do paladins need a new AoE?

[twinkleblur]

so i asked on the paladin forums if paladins needed a new AoE ability but not just that if paladins just needed something else all toghther. my current guild is 1 of the top guilds in wow. but i noticed something i didnt like with every single paladin i raided with. i judged this on what i saw our DKs do and what i saw our warriors do dps wise. most of the DKs/warriors easliy mantained around 8-10k dps but our paladins who were actually better geared only did 6-7k dps.

when i brought this up on the official forums people said L2P pally or though i was trolling but after seeing the top guild on my servers pallys doing around the same dps it made me think paladins needed something new. i wanna know what other think.

[Ronark]

so i asked on the paladin forums if paladins needed a new AoE ability but not just that if paladins just needed something else all toghther. my current guild is 1 of the top guilds in wow. but i noticed something i didnt like with every single paladin i raided with. i judged this on what i saw our DKs do and what i saw our warriors do dps wise. most of the DKs/warriors easliy mantained around 8-10k dps but our paladins who were actually better geared only did 6-7k dps.

when i brought this up on the official forums people said L2P pally or though i was trolling but after seeing the top guild on my servers pallys doing around the same dps it made me think paladins needed something new. i wanna know what other think.

How about buffing Consecration and give us a non-AE spam ability in our rotation?

[DaGhostDS]

patch 3.2.2

Seal of Command: This ability now chains to strike up to 2 additional targets when it is triggered by an attack that can only strike a single target

we dont need more
we need more dps without affecting pvp (will never happen)

my current guild is 1 of the top guilds in wow.

words are words, some proof might help.. and a armory for the lolz

[Ronark]

patch 3.2.2

Seal of Command: This ability now chains to strike up to 2 additional targets when it is triggered by an attack that can only strike a single target

we dont need more
words are words, some proof might help.. and a armory for the lolz

Isn't SoR is still better for AE than Command (which will only proc from CS and White hits)?

[DaGhostDS]

Isn't SoR is still better for AE than Command (which will only proc from CS and White hits)?

havent tried it I assume its better then SoR and im not downloading a minor patch 2 time with more then 1.5 gig of size.. limit of 20gig per month reset the 24th of each month

[twinkleblur]

ok ur only thinking about ret. ret is great and i did make it seem i was only talking about ret but i meant for all 3 trees prot i still feels slightly off when trying to grab multiple adds from mulitple areas . we do not have the AoE for more than 2-3 directional tanking as warriors and DKs who have multi directional tanking as for holy. i have a holy paladin lved it holy from point 1 never went ret but sometimes i feel it needs more AoE.

[Astray]

I think that updated SoC does the job.

Another additional ability will make all the world "oh my god, that paladin has too much insane imbalanced burst damage and even with a ramp up time of 15 seconds i feel like being killed yesterday buhuhuhu"~ and i dont think we need another one.

I wonder why theres no aoe-ability in wow that shares cd with a single target ability, or is there?

[Snowhammer]

...my current guild is 1 of the top guilds in wow.....after seeing the top guild on my servers pallys doing around the same dps it made me think paladins needed something new.

One of the best in wow, but not the best on your server?

I smell somthign fishy.. sniff sniff

[Snowulf]

One of the best in wow, but not the best on your server?

I smell somthign fishy.. sniff sniff

I smell alliance lies! (but I agree with the above poster, dwarves and humans are respectable)

[Ronark]

I think that updated SoC does the job.

Another additional ability will make all the world "oh my god, that paladin has too much insane imbalanced burst damage and even with a ramp up time of 15 seconds i feel like being killed yesterday buhuhuhu"~ and i dont think we need another one.

I wonder why theres no aoe-ability in wow that shares cd with a single target ability, or is there?

Not really- I proposed something like this before on the official forums.

What I am REALLY hoping, is that when all the Tress are redone for Cata that we;ll get another class rebalance.

[meag333]

ok ur only thinking about ret. ret is great and i did make it seem i was only talking about ret but i meant for all 3 trees prot i still feels slightly off when trying to grab multiple adds from mulitple areas . we do not have the AoE for more than 2-3 directional tanking as warriors and DKs who have multi directional tanking as for holy. i have a holy paladin lved it holy from point 1 never went ret but sometimes i feel it needs more AoE.

If prot paladins are having a problem holding more than three mobs, honestly they suck. Consecrate is one of the best AoE threat holders. Not to mention Avengers sheild, Hammer of the Righterous and now they can even get SoC i think. Im not sure if SoC would be worth it but somebody could test it out. It should make Sheild of the Righteous hit multiple targets as well as white swings.

[Snowhammer]

Isn't SoR is still better for AE than Command (which will only proc from CS and White hits)?

I was under the immpression that SoC would only proc the "extra" attacks on white hits and CS. It will proc normally on the rest. Am I wrong?

[Switchshot]

Not as tanks. We have more then we need!

[Ronark]

If prot paladins are having a problem holding more than three mobs, honestly they suck. Consecrate is one of the best AoE threat holders. Not to mention Avengers sheild, Hammer of the Righterous and now they can even get SoC i think. Im not sure if SoC would be worth it but somebody could test it out. It should make Sheild of the Righteous hit multiple targets as well as white swings.

I was under the immpression that SoC would only proc the "extra" attacks on white hits and CS. It will proc normally on the rest. Am I wrong?

No thats how it works: Which is why I assume that SoR will be better for AE, and why SoC won't be viable for Prot: Not only is it a percentage of Weapon damage, but it would also only proc off of White Hits.

[FroggyChaos]

ok ur only thinking about ret. ret is great and i did make it seem i was only talking about ret but i meant for all 3 trees prot i still feels slightly off when trying to grab multiple adds from mulitple areas . we do not have the AoE for more than 2-3 directional tanking as warriors and DKs who have multi directional tanking as for holy. i have a holy paladin lved it holy from point 1 never went ret but sometimes i feel it needs more AoE.

Clearly you have never aoe tanked as a warrior. aoe tanking as a warrior is a huge pain where as aoe tanking as a pally is awesome. It's just fine as it is if you have any problems aoe tanking as a pally l2p its ezmode.

[Kovak]

Yes and paladins need mortal strike and hamstring.








Just kidding.

[Remyrm]

Clearly you have never aoe tanked as a warrior. aoe tanking as a warrior is a huge pain where as aoe tanking as a pally is awesome. It's just fine as it is if you have any problems aoe tanking as a pally l2p its ezmode.

This, it's really a pain, requires a lot more skill to pull off, use the right skills, your a lot more active.

Really Pallys needing better aoe?? Are you fking kidding me?
If your talking prot, you allready got enough aoe tanking abilities, if your talking ret, divine storm and consecration anyone??

I'm not saying Wars need it more than palas, ohh wait, I am!

[Deleted]

No thats how it works: Which is why I assume that SoR will be better for AE, and why SoC won't be viable for Prot: Not only is it a percentage of Weapon damage, but it would also only proc off of White Hits.

Edit for clarification:

I haven't been on the PTRs yet, but I think you're wrong Ronark regarding Retribution paladins.

The Patch Notes say:
Seal of Command: This ability now chains to strike up to 2 additional targets when it is triggered by an attack that can only strike a single target.

The when component of the sentence implies that it will always proc its damage, but it will chain whenever you use a single target attack like Crusader Strike (and auto attack obviously).
Divine Storm: Seal proc on every target.
Crusader Strike: Seal proc + chain to two additional targets.

Same for Protection Paladins:
Hammer of the Righteous: Seal proc on every target.
Auto attack: Seal proc + chain to two additional targets.

[Ronark]

I haven't been on the PTRs yet, but I think you're wrong Ronark.

The Patch Notes say:
Seal of Command: This ability now chains to strike up to 2 additional targets when it is triggered by an attack that can only strike a single target.

The when component of the sentence implies that it will always proc its damage, but it will chain whenever you use a single target attack like Crusader Strike (and auto attack obviously).
Divine Storm: Seal proc on every target.
Crusader Strike: Seal proc + chain to two additional targets.

I haven't messed with it on the PTR yet- However, it still scales horribly with Gear, and that extra damage only occurs on White hits and CS- It might be but its hard to tell (On average you'll have 31 extra Procs a minute assuming the extra procs or your White hits/CS do not miss).

[Sahiel]

Clearly you have never aoe tanked as a warrior. aoe tanking as a warrior is a huge pain where as aoe tanking as a pally is awesome. It's just fine as it is if you have any problems aoe tanking as a pally l2p its ezmode.

You should probably think a little more deeply about the different situations where AoE tanking is required, for example snap threat vs threat over time, before you decide pally threat is 'ezmode'. If you can pick up the adds at the start of a fight then yes, pallies have it great, if adds spawn mid fight when healers can be dropping massive heals to generate threat, dps can have AoE already occurring as adds spawn etc then, for example, shockwave comes into a realm of its own thanks to the stun and frontloaded threat vs the greater threat over time but initial low threat from consecrate.