.

Grim Toll proc is 49.72% ArP
Runestone proc is 54.02% ArP

So if you had 0 ArP from talents and gear, only 3.74% would be wasted.

That being said, there is a 45 second internal CD once the item has been equipped (patch 3.2) so you can stagger these two trinkets by equipping one right before the engagement point. That way, they should be triggered at different times and you'll get the full benefit of both.

[BrontoÐ]

meh... Those two > Mjolnir's Runestone & Bandit's Insignia amiright?

[Muffinator]

As far as I can remember too, ArP on targets now will not exceed a certain point. Full 100% arp is not possible on a boss mob anymore, since they capped the amount arp can reduce to like 7900 out of lvl80 boss 13000+/-.

Hazy as I just woke up, but it's there.

[failrogue]

I roll with both since they are the only trinkets i have ever gotten. And when they both proc at the same time i end up wasting 15% ArP. However, it is still rather good, and they are better together *in my opinion* than bandit's insignia + ArP trinket. I just use my Bandit's Insignia for PvP.

[NonMagical]

As far as I can remember too, ArP on targets now will not exceed a certain point. Full 100% arp is not possible on a boss mob anymore, since they capped the amount arp can reduce to like 7900 out of lvl80 boss 13000+/-.

Hazy as I just woke up, but it's there.

The cap for us is still 100% ArP. 100% is still better than 98%. What you are thinking of though is true that we can not take a warrior class bosses effective armor down to 0.

[tlitd]

effective_armor=f(base_armor=10643,arp=1) varies from 0 to floor((2*base_armor-C)/3)=2017