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  1. #1201

    Re: World of Warcraft - Cataclysm

    Quote Originally Posted by gilfanon
    They don't have to 'redesign everything', Kalimdor is already a separate instance server, they just effectively design a new continent called Kalimdor that's broken into pieces (much like what happened to the original Azeroth, or Outland) and phase it so that everyone over level 80 (or 70, or 60) sees the new continent, and everyone under that level sees the old one.
    OR put the "new" crashed Kalimdor on ANOTHER server - when ever anybody teleports or sails to Kalimdor, the game decides which server it tosses them into - pre or post cataclysm (yeah sorry, you can't kill lowbies that way
    I wanna go back to my trainer and learn a new spell in the next expansion! And we all need to be able to fly from day 1 ! (And fly over the Exodar and Silvermoon on our own mounts!)

  2. #1202

    Re: World of Warcraft - Cataclysm

    As an old school wow player (04), i am very happy with these changes and Im looking foward to this xpac than i did the last two.

  3. #1203

    Re: World of Warcraft - Cataclysm

    this smells strongly of a graphics engine upgrade .. courtesy sc2 i'd guess

  4. #1204

    Re: World of Warcraft - Cataclysm

    i think the whole world will be changed for everyone (every lvl) with xpac ...why then this??

    # The Barrens will be split into two separate zones of two different level bands.
    # Azshara will become a low level (~10-20) zone.

    etc

    it maybe will be only for those with xpac

  5. #1205

    Re: World of Warcraft - Cataclysm

    A lot of this interests me, but two things cause problems for me.

    1 - Thrall not leading the horde would suck. After the wrathgate, I found it funny that the humans (typically seen as the good guys) were the ones who wanted war while the orcs (particularly Thrall) was acting more sensibly.

    2 - A lot of those class changes (while they may make sense in some obscure little lore ways) would make many of the races too similar.

    I'm all for the added lore in the whole Cataclysm thing if they do it in a good way. A way that would make perfect sense would be to have two separate versions of Azeroth (pre-Cataclysm and post-Cataclysm) which have a trigger quest chain to advance you through them. BUT, because people like the old world stuff they could possibly use the Caverns of Time or something related as a portal between the two versions.

    Edit: In contrast to my first complaint, that could be the start of an interesting plot for Warcraft 4.

  6. #1206

    Re: World of Warcraft - Cataclysm

    Garrosh... new warchief Woooo
    The rest of this news is also amazing
    Well done blizz

  7. #1207

    Re: World of Warcraft - Cataclysm

    Quote Originally Posted by highelfmage
    I think you should go back and read the posts, about 50% of posters are not happy with this expansion and though you might not give a shit (and we dont care that you dont give a shit). Blizzard will and does. The majority of players will see this as Blizzard running out of creativity and a good chunk of them will leave. What this means for you?


    As more players leave the game Blizzards investment in the continuation of the game would have gone down. Resources will be diverted to diffrent games, expansions will become less and less impressive (much like this one) Unlike you (a simple player) Blizzard is a company out to make money and as WoW's player base goes down so does the need to please its remaining fan bois
    You know, your just someone with a computer. Your conceived truth that a lot of people will leave WoW because they dislike this isn't in anyway a certainty, in fact, it's probably wrong. The amount of knowledge you possess that can help you predict the WoW future is about the same that a 3rd can predict the happenings of the stock trades. Every pessimist and fault pointer on this thread share's something in common; They don't like what they're reading. Blizzard isn't uncreative when they remake, redesign and revamp old areas into new ones (Blizzard is uncreative when they use old armor models :P). Now it's a place for a higher level to play in which is called the same thing, but really just has only similar terrain, npcs and monsters. Because you tried to use words like resource, investment and diverted, you tried to sound intelligent. But, as always inevitably true, you can not be intelligent when trying to slam your opinion through someones eyes via interweb. So i guess that statements includes my paragraph too :.

    So as always, wait for Blizzard to announce it. Offic' Fo' Shiz. Not a blue post (trusting those opinions to stay static is like trusting a bipolar ADHD 3 year old with recharging the batteries for someone's pacemaker), but the real Blizzcon deal. Of course, Blizzard may change what they want to do, but eh, what can you do?
    Quote Originally Posted by Ronark
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  8. #1208

    Re: World of Warcraft - Cataclysm

    I really hope troll druid has something interesting to offer in terms of new forms.

    I will reroll in a heartbeat if new shifting models are released...

    Instead of bear form they get boar, rhino, gorilla or turtle... and instead of cat form they get raptor, snake or crockolisk (tiger or panther would even be cool).

    Moonkin form would definitely have to be that awesome snake boss caster form, like in Gun'Drak or Zu'gurub. Hell, a moonkin with tusks would be pretty friggin sweet to see.

    Another Note (a bit more on-topic): The 'cataclysm' (which I believe to be the explosion of the Maelstrom) probably happens because we killed Malygos.

  9. #1209

    Re: World of Warcraft - Cataclysm

    Quote Originally Posted by ckhupp
    Simple as this, Blizzard made lore has made it so those classes are NOT involved in those races, The wild hammer have an alliance, because they refused to outright join the alliance

    the trolls who refused to follow the animal gods are a part of the horde, you cannt just study the light, you receive its blessing through prayer and being taught by one who has it. blizzard is subverting its entire old lore structure so we can mess with our epeens and dick around with things that frankly will lose their "flavor" after a few months

    Azshara was never messed with by the old gods, nor was deathwing, archimonde was the influence to BOTH of them

    gilneas wasnt just "cut off" they were obliterated. while yes, its cool to have them, its stupid andf horribly fake, disrespecting their own already made work, thats just shitty "hey, our old stuff cant keep up with what we want now, so rather then evolve our world, we'kll just go back in time, change the time loop, and make everything you knew a lie, fuck you player, fuck you"
    The bronze dragonflight goes back in time to right past wrongs (or get heroes to do it).
    Quote Originally Posted by Ronark
    Your bridge is that way ---------->
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  10. #1210

    Re: World of Warcraft - Cataclysm

    Quote Originally Posted by highelfmage
    Our military intelligence was suppose to be reliable too and we ended up finding no weapons of mass destruction so whats your point? I'm not a brain dead moron like yourself who believe every word someone whos "reliable" says, I require a little more then "trust me" to make my conclusion. So you go on ahead and believe in your "trust me" I'm gonna count on the people who actually make the decisions for the game not some random nobody who claims to have "reliable sources" and doesnt have the balls to reveal them.
    I'm guessing your american? Your military has received orders from George Bush the last 8 years? The guy with the impulse control and decision making abilities of a coked up monkey? Amirite? Your analogy is null and void.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ronark
    Your bridge is that way ---------->
    Hater's gonna hate.

  11. #1211

    Re: World of Warcraft - Cataclysm

    Quote Originally Posted by Sidiyan
    Here's what I don't get, all of these people are on here vehemently throwing nerd-rage fueled temper tantrums because blizzard is "recycling" old content (note: after most of these same people QQ about how Blizzard never does anything with old world). But it won't be old content. Apparently no one pays attention enough now a days to realize that the things contained here, and due to the breadth of what they're undertaking if this is true, none of old world will be the same. I'd imagine that we'll see updated looks and textures to accompany everything we've seen so far, let alone that your so called "new" content cries are empty without lore to support them. Here, we're just gonna throw down some random bosses in a random place that have no importance to anything going on. Is that what you crybabies really want? While this supposed expansion may not have a hot new place for us to go (which btw it does, via revamp of already existent places and opening of zones previously unable to access), it is progressing the lore something fierce setting up for your "new content" i.e. "new zone" as it would be more accurately called. Consider this a "progress" update. Time has passed since the game started. Old world have never reflected this really. Now it will, and infact will be the focus of the game again.

    I for one don't understand what all the bitching is about. It's a step in the right direction for Blizzard. All the players I've talked to all express the same sentiment: they want to see blizzard update old content. Well, this is it in a very big way.

    "Oh! B--b---but QQ-KACHOO only lvl 85". Yeah, so, they lift it to 90 and shoot themselves in the foot by having to cram the last xpac that brings the game and Warcraft as a whole to a close into one xpac instead of spreading it out, taking the focus off of level grinding and gear hoarding and putting it on lore and content, giving us that oh so sought after epic feel and giving this series a proper ending. I don't know if anyone else remembers, but there have been numerous interviews where the dev's have stated that once WoW is done, there won't be anymore Warcraft. No WoW 2. No WC4. WoW will be the closer to the series.

    "ROLFCOPTERZOMGRAGE!!! Couldn't they do this in an patch?" As has been stated numerous times: a revamp of this magnitude is a massive undertaking and requires a LOT of rewritten code. The patch to do this would be astronomically huge and would more than likely max out anyone who has a bandwidth limit, or just choke out anyone else's internet. As long as this thing isn't like 40 bucks, I'll be content. 30 bucks would be just fine.

    "ZOMGRAEPINDAFACE! They're screwing up giving the races new classes!" Again, reflexive of time going by. As posted a few posts before this one, you can wrap yourself logically around why and how this came to be. Personally I'm not terribly down with this, unless they feature a fast track option for people with lvl 80's already that functions like DK's do (start at lvl 50/55), but if they are streamlining leveling as they said they are, no loss.

    "BYCHUCKNORRISBEPURGED! This all sucks I'm going to quit the game!!!" Then by all means do, less people I have to deal with standing in line at midnight when I get my copy and less people I have to contend with to log in when you're the only few who have quit. A LOT of ex-players I know who have read about this are excited and are thinking about or already have now reactivated their accounts. All of you who are vehemently bitching are not citing jack shit as your reasons and are just showing that school is not back in session. Maybe if you had some real reasons for your dissatisfaction and would say that instead of just going off "BLIZZARPHAILSFTL". Just spouting off dislike and bashing people aimlessly is what the internet is made of, but I thought maybe we wowplayers were made of something a little bit more. Guess not.

    "MRGLGRGLGRGLGRGL! Boubouille is a NuB for posting this without having a legitimate source ZOMG". If you're going to bash Boubouille, then you're going to have to bash places like Kotaku, IGN, and other mainstream gaming sites that have taken as equal a chance and posted what he's posted here. Boubouille I commend you for putting your dick on the line with this one, people should really be ashamed for condemning you this much. He's posted rumors in the past and they've been right, especially when looked at that we're less than a week from Blizzcon when all will be revealed. Just delete your damn MMO-champ accounts. Don't like what's being posted here, go elsewhere. OH YEAH! There isn't anywhere else with as good of a track record.

    All you angry trolls can just go back to your cave and beat your QQocks till you feed on your own tears and rage and explode.
    Very nice. Epic battlecrys and valid points. For once.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ronark
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  12. #1212

    Re: World of Warcraft - Cataclysm

    Quote Originally Posted by thulkazeam
    Cairne Bloodhoof murdered? are you fucking kidding me? this is shit. despite the good things about the new expansion, i wont be playing wow due to Cairne Bloodhoof's murder, if it is true
    One definite pointer of nerd rage is to quit a game, not for lack of game play, but lack of lore (or thought lack of lore). The game will still be fun, even if some crazy tauren bitch got facepwned, you almost never do anything involving faction leaders aside from killing them.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ronark
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    Hater's gonna hate.

  13. #1213

    Re: World of Warcraft - Cataclysm

    Quote Originally Posted by S_Sword101
    The only problem i see with this, is that you're completely and totally wrong in everything you just posted.

    -The Wildhammers not in the Alliance, you're right, they're not... but at the same time, it's proof positive that Dwarves ARE capable of being shamans.
    -Trolls in the Horde can't be druids because they don't follow the animal gods... wrong-o, they do indeed follow the animal gods, but Vol'Jin vowed to help Thrall
    after he saved Vol'Jin and the other Darkspear trolls from a Sea Witch that threatened to destroy their homes.
    -Tauren can't be Paladins because they have to be taught by someone that can wield the light...... Blood Elves, enough said
    -Azshara not manipulated by an Old God... you're wrong, and right at the same time i suppose. She was manipuated by Sargeras, a corrupted Titan who wanted
    to aid the Old Gods in their control over Azeroth. AND, after Nazjatar sunk, Azshara was transformed, along with the rest of her people, into the Naga, by Old
    God influence.
    -Deathwing not influenced by an Old God... you're wrong, enough said. Nefarion, the Earth Warder. That's what Deathwing used to be known as, but he was
    driven mad by the whisperings of an Old God, and turned against the other Dragon Flights when he convinced them to make the Demon Soul.
    -Gilneas was obliterated... You're wrong, again. Gilneas' leader, Genn Greymane, ordered the Greymane wall to be constructed after the second war, because he
    did not condone throwing Orcs into internment camps, and didn't want any fuss from the Alliance when he seceded from them. As such, he, as well as the
    rest of Gilneas, became a shut-in nation. They didn't even open their gates to help the refugees from Lordaeron when the undead plague swept the land.
    Them re-joining the Alliance doesn't really make too much sense to me either, but since Alliance can't get Pandaren, then i guess they decided to swap sides
    and give Horde Goblins instead.
    Just curious but what role did pandaren play in previous games and in wow, and why can't we have them on alli, feed me teh loar plx
    Quote Originally Posted by Ronark
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  14. #1214

    Re: World of Warcraft - Cataclysm

    Quote Originally Posted by ckhupp
    Simple as this, Blizzard made lore has made it so those classes are NOT involved in those races, The wild hammer have an alliance, because they refused to outright join the alliance

    the trolls who refused to follow the animal gods are a part of the horde, you cannt just study the light, you receive its blessing through prayer and being taught by one who has it. blizzard is subverting its entire old lore structure so we can mess with our epeens and dick around with things that frankly will lose their "flavor" after a few months

    Azshara was never messed with by the old gods, nor was deathwing, archimonde was the influence to BOTH of them

    gilneas wasnt just "cut off" they were obliterated. while yes, its cool to have them, its stupid andf horribly fake, disrespecting their own already made work, thats just shitty "hey, our old stuff cant keep up with what we want now, so rather then evolve our world, we'kll just go back in time, change the time loop, and make everything you knew a lie, fuck you player, fuck you"
    You need to review your lore. gilneas was never destroyed, and archimonde had nothing to do with deathwing or azshara. it was, and always has been, the old gods in deathwings case.

  15. #1215

    Re: World of Warcraft - Cataclysm

    This is exactly what the WoW needed for Warcraft 4.

    1 brutal orc leading the new new horde and a hot-tempered human leading the alliance.

    Otherwise there can't be any war, thrall and cairne are getting old and had enough screentime.

    It's time to reopen the conflict, we need some fresh new blood and leaders.

    This, I believe is to make the progression to WC 4 more streamlined and easier.
    Because after that next-gen MMO hits, WC 4 will take over and WoW 1 will be done (they NEED an upgrade after this expansion....).



    And yeah Lok'thar Ogar let's have some allies for dinner.

  16. #1216

    Re: World of Warcraft - Cataclysm

    TBh, the only bit i'm not sure about is the classic Azeroth revamp bit, and the flying mount functionality. I mean, they'll have to COMPLETELY re-work the whole thing, this isn't a small patch here, this is massive. While Azshara was bound to be modified for this expansion, and Hyjal was going to be unlocked sooner or later, i'm not sure how they'll manage the barrens and Org revamp, as these are still popular areas - what happens to those without the expansion? Ditto thousand needles, how will parts of it be flooded? And how will flying mounts work around the edges of thousand needles? We KNOW there's nothing up beyond those cliffs.

    Not sure what to make about Gnomer. Not my favorite instance, i'll not care very much about seeing it go. But I don't want it to be the new capital either for the same reason.

    As for BRM, it'll be good to see that return. Awesome gothic castle full of dragons and lava ftw. Having said that, they have a lot to live up to, and given recent trends i'd hate to see what would happen to BRD. Reduced to 2 short corridors with a boss either end no doubt. It'll be a tragedy if you can't get the Leeroy achievement anymore too.

  17. #1217

    Re: World of Warcraft - Cataclysm

    So why exactly do people speculate that Garrosh kills Cairne? Seems bizarre to me, that's not exactly something one could datamine.

    He could just get old and pass on.

    As a Horde player I would be very upset if Garrosh took Thrall's place, as fun as "me smash weak alliance" is...he's a complete idiot and terrible leader. He represents old Horde and Thrall is a really great character, I can't picture him just up and leaving. Also the idea of him killing Cairne is just weird, I'm fairly certain all of the Tauren would quit Horde (not players the actual Tauren) if someone just up and murdered a really nice old Tauren leader who has led them for ages. Thrall as Guardian would be weird lore wise, he's a Shaman, he has no understanding of magic.

    Besides, if Cairne was implicated as a traitor why would his son take his place? That makes no sense.

    Thousand Needles is land locked, it would look cool flooded, but would make no sense. Splitting The Barrens seems weird, it doesn't affect much either way, it's practically split as it is, you do the first half and then the second half.

    Class race combos don't do much for a gameplay point of view. The novelty of a Troll Druid would wear off quickly.

    Rereleasing old content isn't very exciting for the original players who've done it all before.

    Also how does this work with new players without the expansion? If everything is phased then effectively the highest level players won't be able to interact with new players.

    Having a revamped Azeroth could be cool, as long as it isn't regurgitated content.

  18. #1218

    Re: World of Warcraft - Cataclysm

    Quote Originally Posted by Calaba
    TBh, the only bit i'm not sure about is the classic Azeroth revamp bit, and the flying mount functionality. I mean, they'll have to COMPLETELY re-work the whole thing, this isn't a small patch here, this is massive. While Azshara was bound to be modified for this expansion, and Hyjal was going to be unlocked sooner or later, i'm not sure how they'll manage the barrens and Org revamp, as these are still popular areas - what happens to those without the expansion? Ditto thousand needles, how will parts of it be flooded? And how will flying mounts work around the edges of thousand needles? We KNOW there's nothing up beyond those cliffs.

    Not sure what to make about Gnomer. Not my favorite instance, i'll not care very much about seeing it go. But I don't want it to be the new capital either for the same reason.

    As for BRM, it'll be good to see that return. Awesome gothic castle full of dragons and lava ftw. Having said that, they have a lot to live up to, and given recent trends i'd hate to see what would happen to BRD. Reduced to 2 short corridors with a boss either end no doubt. It'll be a tragedy if you can't get the Leeroy achievement anymore too.
    It is a lot of work. But then again Blizzard puts A LOT of work into their expansions. They created entire continents before, this time they already have the ground rules set,
    they just need to make it more detailed for flying over now, which shouldn't be too bad.

  19. #1219

    Re: World of Warcraft - Cataclysm

    Remember. For every whiny disliker there are probably thousands of silent likers.

    If these details are proven to be accurate, I for one will resubcribe - after almost 3 years hiatus.

  20. #1220

    Re: World of Warcraft - Cataclysm

    Quote Originally Posted by Skab
    You need to review your lore. gilneas was never destroyed, and archimonde had nothing to do with deathwing or azshara. it was, and always has been, the old gods in deathwings case.
    And infact if you read the War of the Ancients, you find that Azshara pleaded with the/an Old God(s) to spare her and her kin. The Old God(s) answered and in kind turned her followers into naga and her into some monstrosity we've yet to see.

    And you apparently havn't done Yogg Saron if you don't know about Deathwing and the Old God ties he has.

    EDIT: Quoting backfired, wasn't aimed at you Skab, was meant at the person you were aiming that comment at.

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