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    I like it, I was just considering going with those leather boots myself. I'm issues with rawr, its telling me that my current boots are more dps but that doesnt make sense

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rlyskilled
    Valks don't spread out. They choose a person and make a straight line towards the edge. They go in the path that gets them to the edge the quickest.

    If you do Valks correctly, if everyone in the raid stands where they're supposed to stand then you will not have a problem with Valks going off in seperate directions. The only time Valks should not be together is if you have warlocks assigned to stand off in a corner somewhere with a demonic teleport up as Valk bait.
    The group assigned to kill Valks is everyone. I personally don't think there's enough time between Valks and defiles to keep a 5 stack of SoV up on the Lich King. Excessive seal swapping is also bad for this encounter, considering how long it is. If your raid needs your SoV stacks ticking on the Lich King to get him to 40% in a timely manner there are larger problems at hand.

    But that's just my two cents.
    Oh, we use the same strat. And in some situations; you're right. The valks stay grouped. (I also am fully aware of how the Valk mechanic works. :P I've killed him too ya know. ) HOWEVER if someone is even REMOTELY off the stacked group, then after a few seconds of walking they could be spread enough away from the other valks such that they're no longer cleavable. Same applies to hunters and to valks coming down when defile comes out just before valks.

    Additionally; by groups I meant have certain melee assigned to each valk for the purposes of DPS and slows/stuns. If you're just having people randomly attack valks then I'd question how you're able to get to phase 3 if even one valk happens to head off at another angle. :P

    We have ~20 sec between valk packs come down to DPS LK... that is PLENTY of time to make SoV useful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryevin
    Here's me!
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    I like it, I was just considering going with those leather boots myself. I'm issues with rawr, its telling me that my current boots are more dps but that doesnt make sense
    Might be because you're already expertise capped with the glyph. You won't need the boots. Your gear overall is decent; you need TAJ so you can swap out that god awful cloak. ^_^ Then you could swap to the leather boots easily enough!

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    Quote Originally Posted by EndGame
    Might be because you're already expertise capped with the glyph. You won't need the boots. Your gear overall is decent; you need TAJ so you can swap out that god awful cloak. ^_^ Then you could swap to the leather boots easily enough!
    even when I dropped the glyph I wasnt getting any extra dps. I plan on getting Taij. I have to see one drop first (bad luck so far I guess).

    That cloak fits in nicely right now with my stats. I plan to get the one you have if no agi classes need it or get the one off of rotface.

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    I did edit out Valk mechanics right after I posted, I felt it was kind of snooty considering.

    We have a pretty good rotation for slows/stuns, I save my hammer for oh shit moments if a Valk does begin to wander due to positioning. We often just go by the marks that are thrown out on the Valks as the DPS order, it isn't really willy-nilly, but they don't live long enough for SoV to be better than SoC and I like the added utility of the cleave.

    I lean more towards Valk cleavage (lul) in this phase than putting in big numbers on Mister Menethil. Sure he could get to 40% a few seconds earlier but I prefer trying to ensure our raid members don't get flung into oblivion. Really just depends on what your raid is stronger at as a whole I guess.

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    i agree 100%
    we have slowers and stunners assigned to each valk but everybody else aoes them down.
    if your raid knows how to position then they will spread at no more than 1-2°.

    but what i'm actually trying to say is that there ARE fights thar require to use something else than sov and me (and my guild) think it's better to perform at 95% on every fight than at 100% on the most but 70% at some (numbers pulled out of my a.. obviously, but i hope you get my point).
    and again: i'm not taling about dps or dmg done, i'm talking about doing what's needed in certain situations.
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    Oh I agree wholeheartedly. I swap to SoC during Sindragosa's air phases and cleave the balls out of ice cubes, and swap out glyph of consecration on Putricide in favor or glyph of SoR for oozes.

    I think a lot of the fun of ICC has been testing different seals and figuring out what's best for which fight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rlyskilled
    Oh I agree wholeheartedly. I swap to SoC during Sindragosa's air phases and cleave the balls out of ice cubes, and swap out glyph of consecration on Putricide in favor or glyph of SoR for oozes.

    I think a lot of the fun of ICC has been testing different seals and figuring out what's best for which fight.
    That's the key for me... especially for something like valks. Seal swapping is so much easier to do than to try and just stick with one seal. In some cases (like Putricide) it's just easier (and MORE dps) to stick to SoV. But swapping to SoC as valks come down, throwing up HW to stun, then cleaving the crap out of them with SoC is amazing. Swap back to SoV as I run back to LK. In some cases; my stack didn't even drop.

    I'd never sink-hole myself into using one seal per fight; I am constantly switching so long as mana doesn't become an issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EndGame
    That's the key for me... especially for something like valks. Seal swapping is so much easier to do than to try and just stick with one seal. In some cases (like Putricide) it's just easier (and MORE dps) to stick to SoV. But swapping to SoC as valks come down, throwing up HW to stun, then cleaving the crap out of them with SoC is amazing. Swap back to SoV as I run back to LK. In some cases; my stack didn't even drop.

    I'd never sink-hole myself into using one seal per fight; I am constantly switching so long as mana doesn't become an issue.
    i never switch seals on PP. i always use SoCorr. with t he right tactic (and dodging choking gas) i can keep my dps as high as 7k on the fight.

    but anyway...im still sort of interested in the dps increase of deathbringer's will trinket. think ill need it the next time it drops :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by iktankniet
    but anyway...im still sort of interested in the dps increase of deathbringer's will trinket. think ill need it the next time it drops :P
    grats you lost my respect!
    +20 dps (thats if the star align and give you the right proc)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nienniora
    grats you lost my respect!
    +20 dps (thats if the star align and give you the right proc)
    as i read it correctly, ret paladins will get 3 certain buffs. haste, crit and strength. haste(with taiaj) and strength proc are good. crit is less good.

    when i put the data in rawr with my own paladin, it provides me with a dps increase close to 100 dps over greatness trinket. rawr has been wrong before, so it might turn out to be higher. but maybe i am wrong. at least i tried it then.

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    Re: Rate The Ret Paladin Above You

    Quote Originally Posted by iktankniet
    as i read it correctly, ret paladins will get 3 certain buffs. haste, crit and strength. haste(with taiaj) and strength proc are good. crit is less good.

    when i put the data in rawr with my own paladin, it provides me with a dps increase close to 100 dps over greatness trinket. rawr has been wrong before, so it might turn out to be higher. but maybe i am wrong. at least i tried it then.
    i find the trinket unreliable because of that.. 3 proc of crit = sad panda
    haste is not bad but i think AP/str proc are better

    (joke for the respect part :P)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nienniora
    i find the trinket unreliable because of that.. 3 proc of crit = sad panda
    haste is not bad but i think AP/str proc are better

    (joke for the respect part :P)
    ah joke? good thing you said so before i started to swing my banhammer ;D

    but anyway..i just want to have more haste without wasting 60 badges on herkuml trinket. its proven that such trinkets rarely work for ret paladins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iktankniet
    ah joke? good thing you said so before i started to swing my banhammer ;D

    but anyway..i just want to have more haste without wasting 60 badges on herkuml trinket. its proven that such trinkets rarely work for ret paladins.
    more haste?
    http://www.wowhead.com/?item=50727 that would be perfect xD
    can i haz one 2? (at least the normal version, damn i love polearm!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nienniora
    more haste?
    http://www.wowhead.com/?item=50727 that would be perfect xD
    can i haz one 2? (at least the normal version, damn i love polearm!)
    ye im just trying to get a huge amount of haste and see how that goes, just for fun

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    Quote Originally Posted by iktankniet
    ye im just trying to get a huge amount of haste and see how that goes, just for fun
    Go pug ToC and get DV. :P It's better than greatness and war totem!

    I'd take bloodfall; probably because no one was really wants it. (Our hunters and ferals want arp). Then bloodfall can hold me over until shards start a'droppin' more and I get shadowmourne. (12/50)

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    Quote Originally Posted by iktankniet
    ye im just trying to get a huge amount of haste and see how that goes, just for fun
    So I got my 4pc Sanctified last night and also [Anub'ar Stalker's Gloves]. With all of the rearranging of my gear I gained ~130AP, lost 1% haste, and basically everything else stayed the same.

    As of right now, Rawr is telling me that my yellow gem sockets(4Str) should be Str/Haste and that gemming pure Str is better than making the bonus with 10Str/10Crit. Ughh!! The crit threshold is hella annoying because it's gonna cost me a serious chunk of gold to stay min/max'd by Rawr standards. Replaced two of my Str/Crit gems last night alone(gems that were in gear I already had).

    As far as the Putricide thing goes, I was able to pull 8300 (7700(e)) on him last night. The one time I got hit with Choking was right as he cast Tear Gas before going into his final phase. Effectively, I only had ~2 seconds of debuffed time spent attacking him. Probably would have been a bit higher had I not gotten targeted by an Ooze and lost a stack. Little green bastards!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cellot
    One of the better geared paly's I've seen on these forums.

    You have the bracers that refuse to drop for me :P

    My only qualm is with your cloak; terrible terrible cloak for ret. If you're short on expertise; glyph for it or even gem for it. Go for gunship or festergut cloaks.

    9/10 just for that cloak, otherwise, exceptionally well done.

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    Re: Rate The Ret Paladin Above You

    Quote Originally Posted by EndGame
    Go pug ToC and get DV. :P It's better than greatness and war totem!

    I'd take bloodfall; probably because no one was really wants it. (Our hunters and ferals want arp). Then bloodfall can hold me over until shards start a'droppin' more and I get shadowmourne. (12/50)
    ive tried it for alot of weeks, but it just wont drop for me or im losing on the rolls.. but i do know its better, the droprate is just sucky for me.

    Quote Originally Posted by Prentice
    So I got my 4pc Sanctified last night and also [Anub'ar Stalker's Gloves]. With all of the rearranging of my gear I gained ~130AP, lost 1% haste, and basically everything else stayed the same.

    As of right now, Rawr is telling me that my yellow gem sockets(4Str) should be Str/Haste and that gemming pure Str is better than making the bonus with 10Str/10Crit. Ughh!! The crit threshold is hella annoying because it's gonna cost me a serious chunk of gold to stay min/max'd by Rawr standards. Replaced two of my Str/Crit gems last night alone(gems that were in gear I already had).

    As far as the Putricide thing goes, I was able to pull 8300 (7700(e)) on him last night. The one time I got hit with Choking was right as he cast Tear Gas before going into his final phase. Effectively, I only had ~2 seconds of debuffed time spent attacking him. Probably would have been a bit higher had I not gotten targeted by an Ooze and lost a stack. Little green bastards!!
    i have fleshrending gloves atm, im happy with that

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