Pally power

[Ronark]

i was referring to the statement Chronalis quoted, not Chronalis response :

Ahh yes, it didnt make sense to use PP to help heal

[seraphos]

You get more utility and MT healing potential through DS/G, and with the nerf to Illumination, the +crit from Ret isn't as good as it was.

Really its a personal choice. Not everyone has to be a cookie cutter spec. DG is good, for raid utility, but the crit talents are still decent and provide higher maximum throughput.

[blu]

explain to me why this is bad

as wuts his name said u get more utiltie also since ur gonna b spaming FoL more now that 8% crit aint gonna match the 50% crit chance on FoL to a target w/ SS proc'd plus ur SS will last twice as long and mitigate twice as much when the shit rly hits the fan u can pop Divine shield w/ divine sacrifice to mitigate 40% dmg from every 1 around you plus u get 5% more to healing from divinity

Really its a personal choice. Not everyone has to be a cookie cutter spec. DG is good, for raid utility, but the crit talents are still decent and provide higher maximum throughput.

the DG outheals the conviction (read above) also yes the spec w/ conviction is still ok since it still holds the same playstyle u just aint gonna be any wheres close as useful as the pally w/ DG or as good ~.^

[darthceltic]

as wuts his name said u get more utiltie also since ur gonna b spaming FoL more now that 8% crit aint gonna match the 50% crit chance on FoL to a target w/ SS proc'd plus ur SS will last twice as long and mitigate twice as much when the shit rly hits the fan u can pop Divine shield w/ divine sacrifice to mitigate 40% dmg from every 1 around you plus u get 5% more to healing from divinity
the DG outheals the conviction (read above) also yes the spec w/ conviction is still ok since it still holds the same playstyle u just aint gonna be any wheres close as useful as the pally w/ DG or as good ~.^

u do not know what u are talking about. get facts first son. try the program rawr. u can adjust it to your healing style, and it will then show u what talents do what for longevity, and burst healing.

51-5-15 is way ahead of 51-20. 51-20 was popular because it would keep ticking if bubbled, it is now fixed to only absorb 150% of your health. so, where do u get 40% damage? even in a 10 man it's not that much. used to absorb a crap ton, not anymore with a 5min cooldown u wont use it more then 1 time a fight. so instant 35k heal over raid 1 time a fight, or 5% more crit over whole fight. with the extra heals from crit, and mana regen for more spell cast, 5% crit wins.

the extra absorb in ss is nice, but again rawr will show u overall what that value is in a boss fight.

before guys spammed hl because they could, and they were bad and it made them look good. now, spamming hl means mega effective healing and mega help to raid. if u think i'm wrong, come back and talk in 2-3 weeks when everyone catches on again.

sorry for the thread highjack, again to recap, u r bad for raids if u don't ahve ppower.

[Ronark]

u do not know what u are talking about. get facts first son. try the program rawr. u can adjust it to your healing style, and it will then show u what talents do what for longevity, and burst healing.

51-5-15 is way ahead of 51-20. 51-20 was popular because it would keep ticking if bubbled, it is now fixed to only absorb 150% of your health. so, where do u get 40% damage? even in a 10 man it's not that much. used to absorb a crap ton, not anymore with a 5min cooldown u wont use it more then 1 time a fight. so instant 35k heal over raid 1 time a fight, or 5% more crit over whole fight. with the extra heals from crit, and mana regen for more spell cast, 5% crit wins.

the extra absorb in ss is nice, but again rawr will show u overall what that value is in a boss fight.

before guys spammed hl because they could, and they were bad and it made them look good. now, spamming hl means mega effective healing and mega help to raid. if u think i'm wrong, come back and talk in 2-3 weeks when everyone catches on again.

sorry for the thread highjack, again to recap, u r bad for raids if u don't ahve ppower.

I lol'd at that part.

[Jackinthegreen]

Pallypower is useful, but all it really takes is looking at whoever is in raid and blessing accordingly. I'm the first to start buffing, I hand out assignments, and I -don't- use PP.

Reagents are cheap, and I always refresh the blessing before every boss, or every other boss if things are going well. Honestly people, just pay attention to what you and others have and need. It's not hard with PP, and it's not hard without it. Quit your whining about buffs and just do them, and once you learn that you'll miraculously notice everyone in raid will have the appropriate buff.

Oh, and you know what really grinds my gears? People who say "U ned pallypwer cuz it's makes buffs easy." Last I checked, buffing was never hard to begin with. If people would listen or read what should be put out and actually do it, there wouldn't be any problems. Whether that's in raid channel, over Vent, or over PP, it doesn't matter so long as it's done and you don't spend hours doing it.

For those holy folk who debate 51/x/x, figure out what you need and go with it. Need a bit more throughput and mana regen? Take the crit in Ret, because it's still useful. Need the shield wall (however buggy it is) and 1 minute SS? Go prot. It's all a matter of preference really.

And to the warrior who said (s)he was prot and doing 2k dps... Why on earth are you doing DPS as prot in the first place, when you're clearly in the tanking tree? No wonder you're doing lousy damage.

[Fcpremix]

"I'll do Might"
"I got Wis"
"I'll do Kings"

[Boobies]

"I'll do Might"
"I got Wis"
"I'll do Kings"

Exactly, even before WOTLK, it wasn't too hard to organize other pallies to use X blessings.

[Haaizor]

5/5 SotP and no Conviction or Crusade is fail mate.

t8.5 4 set bonuz + Divine Guardian owns that 8% crit especially after 3.2

[Tdakara]

My guild/raid leader makes this issue very simple for people.

Paladin without pallypower?

No raids for you, end of story.

YOU may not feel that YOU need pally power, and you may be correct but the confusion caused by having to mix 30 and 10 minute buffs wastes other peoples time which is never good.

[Boobies]

My guild/raid leader makes this issue very simple for people.

Paladin without pallypower?

No raids for you, end of story.

YOU may not feel that YOU need pally power, and you may be correct but the confusion caused by having to mix 30 and 10 minute buffs wastes other peoples time which is never good.

pally 1 = kings raid

pally 2 = imp might raid (if only two paladins, then wis as needed, this really only gets complicated if there's multiple hybrids with varying specs, but even then you should really only have to worry about refreshing ten min buffs before a boss is pulled)

pally 3 = imp wis

So very confusing to manage THREE BUFFS, two of which only go on specific classes. Maybe in TBC when you still had to buff light it would of been a handy mod to have, though even then it wasn't too much trouble (assuming no A.D.Dadins were in charge of anything other than kings)

[Unionoob]

pally 1 = kings raid

pally 2 = imp might raid (if only two paladins, then wis as needed, this really only gets complicated if there's multiple hybrids with varying specs, but even then you should really only have to worry about refreshing ten min buffs before a boss is pulled)

pally 3 = imp wis

So very confusing to manage THREE BUFFS, two of which only go on specific classes. Maybe in TBC when you still had to buff light it would of been a handy mod to have, though even then it wasn't too much trouble (assuming no A.D.Dadins were in charge of anything other than kings)

just tell me what game you play.. so far 99.99% Paladins which doesn't have PallyPower doesn't but at all or it takes them about 10 mins to buff 1 buff... and even then they refuse tu buff.

[sk83r]

simply this is a thread started just for any new pallies that want to know how not to piss off other players.



Get pally power.

have it installed

have it running

thanks

^this

so many paladins dont have this QQ
guy once told me: "hey wtf i dont need an addon to buff!" ???

[Pacer]

Not only should every paladin in the game have this addon. Every player should have it.
Even tho your not a paladin you can still see who is buffing what and it saves you from;
1. /w the wrong paladin that you miss his buff
2. Piss all paladins off because you keep bugging them about your missing BoK in raid chat

[Synthaxx]

I can see this's heading nowhere, so gonna have to put a dampner on the little "party" you've got going here. It's gone from opinion, to something else, and i feel the next turn it'll take will be one that's pure flamefest material. Call it pre-emptive locking.