Class Discussions Panel

[Kampreich]

lol?
Alliance have 2 paladins, Horde have 4 shamans. See how that doesnt work?

Oh no! Horde has 1 more paladin than Alliance has shaman!

Is that seriously what you're crying about?

[Rogge]

Why do people act like Blizzard is going to change how things are itemized? What's with this notion that things are going to be obvious upgrades or obvious downgrades? It's going to be exactly like it is now, certain pieces will favor certain stats and you'll have to tradeoff to build a specific way.

To change your example, here's what I expect things like rings to be itemized:

Please, let's try to think about this logically.

I cut out your examples, but I will explain from a warlock point of view.

For a warlock (destruction), everything has stam+int+spellpower. Then you get two more stats on your gear - spirit, haste, crit or hit.

The thing is, hit has a cap. Haste has a cap (softcap) where it becomes less desirable. So the only things that don't cap are crit (unless you can get 100%, which you can't) and spirit.

Now remove spirit. Remove spellpower.

Everything has int+stamina (assumption), and once you cap hit, there's only haste and crit. And once you softcap haste, you want crit. More crit. And more crit. There's not really anything else to look for.

Does that really sound exciting and interesting?

[patrux]

i was all looking forward to it, untill i saw this rediculous removal of stats

thats fucking retarded, seriously

Customisation was something that actually required thinking and looking up stuff, getting an excell file out and checking out an upgrade path, changing gear cause of a nonhit trinket, cause the new one has a ton of haste or crit, where will you gain it ? where will you replace it ?

no, its now all changed to one single stat on gear and if u drop an item that has more of that stat, its better, else its not.

this also means spriest-mage lock, using the same nontier pieces, and perhaps boomkins and ele shamans to.

there is only one good thing about this : running the cataclysm version of naxxramas will have retardedly easy to hand out gear.
this brings it to the core of this very change

WoW 4.0 is for casuals(nothing new) cause

Casuals get to : see everything, get everything handed to them, expirience everything, kill everything, without the need of skill, time or dedication

dedicated pve'ers get : hardmodes of what u allready killed that now give loot that has 4 more int or agi


so aion, i heard its a nice game

Aion ain't for PvE'rs, next.

[Eariam]

Oh no! Horde has 1 more paladin than Alliance has shaman!

Is that seriously what you're crying about?

uhm. no. Alliance and horde have 2 paladins (after this exp.) Horde has 4 shamans and alliance 2 (after exp.)
See the inbalance? You kids are reading it all wrong then putting out something trying to put down my post by saying something that doesnt make sense.

[andy_mitchelluk]

mail items will no longer be desirable for plate wearers

What if a leather/mail item drops that's miles ahead of my current item and I'm a plate wearer.

Say no-one in the raid needs it but it's a major upgrade for me.

Great. Another piece to be disenchanted and wasted.

Good change there Blizzard.

[Kampreich]

uhm. no. Alliance and horde have 2 paladins (after this exp.) Horde has 4 shamans and alliance 2 (after exp.)
See the inbalance? You kids are reading it all wrong then putting out something trying to put down my post by saying something that doesnt make sense.

Alliance will have 3 Paladins and 2 Shaman.
Horde will have 4 Shaman and 2 Paladins.
If it were *truly* balanced completely alliance would have 4 paladins, but it's not that important.

EDIT:http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/...trix_en_US.jpg

[rightful_cynic]

All I have to say about itemization I said... FOUR MONTHS AGO!

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/th...45468&sid=1#15

[Eariam]

Alliance will have 3 Paladins and 2 Shaman.
Horde will have 4 Shaman and 2 Paladins.
If it were *truly* balanced completely alliance would have 4 paladins, but it's not that important.

EDIT:http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/...trix_en_US.jpg

My mistake, I seemed to have forgotten that draenei are pallys. But all im trying to say is horde really do not need another shaman. To make it balanced it would seem to just give the horde the pally and leave it at that. This also has to deal with lore and such. And as far as im concerned, Goblins are not magical caster beings. They always have all the technology crap. Which is why im so confused. Refer to my first post.

[Baenre]

I saw these changes (and the typos in them) and honestly thought MMO Champ was hacked, and some tard was posting a bunch of BS to freak people out. I think a lot of these stat simplifying changes are... well, they make things a bit too easy. I realize there are a lot of stats to juggle, but... I dont know, i still think 98% of this wont even show up. God only knows when the expansion will come out (and hopefully i will be done with wow by then), and how many changes to the changes they will make.

I fear change.

Anyone read of a new hero class, or any hints of one? I thought there was supposed to be one with each expansion. Well, we still have time. I'm waiting on the Sapper class :P

I'll be sure to save this post when all of this does go live and you quit for fearing change. You do realise making a new class, especially a hero one has been shown as a huge undertaking? Here we are almost a year since the release of Wrath and DK's are finally getting balanced somewhat. At least blizzard has acknowledged that randomly throwing out a new class each expansion is a terrible idea.

[Klâth]

I cut out your examples, but I will explain from a warlock point of view.

For a warlock (destruction), everything has stam+int+spellpower. Then you get two more stats on your gear - spirit, haste, crit or hit.

The thing is, hit has a cap. Haste has a cap (softcap) where it becomes less desirable. So the only things that don't cap are crit (unless you can get 100%, which you can't) and spirit.

Now remove spirit. Remove spellpower.

Everything has int+stamina (assumption), and once you cap hit, there's only haste and crit. And once you softcap haste, you want crit. More crit. And more crit. There's not really anything else to look for.

Does that really sound exciting and interesting?

Welcome to the world of Plate itemization, now your class is on the same page with Warriors and Paladins. Here, I'll change your post to show you what I mean.

For a Paladin (Retribution), everything has Stamina and Strength. Then you get two more stats on your gear - Hit, Expertise, Crit, and Haste.

The thing is, Hit and Expertise both have a cap. Haste isn't desireable for ANY 2Hander class, it's essentially wasted itemization points. So the only things that don't cap are Crit (unless you can get 100%, which you can't).

Everything has Stamina and Strength (assumption), and once you cap Hit/Expertise, there's only Haste and Crit. And you never wanted Haste to begin with, you want Strength. More Strength. And more Strength. There's not really anything else to look for.

There just forcing the other classes to deal with what Plate wearers have been dealing with since BC. Sucks, yes, but welcome to our world.

[shablam]

Well, I guess it's time to move on from WoW...


I'm moving on to Aion when it releases in September.

Yeah and I'm moving on to Warhammer, and LotRO. Oh wait.

[Mysticcal]

Now the real question comes up.

Will Worgen Run on all 4s.

IF so. fuckyeah. making a hunter or a rogue.

[shablam]

Welcome to the world of Plate itemization, now your class is on the same page with Warriors and Paladins. Here, I'll change your post to show you what I mean.

For a Paladin (Retribution), everything has Stamina and Strength. Then you get two more stats on your gear - Hit, Expertise, Crit, and Haste.

The thing is, Hit and Expertise both have a cap. Haste isn't desireable for ANY 2Hander class, it's essentially wasted itemization points. So the only things that don't cap are Crit (unless you can get 100%, which you can't).

Everything has Stamina and Strength (assumption), and once you cap Hit/Expertise, there's only Haste and Crit. And you never wanted Haste to begin with, you want Strength. More Strength. And more Strength. There's not really anything else to look for.

There just forcing the other classes to deal with what Plate wearers have been dealing with since BC. Sucks, yes, but welcome to our world.

Dont forget ArP.. they actually put that shit on Ret tier.. Seriously blizzard? Id rather have haste than ArP...

[Kampreich]

My mistake, I seemed to have forgotten that draenei are pallys. But all im trying to say is horde really do not need another shaman. To make it balanced it would seem to just give the horde the pally and leave it at that. This also has to deal with lore and such. And as far as im concerned, Goblins are not magical caster beings. They always have all the technology crap. Which is why im so confused. Refer to my first post.

Yeah, I'm honestly clueless as to why they gave Goblins shaman.

[shablam]

Yeah, I'm honestly clueless as to why they gave Goblins shaman.

You see Tauren Paladin and Undead hunter, but Goblin Shaman makes you wonder?

[Hindukel]

Yeah and I'm moving on to Warhammer, and LotRO. Oh wait.

Oh yeah all the MMO's that were going to "Crush WoW"? All I have to say is LOL@ Warhammer that has like, 50 players left, and LOL@ Lotro for just being a bad game.

Everquest 2 is still pretty fun, but is NOT made for a wide audience so it could never hope to nab the fanbase that WoW has. And Aion, well...I tried the beta out and it was pretty fun, but I don't see it overturning WoW.

[scandore8472]

uhm. no. Alliance and horde have 2 paladins (after this exp.) Horde has 4 shamans and alliance 2 (after exp.)
See the inbalance? You kids are reading it all wrong then putting out something trying to put down my post by saying something that doesnt make sense.

Alliance has 3 right now as it stands. Dwarf, human, draenei. Basic math, learn it.

[shingai]

atleast now with hunters not using mana, enhancement shamans wont have to roll against anyone for their gear

[Baenre]

The only game remotely close to putting a dent in blizzards monster ATM is KoTOR online. The game itself though is years away from being released so blizzard has a comfortable cusion. We all know that we'll come back to wow for our fix and that will be that. Is there seriously anything out there right now that isn't a complete botch job by their developers?

[Dalinth]

without the need of skill, time or dedication

Because requiring dedication and time in a game is good amidoinitrite?