Thread: Threat in 3.2.2

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    Threat in 3.2.2

    I just came back from a 2 month lay off due to my computer being difficult so I havent had a chance to test anything on the PTR. My question is, as a prot paladin, with the changes to seal of veng, righteous fury, and our spell power being determined by our strength instead of our stam is threat generation going to suffer and if so, how much?

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    Re: Threat in 3.2.2

    The Seal of Vengeance change was a bug fix. As for the other changes, they certainly amount to a loss of threat, but I recall seeing a number of EJ posts suggesting that it won't be all that bad.

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    Re: Threat in 3.2.2

    Thank you for the feed back. Looks like I'll be heading over to EJ and see if I can find any such topic.

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    Re: Threat in 3.2.2

    Threat will still be higher than in 3.1 because SoV was a ~10% damage increase and RF is a ~5% aggro reduce + TbtL is only a minor nerf.
    That being said paladins were always extremely high in tps so it doesn't matter at all.
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    Re: Threat in 3.2.2

    the TPS nerf will still leave paladins miles ahead of everyone. If you are really worried about threat still than get a DPS wepaon to tank with. The axe off 10man oni, tankard o terrror, and 10 man anub are all easily attained/bought.
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    Re: Threat in 3.2.2

    I was just curious as to what effect it would have. Like I said I have been away for a while and was interested in how my character would be effected.

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    Re: Threat in 3.2.2

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    dk\\s du moar threat then palas qq -.-
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    Re: Threat in 3.2.2

    Quote Originally Posted by Sorrow_Blast
    cool pic bro!
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    Re: Threat in 3.2.2

    We got more than just a threat nerf in 3.2.2. I know its not that big of a deal.. I just remember the awful days of BC tankadin...Lets not head back towards that mistake again...I'm really kinda let down about this patch..

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    Re: Threat in 3.2.2

    Quote Originally Posted by Willaim
    We got more than just a threat nerf in 3.2.2. I know its not that big of a deal.. I just remember the awful days of BC tankadin...Lets not head back towards that mistake again...I'm really kinda let down about this patch..
    I can say the nerfs are justified. But EH wise druids also need to be nerfed as well. We'll probably see a stamina nerf on next major patch. You shouldn't be worried about tps too much, Hand of Salvation and threat drop tools from dps is there for a reason if you think your current dps can catch you. This only concerns me about the aoe tanking packs (more than 10 mobs) since consecration is not enuf to hold dps' threat, wtb an on-demand aoe skill like shockwave, thunder-clap, howling blast, swipe. Well anyway paladins AoE tanking is more challenging (talking about lots of mobs btw not 3 or 6 packs, assume you have more than 10 mobs) but again i has no fear since even in icecrown i am pretty sure we can use holy wrath to close this gap and make our life easier.

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    Re: Threat in 3.2.2

    So I was doing 11k tps straight the hole fight @ kolaron in our 25 raid.
    How? Using Grandeur and the Retri relic... had over 1800spellpower ^^

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    Re: Threat in 3.2.2

    I'm not sure.
    I've been having some weird threat issues tonight.

    Firstly, on Onyxia, tanking whelps. Despite them being on my consecration for well over a minute, some of them were randomly deciding to deaggro, and run onto a mage who wasn't even DPSing them.

    Secondly, ToC. I'm not sure if it's a mage change, or not, but this same mage was putting out, rather consistently, similar threat to mine. Multiple times i had to tell him to back off.... and of course, he didn't listen. While i didn't let him purposely overaggro, he came far too close to it many times.

    Then there's the priest shield bug. Basically, during a tank transisition on Northrend Beasts, i had a shield on me. Of course, the taunt went on, and instead of the boss going to me, he hit the priest who'd shielded me first, before returning to me.

    I think there's a few bugs here, and while i will admit we needed a threat and survivability nerf (AD change brings us on par with other tanks survivability), i think the threat nerf might be bugged itself. I know it was a 10% reduction on RF, but i feel that they might have taken it a little too far and taken it down by 20-30% or so. Our threat isn't subpar, but i do feel that there's some issues that need to be patched/hotfixed.

    I wasn't bothered by the nerfs. I don't want to be overpowered. But i just hope that something is bugged along the way, and that this 20-40% threat loss i've witnessed tonight isn't intentional.
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    Re: Threat in 3.2.2

    Well, I havent had a chance to get on and tank anything else since the patch, been busy past few days irl, I did do an ony10, and with consec and bombs (engi) I couldnt keep threat on anything that didnt get HotR'd to save my life.

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    Re: Threat in 3.2.2

    Quote Originally Posted by Chronalis
    I'm not sure.
    I've been having some weird threat issues tonight.

    Firstly, on Onyxia, tanking whelps. Despite them being on my consecration for well over a minute, some of them were randomly deciding to deaggro, and run onto a mage who wasn't even DPSing them.

    Secondly, ToC. I'm not sure if it's a mage change, or not, but this same mage was putting out, rather consistently, similar threat to mine. Multiple times i had to tell him to back off.... and of course, he didn't listen. While i didn't let him purposely overaggro, he came far too close to it many times.

    Then there's the priest shield bug. Basically, during a tank transisition on Northrend Beasts, i had a shield on me. Of course, the taunt went on, and instead of the boss going to me, he hit the priest who'd shielded me first, before returning to me.

    I think there's a few bugs here, and while i will admit we needed a threat and survivability nerf (AD change brings us on par with other tanks survivability), i think the threat nerf might be bugged itself. I know it was a 10% reduction on RF, but i feel that they might have taken it a little too far and taken it down by 20-30% or so. Our threat isn't subpar, but i do feel that there's some issues that need to be patched/hotfixed.

    I wasn't bothered by the nerfs. I don't want to be overpowered. But i just hope that something is bugged along the way, and that this 20-40% threat loss i've witnessed tonight isn't intentional.
    agree, i got the same problem with whelps, they just run pass consecration and whelps are acting strange, but this may also be caused from consecrations weak nature. I also think that there is really something strange about threat too.

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    Re: Threat in 3.2.2

    I'm still pulling off Warrior's DK's and druids.

    No concerns here.

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    Re: Threat in 3.2.2

    Chron,

    I had an issue with a mage as well. On Coren direbrew of all bosses. He pulled off, was above me, or even with me the entire fight. I thought he got a lucky string of crits, however it happened on the next summon as well and later in the night in ToC. It's the same mage all the time, and a hunter in ToC also was very close to me. He was always high in threat before the nerf, but never something I worried about. I have dropped several pieces of gear for upgrades that have caused my hit to drop to around only 2%. I know we don't need much hit as pally tanks, but I replaced 3 items that all had hit within the last few days, which lost me about 3% hit. I thought this, coupled with our RF nerf might have been the issue, but as you said, it could be a bit larger of a nerf than what was intended. I'm inclined to agree.
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    Re: Threat in 3.2.2

    My threat feels really bad since the patch, the nerf is compounded by the fact that i've been losing tps stats by the bucketload in the move from t8 to t9. In ulduar I was easily hitcap, and a buttload of BV plus the 4 set proc and subsequently was miles in front on threat compared to other tanks. If I were nerfed then I would completely understand it.

    For T9 almost all my hit is gone, replaced with largely useless expertese, i've lost the 4set proc and a whole bunch of passive BV too. Coupled with the nerfs, i'm now slightly behind our warrior when i'm tanking, and quite a long way back when i'm not. It feels like blizz is nerfing us based on ulduar TPS, but hasn't properly considered the crappiness of the T9 for threat, hopefully T10 will be better itemised.

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