I know i'll probably get flamed as just some stupid casual Noob for this but does anyone else find that some loot systems ONLY give gear to those who would "like" the new gear rather than "need" upgrades. I mean if someone's truely stupid they don't deserve gear until they can figure out their class (that's just a given).
Say a guild has a loot system that anyone who just joined the guild ( just being around 3-4 weeks) is on loot probation, now figure that there are 3 tanks in this guild, one is completly geared for the tier of content, one doesn't show up and the last is new and can upgrade from just about every boss. This might sound selfish but if I'm the "new guy" I'm not going because I'm not getting anything and the whole "let's get another tank so that we can raid more" impetus to recruit me is utterly lost. (I use tanks because I was one and tanks are really scarce on my old server).
on a second note, having alts/casual raiders have a harder time gearing up makes "casual raiders" become an I don't care about raiding if I can't upgrade my X crafted epic/naxx epic to Y Uld epic because someone who's a "core raider" just went from T 7.5- T8 when I'm rocking my ebonweave/spellweave chest.
my third and final point is that there is rampant favoritism in 95% (made up statistic regarding a gross majority) competent raiding guilds saying that well tank A is on always and has some upgrades (yay) but tank B (sad man) is the guy who only gets on to do dailies and some raiding same gear (exact for argument's sake). they get in and "poof" an awesome upgrade for both of them drops, most of em will say well we like A more, A is on more often, A loves GM dearly ( jk) etc. and just give A the gear and B is just goin I just wasted 3-4hrs raiding for absolutely NO benefit besides doing the raid which now a days is an exercise in who can keep calm the longest (this works for very low drp rate stuff like trinkets, hardmodes and algalon)
in summary
Can someone tell me how Loot probation for new members who have very very large upgrades from a raid gets them to raid even if they can't get a piece of gear.
Can anyone tell me how to find a guild that I'll get a fair chance ( as in I'm here I killed the guy he dropped my stuff I have a fair opportunity to get it) to get upgrades AND be able to beat say all normals from uld and some of TotC. ( if possible)
finally, what do the good guilds use as a loot system that both encourages recruitment and gets people to push the hardest content