Raid leaders, would you invite an Impure hybid?

[somekidnameddon]

I was wondering, I find Dpsing on my Paladin boring, but I don't think i can handle the the task of healing. (Even if you say its easy, i don't think i want to do it.) So I have been wondering, ever since i saw a forum about a rogue(?) complaining about how a Ret paladin wouldn't heal him.

So i was wondering, if i speced into holy/ret, would i be useful in a raid? Im kinda going for being a support class, Buffing, tossing out heals, while doing just enough dps.
i'm thinking something like http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?pala...KKWq_g1,,10482

So would you bring me to make things go smother? Or would you go for none mixed hybrids? Just a thought, i think it would be fun, but ive also never had to deal with leading a raid.

Get what im saying? Or do i need to clarify?

[Sidonis]

This topic clearly isn't about what I hoped it was.

[somekidnameddon]

This topic clearly isn't about what I hoped it was.

Im sorry. What were you hoping for?

[Avey]

I was wondering, I find Dpsing on my Paladin boring, but I don't think i can handle the the task of healing. (Even if you say its easy, i don't think i want to do it.) So I have been wondering, ever since i saw a forum about a rogue(?) complaining about how a Ret paladin wouldn't heal him.

So i was wondering, if i speced into holy/ret, would i be useful in a raid? Im kinda going for being a support class, Buffing, tossing out heals, while doing just enough dps.
i'm thinking something like http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?pala...KKWq_g1,,10482

So would you bring me to make things go smother? Or would you go for none mixed hybrids? Just a thought, i think it would be fun, but ive also never had to deal with leading a raid.

Get what im saying? Or do i need to clarify?

to put simply - no, not bringing a half-ass anything.

To explain -

1. that rogue was an idiot and needs to L2P, OR, the healers do. one or the other but it wasn't you. You signed on to DPS, and thats what you do, if at any point someone makes out like you SHOULD be doing something else, it means someone else is being lazy, or they are terrible at their class.
2. if you are barely healing and barely dpsing etc, then why come? I could replace a dps that does just a bit more, and a healer that does just a bit more and then 9 / 24 man whatever I was leading. and have one less person to worry about rolling on the raid loot. (get my point here?)
3. healing is an art, you either have it or you dont.

My suggestion since you seem to be doubting your pally, is reroll something that you think you would actually enjoy. BUT, *wink, my favorite tank healers are pallies. That's just me though.

[Sevyvia]

If you did this, I would not take you to a raid. If you were in my raid guild and went for this, I'd throw you out so fast you'd have to come back and ask to have your ass back. All you'd accomplish is being terrible at two things, instead of being good at two. Get dual spec, go Holy/Ret. What you're suggesting doesn't work.

[Avey]

If you did this, I would not take you to a raid. If you were in my raid guild and went for this, I'd throw you out so fast you'd have to come back and ask to have your ass back. All you'd accomplish is being terrible at two things, instead of being good at two. Get dual spec, go Holy/Ret. What you're suggesting doesn't work.

this. its what i said. but more concise.

[Taen]

I really like the idea of a support class, something that attends the raid to give out great buffs and then supplements healing or DPS.

But as things stand right now, there's no room in a raid for something like that. So to answer your question, no.

[Nexus2089]

No your gimping yourself and the raid

[somekidnameddon]

to put simply - no, not bringing a half-ass anything.

To explain -

Thank you, that was the exact answer i was looking for. I understand what your getting at, i could easily be replaced. I kinda wish blizzard would make a support class, I like helping people . I wish blizzard would creat a "helper class" per-say, and make the game harder, that way i can casually play (buff raids before they go in) so i can see my more dedicated friends down bosses to get loot. That would be cool.

Oh well, i guesses ill have to finish leveling my rogue, but warriors and elemental shammy look like fun.

I really like the idea of a support class, something that attends the raid to give out great buffs and then supplements healing or DPS.

But as things stand right now, there's no room in a raid for something like that. So to answer your question, no.

Me too And thanks.

[Thyce]

The point of PvE Ret is to deal moderate damage while tossing around subpar heals every now and then, hence the instant FoL & Sheath of Light procs.

You do this by primarily DPSing and putting Hands and FoLs on people when they need it. That part is called Utility.
What you're trying to do, is Ret Healing, aka, Sheath Healers.
They did it with a Ret Spec, not a hybrid spec.

If you do this & try to DPS, you'll fail miserably, as you don't have Crusader Strike, Divine Storm, Righteous Vengeance, or probably other necessary talents, but I wouldn't know 'cause I promptly facepalmed & closed your talent tree link shortly after opening it.

[chad3d]

I was wondering, I find Dpsing on my Paladin boring, but I don't think i can handle the the task of healing. (Even if you say its easy, i don't think i want to do it.) So I have been wondering, ever since i saw a forum about a rogue(?) complaining about how a Ret paladin wouldn't heal him.

So i was wondering, if i speced into holy/ret, would i be useful in a raid? Im kinda going for being a support class, Buffing, tossing out heals, while doing just enough dps.
i'm thinking something like http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?pala...KKWq_g1,,10482

So would you bring me to make things go smother? Or would you go for none mixed hybrids? Just a thought, i think it would be fun, but ive also never had to deal with leading a raid.

Get what im saying? Or do i need to clarify?

go full Ret and do spot heals when the your Art of War procs. That's the best way to do it. That spec you linked made me die a little inside.

[frozenvoid]

No your gimping yourself and the raid

because raids are so hard these days amrite?

[Offhand]

Bastardized, wannabe shockadin specs don't manage 1/2 the healing and 1/2 the dps of a full holy or ret. They just managed to take up a raid slot.

[Ceodoc]

If I were a raid leader, I would have no hesitation taking you......the only thing that would bother me, would be you waiting outside to buff us between tries, I would feel guilty.

[Bathazar]

Impure**

[Iradain]

No dude, that's not usefull to the raid at all. They'd just be carrying you.

[FieldEffect]

classes that provide a good set of buffs for the raid, support classes, the ones that are helpful for something other than output, are inherently gimpped because of that fact, you do not need to try to be "more effective" by essentially gimpping yourself further.

You would do almost no damage in that spec, and almost no healing. The higher tier talents are in a higher tier because they are better for fulfilling their role, and effectively 'harder' to get. (not really harder to get but you need to spend more into one tree).

As a raid leader of an average guild, I would not bring you in that spec... maybe if all our shit was on farm, and we needed a silly mascot.

[Melonberry]

Lol of course no one would invite a "hybrid"

[Baever]

This topic clearly isn't about what I hoped it was.

LOL.

Yeah, I was expecting a semi-elaborate pure vs. hybrids debate/troll.

[Copain]

The majority of the good talents come from the later talents in each tree.

Pretend going next to all Ret Gives- 100% Potential DPS
And
Pretend going next to all Holy Gives- 100% Potential Heals Per sec

Now going a half and half spec neglects the talents needed to do your job.

So instead of 50% damage and 50% healing, you have something around 30%/30%