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  1. #1381

    Re: World of Warcraft - Cataclysm

    Quote Originally Posted by McGnarlz
    So? No mana, no arcane, no fireballs pew pew, no lightning bolts... They're like batman. No super powers but lots of epicness.
    Just to clarify, "arcane" and "mana" are not synonymous. Paladins use mana to fuel their Light abilities, priests use mana as a catalyst for their faith-based powers, and mages expend mana to cast spells. "Mana" isn't so much directly related to the arcane as it is a source of energy within all living things in WoW. Kind of like chi (and all the chakras and such), only it's more magical based. The Well of Eternity did fill the entirety of Azeroth with magic before it got blowed up.

    That means that, while non-belf rogues might focus more on faith "energy" or some such, the blood elf variety are almost definitely focused around the arcane that they covet so much. That would explain their ability to move at supernatural speeds and, as I mentioned before, become almost completely invisible.

    Back on topic, I really like what I'm reading. I had brought up the (purely speculative, completely unfounded and likely wrong) possibility that Cataclysm could literally be "WoW2" mostly because of the thought that Blizzard might not want to lose the current WoW fanbase that doesn't care about the old world. It won't happen, of course, and they'll be eliminating the old world from WoW forever, replacing it with what looks to be a much more interesting, entertaining version, with a lot more lore, and better presentation of said lore. We'll see how it goes. I'll miss you, Thousand Needles. Well, not really.

  2. #1382

    Re: World of Warcraft - Cataclysm

    the information that you link is usually 99% accurate and people that want to troll the information posted are just enjoying the status as "f**ktards" (reference the f**ktard theory) ive never been let down or disillusioned by any of your past posts. keep up the good work and thanks for the early info on the new expansion

  3. #1383

    Re: World of Warcraft - Cataclysm

    Quote Originally Posted by TyphonTook
    Just to clarify, "arcane" and "mana" are not synonymous. Paladins use mana to fuel their Light abilities, priests use mana as a catalyst for their faith-based powers, and mages expend mana to cast spells. "Mana" isn't so much directly related to the arcane as it is a source of energy within all living things in WoW. Kind of like chi (and all the chakras and such), only it's more magical based. The Well of Eternity did fill the entirety of Azeroth with magic before it got blowed up.
    I know mana isn't only arcane, remember what I said about lightning bolts? But anyway I was just pointing out, no matter what element of magic it is, it's usually involved with mana (DK's use deathrunes to channel magic or w/e, but don't have mana). Rogues though, the sneaking is really only made invisible because it's the only way it would work. Ofc, Maybe they look invisible, but what the player see's and who he's controlling see's are different. Because, realistically no one can notice someone behind them, so maybe stealthing just works the same way.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ronark
    Your bridge is that way ---------->
    Hater's gonna hate.

  4. #1384

    Re: World of Warcraft - Cataclysm

    if any of this will be confirmed, in any cases it will be the best expansion yet.
    remember that from day one, outlands and northrend were already there. we didnt discovered anything new, those places were supposed to be here. wow is 10 years after wc3, so every zone we explored in the past few years was already explored, we all should have played in while we were level 60 in vanilla.
    so, 'changing' lore is just goin on with the story. and we were waiting this since we finished wc3. finally something really new happens i hope. well ok, we killed illidan, we are goin to kill arthas, but come on, the wc was never a game about kill the last boss, it's a story you live. so take it easy and hope to see the story continue.

  5. #1385

    Re: World of Warcraft - Cataclysm

    Quote Originally Posted by Starslayer
    Thrall stepping down so he can go work with Ally and Horde?? Screw that, Thrall doesn't work with the Ally he works thier faces, so lameeee
    I've been seeing a lot of comments like this, and I agree. Consider this, though:

    Garrosh challenged Thrall for the mantle of Warchief just before WotLK went live. This could come back up after Arthas' inevitable fall, and Garrosh might just win. Thrall seems the type to hold back so as not to accidentally kill a decent friend, not to mention the son of his fallen comrade, Grom. Therefore, Garrosh might literally earn his place as Warchief. It's not the best form of governmental election, but Thrall, and the horde as a whole, are suckers for tradition a lot of the time.

    Also, the assassination of Cairne may not be 100% accurate, as some of the information listed is sketchy, and doesn't claim to be completely solid. If he is killed, we don't know for sure if Garrosh would be completely in the wrong. It seems likely, based on his current demeanor, that Garrosh would be at fault, the hot-headed, blood-thirsty orc that he is. Still, maybe Cairne does cross a boundary, or maybe it's an accident, and Garrosh immediately gets blamed because he's the first person anyone would guess did it. If Saurfang bites it in Icecrown (which would suck but probably be an epic event), who could or would be able to take Cairne down? Sylvanus and Vol'jin have no qualms, so Garrosh would be an easy scapegoat, even if he's not necessarily to blame, and most of the other horde faction leaders wouldn't care to try and stop him, if they knew what he was planning at all.

    Quote Originally Posted by McGnarlz
    I know mana isn't only arcane, remember what I said about lightning bolts? But anyway I was just pointing out, no matter what element of magic it is, it's usually involved with mana (DK's use deathrunes to channel magic or w/e, but don't have mana). Rogues though, the sneaking is really only made invisible because it's the only way it would work. Ofc, Maybe they look invisible, but what the player see's and who he's controlling see's are different. Because, realistically no one can notice someone behind them, so maybe stealthing just works the same way.
    Yes, it would make sense from a game design stand-point that characters would have to literally be made invisible for "sneaking" to work, but like I said, the actual class description on the character creation screen says that rogues use some small forms of magic. I wouldn't call the ability "Vanish" if the character wasn't literally disappearing. Also, Shadowstep is a form of teleportation, like Blink meets charge. Finally, you can hide in plain sight right in front of someone while stealthed (if their stealth detection isn't up to snuff, of course). I'm not trying to argue with you, of course (this is actually getting pretty interesting), just trying to get into the minds of the Devs and lore writers.

  6. #1386

    Re: World of Warcraft - Cataclysm

    Quote Originally Posted by Starslayer
    Thrall stepping down so he can go work with Ally and Horde?? Screw that, Thrall doesn't work with the Ally he works thier faces, so lameeee
    this is just not true.

  7. #1387

    Re: World of Warcraft - Cataclysm

    95 pages here, not going to read through all of it so I apologise if someone already pointed this out.

    If this is true (which I personally believe it is, or at least a fairly good representation of what lies in store, I trust the sources), it is most probable they will use Caverns of Time.

    New level 1 characters start in the original world, and once you reach level 80 you can perform some sort of quest chain (a big Wrathgate kinda quest) which would initiate you into the new version of the world, separately instanced with the changes applied to it. There's could be a portal which would simply take you back to the old version of the world. Problem solved?

  8. #1388

    Re: World of Warcraft - Cataclysm

    Reading through the Blizzcon 2009 Schedule, the only really new wow stuff we're getting this year is Ice Crown Citadel, nothing more and nothing less.
    Sorry but this is a SC2/D3 year

  9. #1389

    Re: World of Warcraft - Cataclysm

    Quote Originally Posted by TyphonTook
    Yes, it would make sense from a game design stand-point that characters would have to literally be made invisible for "sneaking" to work, but like I said, the actual class description on the character creation screen says that rogues use some small forms of magic. I wouldn't call the ability "Vanish" if the character wasn't literally disappearing. Also, Shadowstep is a form of teleportation, like Blink meets charge. Finally, you can hide in plain sight right in front of someone while stealthed (if their stealth detection isn't up to snuff, of course). I'm not trying to argue with you, of course (this is actually getting pretty interesting), just trying to get into the minds of the Devs and lore writers.
    Good point. I see how it is uncannily like magic. Just without mana.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ronark
    Your bridge is that way ---------->
    Hater's gonna hate.

  10. #1390

    Re: World of Warcraft - Cataclysm

    Quote Originally Posted by Fraiche
    Reading through the Blizzcon 2009 Schedule, the only really new wow stuff we're getting this year is Ice Crown Citadel, nothing more and nothing less.
    Sorry but this is a SC2/D3 year
    you don't really think they would put WoW-Cataclysm Announcement in BIG FAT Letters on the schedule, do you?

  11. #1391

    Re: World of Warcraft - Cataclysm

    Quote Originally Posted by Fraiche
    Reading through the Blizzcon 2009 Schedule, the only really new wow stuff we're getting this year is Ice Crown Citadel, nothing more and nothing less.
    Sorry but this is a SC2/D3 year
    Nah only thing they will say about D3 is 1 new class(prolly rogue/amazon type ranged physical class or Javabarb!!! oh nwm...), and instead of more D3 news they will finally say what Diablo 2 1.13patch will hold and extra 5months for its release date!

  12. #1392

    Re: World of Warcraft - Cataclysm

    i don't like the fact of garrosh taking over.... didn't Overlord Saurfang say if garrosh took them back into mindless killing machines he would kill him himself? bc if garrosh does take over things would go back to the way it was, ppl would see orcs as mindless killing machines again... sigh just as we were becoming the good guys and the allies were the emo bad guys now LONG LIVE THRALL!!!!

  13. #1393

    Re: World of Warcraft - Cataclysm

    Tauren paladin? WTF. I hope this don´t happen!

    The rest is pretty cool, I am just scared about taurens paladin. Worst just if it was undead paladins! lol

  14. #1394

    Re: World of Warcraft - Cataclysm

    Finally Dwarfs get to be a shaman cant wait to roll one since i dont like how the draenai run and junk id rather use a dwarf.

  15. #1395

    Re: World of Warcraft - Cataclysm

    With regards to the New expansion

    I might be a little slow, but i just saw Dragonstalker's Helm, on the lvl 80 loot list... cmon now

    Are blizzard really serious about revamping ony? but i mean yeah sure revamp it, but for the love of god make new item models, u seriously cant think u can just take old gear, slap some new stats on them and expect people to be happy, pull finger and design new model ffs! im sorry, it aint the first time u just decide to take old models and slap new stats on me... , if u make an expansion, make it an expansion, with new models, and if u revamp bosses change them a little, im going to be very sad rocking up to kill ony and u have to do the EXACT same tactic... use ur imagintion blizzard ... please.. where has ur originality gone?

    TBH, it really feels like blizzard has just given up on wow, with all they new games coming out, S2, and diablo3.. they not putting effort into wow anymore

  16. #1396

    Re: World of Warcraft - Cataclysm

    I hope this is true. . . old world desperately needs a revamp, and to see old zones updated for new circumstances would be amazing.

  17. #1397

    Re: World of Warcraft - Cataclysm

    Quote Originally Posted by Adys
    I don't think anyone can say "almost all" the content is just a revamp. Don't expect something half-assed. I've been playing five years, I've hated some content (particularly TBC), I've loved some other (particularly wotlk). But I've never seen Blizzard release any "half-assed" patch, let alone an expansion.
    How can someone hate TBC but love WOTLK?! must be a casual..

  18. #1398

    Re: World of Warcraft - Cataclysm

    i also hope it is true.
    but i don't think that the worgen are suitable to the alliance.
    because they are a agressive and primitive race.
    i think that the centauren are better for the alliance.
    and it is unfair if you can only fly in azeroth and not kalimdor.
    to be honest it would be nice to get on the top of the exodar for exemple
    and what about the maelstrome?
    are we gonna finaly see it?
    because it sounds realy cool to see that giant whirlpool.
    for the rest i can't wait for this expansion.

  19. #1399

    Re: World of Warcraft - Cataclysm

    Quote Originally Posted by zanoria
    With regards to the New expansion

    I might be a little slow, but i just saw Dragonstalker's Helm, on the lvl 80 loot list... cmon now

    Are blizzard really serious about revamping ony? but i mean yeah sure revamp it, but for the love of god make new item models, u seriously cant think u can just take old gear, slap some new stats on them and expect people to be happy, pull finger and design new model ffs! im sorry, it aint the first time u just decide to take old models and slap new stats on me... , if u make an expansion, make it an expansion, with new models, and if u revamp bosses change them a little, im going to be very sad rocking up to kill ony and u have to do the EXACT same tactic... use ur imagintion blizzard ... please.. where has ur originality gone?

    TBH, it really feels like blizzard has just given up on wow, with all they new games coming out, S2, and diablo3.. they not putting effort into wow anymore
    Thats what im thinking, whats sad is that WoW players dwarf S2 and Diablo3 players put together in terms of population. Though if they do release this expansion that would probably change after a ton of players leave the game after being disappointed with a half ass expansion.

  20. #1400

    Re: World of Warcraft - Cataclysm

    Quote Originally Posted by highelfmage
    Thats what im thinking, whats sad is that WoW players dwarf S2 and Diablo3 players put together in terms of population. Though if they do release this expansion that would probably change after a ton of players leave the game after being disappointed with a half ass expansion.
    half ass expansion? you havent even seen in yet

    A WoW expansion will include enough content BECAUSE Blizzard would fear such reactions... do you really think they wouldnt give us enough new stuff?

    Grim Batol, Gilneas, Uldum, Hyjal, 2 new races

    that alone is enough new content and especially for old classic players and lore-fans enough reasons to stay with the game and buy the expansion

    and surely there will be lots of more... island on giant sea creatures or whatever... and just because in the post isnt anything mentioned about things like kezan or the south seas doesnt mean they wont play a role in the next expansion... just wait and see before you accuse blizzard of such things

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