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[Stoan]

Looks good to me, all these new pally tanks get it easy. I wish I could have done heroics and got Ulduar gear. By the time the fix came out I had all the gear I wanted to buy, now I have to get Triumph stuff and I don't play everyday so it takes forever.

Red Sword of Courage is still a pretty hoss weapon.

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...in&n=Pureheart

[Ylera]

@Jantimirlol:

Not a spec I'd personally use (Conviction+Crusade are better threat than Seals of the Pure, and the points in Reckoning and Vindication seem like 4 wasted points to me).

Gear is okay, enchanted correctly, although a Expertise/def gem? Consider the 60 Emblems of Valor bracers, although you're over the hit cap as it is, especially considering you're Draenai.

Also, you're at 27 Expertise. You're capped, so Glyph of Seal of Vengeance is pretty redundant. Consider swapping it out for Glyph of Judgement or even Hammer of Righteousness if you do a lot of heroics.

6/10 for these reasons, gl.



Prot is my offspec. Constructive criticisms welcomed. I swap the JC trinket for Lavanthor's Talisman for heroics (for 100% block+avoidance).

[Sillaria]

Just a quick question, as I noticed you're gemming agi/stam in red sockets. What's the comparison vs str/stam gems if you don't need expertise... or compared to dodge? Also, 2/2 Vindication would help if there's no other ap reductions, but as it's your offspec, I don't think I'd worry too much.

9.5/10

My link:
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...ner&n=Sillaria

[Ylera]

Just a quick question, as I noticed you're gemming agi/stam in red sockets. What's the comparison vs str/stam gems if you don't need expertise... or compared to dodge? Also, 2/2 Vindication would help if there's no other ap reductions, but as it's your offspec, I don't think I'd worry too much.

9.5/10

My link:
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...ner&n=Sillaria

Ah yes, I was wrong about Vindication.

Agi/stam gems provide more effective health and avoidance now compared to dodge/stam or str/stam afaik. I think it's pretty borderline whether it's better than dodge/stam though. I think I'd go for str/stam in a block heavy/threat set (especially with the 3.2.2 changes), but I'm juggling so many gear sets as it is I decided against having more than 1 tank set (just the trinkets, as said).

[Deathnar]

Agi = More armor (NOM NOM), more dodge, and crit.

Str = More block, more threat... (you are a paladin, you don't need to gem str to get more threat, you should be able to hold boss even naked.

[Aknot]

Oh what the heck.

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...&n=Plavalaguna

I play casually. I run when I can.

[chikentonite]

http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sh...&n=Pandaburger

+ the pvp shoulder enchant putting me at def cap.

This is just an alt. however any advice would be welcomley recieved.

[Nillo]

http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sh...&n=Pandaburger

+ the pvp shoulder enchant putting me at def cap.

This is just an alt. however any advice would be welcomley recieved.

Hm well:
Enchant your items: Def on Cloak, Hit/Agi/Stamina on gloves, Stamina on boots.
Change your spec: Conviction is pretty bad get Vindication and Crusade instead. Benediction is useless as well you need at least 1 point in Judgements and HotC can be nice to have as well.
Learn 96969 Rotation. (6 = SotR,HotR 9= HS,Judge,Cons)

[Nillo]

Oh what the heck.

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...&n=Plavalaguna

I play casually. I run when I can.

Don't gem for attackpower use either Agi+Stam or Dodge+Stam in red slots
Spec is bad / Glyphs are all useless : Use this Spec/Glyph: http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?pala...9eYb,Hrw,10433

[kakefarmer]

@ Nillo's post: 9/10
Spec, gear and gemming really good
Seeing u have 561 def, personally i would change the def gems to some other version of stam+avoid gems.
Also, change the cloak enchant to agility instead of defense, and on chest change it to +10 all stats...

My armory: http://armory.wow-europe.com/charact...gramar&n=Cynia
I've been a sucker for stam gems for a while and i'm also too cheap to buy epic gems :P
Also, my spec and glyphs may be out of date, but at the level i tank, it dont really matter since i dont have aggro issues...

[FroggyChaos]

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...n=Punkybruiser

Oh gawd don't look at my professions lol I'm lazy!

[aenema]

Looks quite good to me, although I would work on the professions *grins*
Also change the yellow gem in your headslot to defense+stam
Change your shoulder gem to get the socket bonus, it will give you better overall bonus than just stam.
change your chest enchant to either defense or stats, since 275 health doesnt scale whatsoever
Lastly change that gem in your sword to def+stam aswell

http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sh...lfire&n=Aenema

[blondie]

Switch out your Agi-Stam gem for a dodge-stam gem. Otherwise looks fine

http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sh...ght&n=Snivvles

I wont bother with Sons rep
also, yes I have some blue quality gems >.< it's expensive to switch them out.

[aenema]

Switch out your Agi-Stam gem for a dodge-stam gem. Otherwise looks fine

http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sh...ght&n=Snivvles

I wont bother with Sons rep
also, yes I have some blue quality gems >.< it's expensive to switch them out.

Why would I do that when I'm already at heavy DR on Dodge?, I get more use of agi+stam due to it also giving armor and crit.

http://maintankadin.failsafedesign.c...l-out-of-dodge

well looks decent although i would switch some gems out,, mainly for epic, like you stated you wont do, just start with your item you'll replace last and go down the list in a comfortable pace.

considering your gearing lvl and range, i give you 7/10


EDIT: armory in sig as always.

[Aknot]

Don't gem for attackpower use either Agi+Stam or Dodge+Stam in red slots
Spec is bad / Glyphs are all useless : Use this Spec/Glyph: http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?pala...9eYb,Hrw,10433

Thanks. A few questions.

1. Why in the world would I want my healer(s) to have to work harder in using Divine Sacrifice? Wouldn't it be better to have them work easier with Divinity?

2. I don't think I have ever used Seal of Vengeance or Corruption.... while tanking.

3. Hammer Glyph while I use it when it is up Ive never had an issue where im not keeping multiple mobs attention.

Again in 5 and 10 mans as MT all the way to Uld I have no issue holding aggro and or dying much. 25 I'm usually OT.

Again I appreciate the reply but would like some insight (if possible) as to why. Best way for me to learn. Thanks

Just noticed profile has fishing pole. I have:

http://www.wowhead.com/?item=37401
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=39344

As Sword options and:

http://www.wowhead.com/?item=39276
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=42508

as Shield options.

[Leyrana]

Well, Eitrigg's Oath is not as good as it may sound. It takes time to build up, so the uptime of the full 5stacks is rather short. You are also heavy on dodge, so you might want to consider exchanging it for the blue JC Trinket, which is still pretty good for max stam.
I would also switch the agi/stam gems for dodge/stam(if you geht rid of eitrigg's) or parry/stam.
Lose the Glyph of Judgement(unless you have massive problems holding aggro) an get Glyph of Salvation.

Talents....first why didn't you get Pursuit of Justice? It sounds meh...but it's really importent when it comes to movement!
Divinity is also kind of an must have. 5% more healing income is always nice to have.
I'd suggest you lose the 3 points from Crusade an 2 points from Imp.HoJ(there should always be enough kickers in a raid) and put them into Divinity. If someone else can profide the buff, put the 2 points from Vindication into Pursuit or else take 2 points from Conviction.

http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sh...wolf&n=Leyrana

[aenema]

1. Why in the world would I want my healer(s) to have to work harder in using Divine Sacrifice? Wouldn't it be better to have them work easier with Divinity?

Divine Sac+lolbubble = 30% less dmg on the raid as a whole, all in all a great way to reduce incoming raiddmg. Perfect on for example Deconstructor, Hodir frozen blows etc etc.

2. I don't think I have ever used Seal of Vengeance or Corruption.... while tanking.

Whichever seal are you then using? Seal of Corruption is the absolute best seal for tanking hands down, 10 extra Expertise from using it also frees up quite a bit of gearing needs to avoid too many parries/dodges on the boss.

3. Hammer Glyph while I use it when it is up Ive never had an issue where im not keeping multiple mobs attention.

When it comes to bosstanking this glyph is more or less useless, since 98% of the time you only have one target anyway, thus gaining nothing from this glyph, also when it comes to trash aoe, you usually keep threat with HS, conc and hotr while cycling through mobs anyway. thus its a waste of a glyph.

Again in 5 and 10 mans as MT all the way to Uld I have no issue holding aggro and or dying much. 25 I'm usually OT.

Well ofc you wont have much trouble as a paladin, though remember our TPS will go down 5-10% in 3.2.2, this might force you to work harder in order not to lose aggro. Also, even if you arent dying much you can't make sure its due to gear choices or awesome healers in general, you might also have been pure lucky. That is hard to decide

[aenema]

Well, Eitrigg's Oath is not as good as it may sound. It takes time to build up, so the uptime of the full 5stacks is rather short. You are also heavy on dodge, so you might want to consider exchanging it for the blue JC Trinket, which is still pretty good for max stam.
I would also switch the agi/stam gems for dodge/stam(if you geht rid of eitrigg's) or parry/stam.
Lose the Glyph of Judgement(unless you have massive problems holding aggro) an get Glyph of Salvation.

Talents....first why didn't you get Pursuit of Justice? It sounds meh...but it's really importent when it comes to movement!
Divinity is also kind of an must have. 5% more healing income is always nice to have.
I'd suggest you lose the 3 points from Crusade an 2 points from Imp.HoJ(there should always be enough kickers in a raid) and put them into Divinity. If someone else can profide the buff, put the 2 points from Vindication into Pursuit or else take 2 points from Conviction.

http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sh...wolf&n=Leyrana

Interesting thoughts, although me and theorycrafting dont agree with you on most points.

Yes i know the onuse effect of Eitriggs is far from optimal, I have JC gem for Max Stam when needed, also run around with furnace stone for when i want two avoidance trinkets, which is rarely nowadays. Eitriggs and furnace gets switched out depending on trash pull and boss pull. for bosses i generally use furnace+heart or heart+JC trinket.

If you look at the link to the maintankadin thread youll see that what i lose from going dodge -> agility is outweighed by the armor and crit I get from Agility, thus at my gear lvl i have no reason to socket dodge+stam

Regarding Glyph of Salvation, I have never had any use for it, thats why I switched back to glyph of judgement again early in 3.1. Why have a glyph I never use anyway?

Pursuit of justice is in no way mandatory, everyone else can do without speed enhance, why shouldnt we? Ive had no trouble on any boss encounter either in ulduar or TotC without it so no reason to switch to it.

Divinity for a tank is U S E L E S S.. 5% more healing would 99% of the times never let you survive considering the incoming hits from ulduar hardmodes aswell as TotC are in the 20k+ range. thus I will never spec into it, and I do not recommend it to anyone.

Also you say I should remove Vindication.. Why on earth would I do that? Warriors aswell as druids both needs to waste a GCD to apply the same debuff, We do it without thinking. so why is this then a stupid choice? there is nothing in either prot nor ret that are better for either Threat nor TTL.

check out maintankadin..failsafedesign.com if your wondering about talent choices


EDIT: Also, you say I shouldnt worry so much about Threat.. Have you done Hodir hardmode?

EDIT2: Looking over your gear, id say the first thing to change is your gloves enchant, if you need threat both agility and 20hit is better. considering TTL stamina and armor both outweighs the 10 parry you get from that enchant

[Bluerelic]

This sucks, but since i cant rate the guy above me i'll just make a random post and keep the chain going. Only thing I have to say about my gear/spec is no, no i'm not getting Hand of Salv glyph, and for anyone out there thinks its usable for UL hard modes or H ToC, i want screen shots, cause you're a damn liar or your dps sucks balls...

[aenema]

This sucks, but since i cant rate the guy above me i'll just make a random post and keep the chain going. Only thing I have to say about my gear/spec is no, no i'm not getting Hand of Salv glyph, and for anyone out there thinks its usable for UL hard modes or H ToC, i want screen shots, cause you're a damn liar or your dps sucks balls...

why can't you rate me? armory is in sig hehe.

Also I agree completely regarding glyph of salv.