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[holkim]

Link is in the Sig

Ahh, I wish that whenever I PuG on my main (which I rarely do), I would have a tankadin as you pulling my mobs. 10/10 on your gear, your gems, and enchants. I would "possibly" exchange your enchant on your MH, as if you go through the numbers, it's really not "that" awesome, at least for the quality of gear you have. But that's a neverending discussion I dont want to get into, as I even see myself applying it sometimes, "just because I can".

And perf specc for tanking, think I'm having the exact same on mine.

All in all, as Borat says; Verry Naaise!

Here is my alt (yes it's an alt, just been lucky with drops):
http://armory.wow-europe.com/charact...Dawn&n=Norasha

EDIT:
Ok, it wasnt exaclty the same specc, but another endless discussion, a nice specc for your preference. I've taken Reckoning, just because it's awesome when I solo farm karazan, and zg for mounts.. :/

[shadowmail]

Nice gear but you should think about getting the new libram from emblems. The almost constant uptime 200 dodge is quite a huge upgrade.


My armory is in my signature. 16 hit gems soon to be replaced with 10 hit/15stam tonight.


@aenema


I use hit gems because of snap threat and to remove RNG from initial pulls. Also improves my TPS considerably even though I usually dont need it.

Armor is the single most important stat as it lowers ALL incoming physical damage to you.

I dont use blood draining for a couple of reasons. Blood draining comes into effect at 35% in a certain situation that may comes into effect at a bad time and bring me back up to 36% lets say. Now I just lost 30% damage reducution for the next attack which could be kill me.
Also I like the extra avoidence/damage/threat that bladeward provides.

[aenema]

i think hit would help you more than the extra defense

mine is http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sh...retold&gn=iWar

A few comments about my toon:
I can't change the shield in anyway because i don't raid at all.
I should maybe change libram and some glyphs
I will get today the Emblem of triumph shoulder which will make me change the def+stamina gem in head to hit+stamina and the boots gem from stamina to hit+stamina(i really feel necessary to stay around hit cap)
My talent spec suits me fine for the moment since i don't raid

please rate the gearing if possible

Why would I trade more avoidance (dodge,parry,block,miss) for some more threat when I'm not even close to threatcapping the DPS? I usually have a 30% lead 10 seconds in to the fight and maintain that or raise the lead during the fight, havent had threatproblems since i got my first naxx gear really.


@Shadowmail
I dont really see why you need hit gems tbh, are you threatcapping dps? Also I would personally choose another cloak enchant, preferrably agility. Each to his own though, just get more mileage with agility than you do a static 225 armor.
On the MH, if your going for EH/TTL I'm quite sure Blood Draining will be more usefull to you, seeing as your stack stam purely.
This is a personal preference, but i rather have mixed stats for most types of tanking actually. Going for socket bonuses and mixing EH with avoidance

As usual the armory is in sig

[zahoan]

Your gearing is ok for your level, but:
Don't enchant Parry on gloves Agi or Stamina or (Str) or (Hit) are the way to go.
Touched by the Light is better than Reckoning move 2 points here.
2 points in Vindication are really nice to have move 2 points out of Seals of the Pure to get it!

well i took the enchant for the threat increase, because at this moment i have threat issues. Anytime i do a voa or even 5 men instances i usually run with ex raiding colleagues who are still raiding and they pull aggro from me too easy. I may not be able to compare with their gear but i at least try and do my best on threat so they can do the best dps and make faster runs.
I studied a little more the talent advices you gave me and i decided to modify my spec on something that will bring me about 5% more threat:
-5 SoTP(rank0/5)
-2 Reckoning(rank3/5)
-1 SA(rank1/2)
+2 Touched by the Light(rank3/3)
-1 Improved Judgements(rank1/2)
+1 Imp BOM(rank1/2)
+3 Conviction(rank3/5)
+3 Crusade(rank3/3)

Thoughts about spec: donno how will i handle the mana with 1/2 SA in 5 men where i don't need to much heal anyway and if mob is using spell dmg i don't benefit from Sanctuary either. Looking close to vindication i consider it somehow useless for me, because where i run i don't have problems with too much dmg taken and if i (rarely)do a raid there is always a warrior there so i prefer a little threat increase from Conviction. Crusade no comment is just good threat.
From what i saw, the new items on emblems have lot of threat statuses so i may have to chill with this problem i have FTM.

Thanks for all the input, it made me rethink my build
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#sZV0xA0uGusIufdxsohbc

[hephij]

no armory so dunno lol:<<<

http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sh...&n=Happybucket

[Ramalaf]

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...lade&n=Ramalaf


Curious to see what you all think of... ignore the 2 exp/stam gems , probably going to eithe rput pure stam or dodge/stam in those.

[Nillo]

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...lade&n=Ramalaf
Curious to see what you all think of... ignore the 2 exp/stam gems , probably going to eithe rput pure stam or dodge/stam in those.

9/10
Good Spec, but DivGuardian > Reckoning imo.
Parry on gloves sux balls. (Agi > (hit) > Stam >> Parry imo).

And you really ought to replace those Exp gems with Agi/Stam or Dodge/Stam ~

Link in Sig

[NathSB]

I'll keep in mind all the things you said about just starting to play him again, but.....6/10

Epic defense gems will allow you to get more defense per socket, allowing you to gem for something better. Also, you have no defense rings, which would also keep you def capped, so you could gem better stuff. Spec isn't bad, just not optimal, imo. Glyphs are a bit odd when you think of your spec. If youre going with 2/2 SA and the DP Glyph, there really should be no mana problems and your Glyph of ShoR is being wasted. Def cap is certainly important, as we can tell from you gemming for it. All that said plus the fact that you havent played much, 6/10 aint that bad.


My armory in my sig.

Edit: Fuck me. I logged out in my ret stuff. Can't change, I'm at work.

Got quite a few upgrades now, and better gems. Problem is I have 1g at average at the end of the day, and can't always afford the epic gems. Don't have access to many dailies either, as I'm not yet champion at the Argent Tournament.
Oh, and I honestly expected a much lower rating than you gave me, and thanks alot for the feedback. Both yours and Lu... lumnights? Can't remember your nick xD

[aenema]

@aenema


I use hit gems because of snap threat and to remove RNG from initial pulls. Also improves my TPS considerably even though I usually dont need it.

Armor is the single most important stat as it lowers ALL incoming physical damage to you.

I dont use blood draining for a couple of reasons. Blood draining comes into effect at 35% in a certain situation that may comes into effect at a bad time and bring me back up to 36% lets say. Now I just lost 30% damage reducution for the next attack which could be kill me.
Also I like the extra avoidence/damage/threat that bladeward provides.

@Shadowmail

Well if you feel you need it ofc you can use em I've never noticed a need though, if both HoR, AS and Judge miss initially I'll be one unlucky paladin :P

And you are true in that Armor is one of the most important parts of mitigating physical dmg, Although if you look at all the bosses where Tank Death is most common, hc TotC on ze impaler, Ignis for example, in those cases its not mitigated physical dmg that kills you, thus Armor does NOTHING.. Also Sarth 3d is a good example where physical mitigation is useless.

Furthermore when it comes to the AD range I think you should reread how it works in 3.2.. It now reduces everything below 35% even if its a hit from full health.
Say you have 45k health, you get hit for 35k. AD hits in at 15k this means that 5k of the hit will be mitigated by AD.

Thus the Blood Draining is still alot more usefull in a TTL perspective

[hephij]

@ Rodar because the other two aren't rating lolol:

Not a big fan of the agi/sta and str gems, and the few blue gems you have.
Shoulder, chest, gloves, weapon, shield enchants are MEH
Bit low HP imo

Like the spec though!

6.5/10

[iglocska]

@ Rodar because the other two aren't rating lolol:

Not a big fan of the agi/sta and str gems, and the few blue gems you have.
Shoulder, chest, gloves, weapon, shield enchants are MEH
Bit low HP imo

Like the spec though!

6.5/10

Very nice in all aspects besides the holy shield libram. Lose it, get obstruction or the new triumph one.

9.5/10

[TheeZ]

Loose Benediction point, get real shoulder enchant, otherwise looks pretty decent. 8/10

I went for Benediction because I of the reduced mana costs and for there not being a other place to stick it in.

No pun intended.

[syvas]

@ aenema

Dodge is really nice, you must be hitting past 30% in raids with the libram proc?
Good choices of proffs. Just a thought but as a JC would using the Figurine Monarch Crab be a better idea then the Blackheart? Sure the Blackheart's proc is really nice, but an extra 2 gems might be worth it?
Though I know it's acceptable for a tank to enchant and gem agility, I can't help but feel it would be better spent on other enchants/gems.

Your spec is alright, in my eyes it's kinda iffy, you seem to have really tried for extra dps/threat?
Not sure why you specced into vindication, rather then stuff like divine guardian or the last point in spiritual attunement when those would be more helpful.

But yeh, I'm going to say 8/10

My link is: http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sh...=Syvas&gn=Lana

[Nillo]

Good choices of proffs. Just a thought but as a JC would using the Figurine Monarch Crab be a better idea then the Blackheart? Sure the Blackheart's proc is really nice, but an extra 2 gems might be worth it?

My link is: http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sh...=Syvas&gn=Lana

Monarch crab gives 123 vs 126 from black heart so they're close.
7/10 to you because:
Spec/Glyphs are meh: Get vindication instead of Divinity and replace Consecration (worst glyph for prot) with Divine Plea (best Glyph for prot ~_~)
Wasting item budget by enchanting for full Stam and having a +20 def gem in your helm doesn't feel right.

@ Rodar
Not a big fan of the agi/sta and str gems, and the few blue gems you have.
Shoulder, chest, gloves, weapon, shield enchants are MEH
Bit low HP imo

Too much focus on stamina is meh as well: (tanking Northrend Beast 25 H without cds is enough for me :>)
18 stam on gloves / 18 stam on shield and not taking a + 12 socket bonus is lots of wasted budget imo but everyone can have his own way imo.

[aenema]

@ aenema

Dodge is really nice, you must be hitting past 30% in raids with the libram proc?
Good choices of proffs. Just a thought but as a JC would using the Figurine Monarch Crab be a better idea then the Blackheart? Sure the Blackheart's proc is really nice, but an extra 2 gems might be worth it?
Though I know it's acceptable for a tank to enchant and gem agility, I can't help but feel it would be better spent on other enchants/gems.

Your spec is alright, in my eyes it's kinda iffy, you seem to have really tried for extra dps/threat?
Not sure why you specced into vindication, rather then stuff like divine guardian or the last point in spiritual attunement when those would be more helpful.

But yeh, I'm going to say 8/10

My link is: http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sh...=Syvas&gn=Lana

@Syvas
Well due to Diminishing Returns on both dodge, def, miss and parry I actually get more bang for my buck with Agility rather than Dodge or Parry. This is due to me being over the cap for diminishing returns really, also i get some threat and armor from agility which is never bad.

Also regarding the Monarch Crab. I'm using both in my EH set, boosting me to about 36k unbuffed health. But for general tanking I prefer 1 dodge trinket and 1 stam trinket, which in this case is the Heart. And thats purely because of the lovely proc it has


Regarding my spec, its the regular Cookie Cutter spec 53/18. EVERY tankadin doing 10 mans should have Vindication now after 3.2. This is due to it being te same kind of debuff as Demoralizing Roar or Demoralizing shout. Only difference is that we do not have to waste a GCD on it. Try doing Heartbreaker without it mate Not something I would recommend. And furthermore this being a Threat spec purely I wouldnt say so, If i was going for threat only I'd spec into other talents really. And regarding only having 1 in SA.. Well what can I say, the things I'm tanking nowadays hit hard enough for me to always stay at 80% or more mana. So no need for max SA.

[Khrashdin]

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...al&n=Khrashdin

Note: I have Divine Sacrifice and Divine Guardian as I am the only Paladin in our 10man Strict Guild.

[Nillo]

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...al&n=Khrashdin

Note: I have Divine Sacrifice and Divine Guardian as I am the only Paladin in our 10man Strict Guild.

Speccing into Divine guardian is the way to go anyway :P
The only thing i can find is the enchant on your gloves. Hit does a lot more for threat (and works on taunts, which is the only thing that needs to "hit"), and agi or stamina are better for survivability.

[Zood]

http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sh...agnaros&n=Zood

[Megatwan]

http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sh...agnaros&n=Zood

obviously youre pro as such your unbuffed hp makes me wet

why not trade seals of the pure for vindication and crusade though? ive been gone awhile but isnt vinidcation good since 3.2 like shout/roar etc and crusade provides a bigger dmg/threat boost anyway?

also, reckoning vs divine sac/guardian? even if you mt 99% of the time, when the ot taunts cause u have 2-3 stacks of a debuff bubble/sac and mitigate 10s if not a 100 thousand raid dmg. > un-needed dps/threat imo


Heres mine: http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...lla&n=Megatwan

confessions:
-i came back to the game about 3 weeks ago, i dont wanna hear poop about my cloak lol
-SA glyph is poop but i was farming heroics and pally threat is lol without the expertise atm anyway. ill probly be grabbing the salv one for another cd soon
-might trade purple sockets for agil/stam instead of dodge/stam
-t9 gloves are next

[Ishva]

obviously youre pro as such your unbuffed hp makes me wet

why not trade seals of the pure for vindication and crusade though? ive been gone awhile but isnt vinidcation good since 3.2 like shout/roar etc and crusade provides a bigger dmg/threat boost anyway?

also, reckoning vs divine sac/guardian? even if you mt 99% of the time, when the ot taunts cause u have 2-3 stacks of a debuff bubble/sac and mitigate 10s if not a 100 thousand raid dmg. > un-needed dps/threat imo


Heres mine: http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...lla&n=Megatwan

All in all, your spec / gear is very standard and very nice ill give you 7.5/10
Ive been experimenting allot lately, and the spec you are telling the pala above you is wrong - is atleast for me - right aswell. I play with superhardcore nukers and i need every bit of threat i can have in totc if i am to keep up with them. And for optimal threat/survivability balance, atleast at my gear lvl, i find my currrent spec is optimal. This is subject to debate ofcourse - but i´d like you to try it, and see how it works for you

Me : http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sh...indoun&n=Ishva

On a side not - I swap between glyph of RD and glyph of SoV pending on fight and mood, the other glyphs remain the same. I also swap between using Royal seal of king stamina with Eitriggs Dodge fest.