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    Auction House Guide, Vanish Bugs, Comics

    Vanish Fix in Patch 3.3?
    [blizzquote="Ghostcrawler;http://blue.mmo-champion.com/28/20136596247-fix-vanish-no-more-excuses-gc.html]We have a change for Vanish in place for 3.3. You will get to try it out soon (tm). As promised, if it proves a significant buff to rogues, we may have to compensate elsewhere. Just because it hasn't worked as intended doesn't mean it will be balanced when it does. [/blizzquote"]


    Comics
    Dark Legacy Comic #207 and Teh Gladiators #93 are out.



    Auction House Guide - Introduction and Enchanting
    The last time I posted something that looked like a guide on this site was ... a long time ago. People who know me are aware that a huge part of my activity when I started playing World of Warcraft (or any other MMO actually) was trading and it definitely was something really enjoyable during the early days of the game.

    I eventually stopped trading after reaching something like 15 000 gold (and that was a lot of money back in the days) because I realized that gold wasn't really useful ... I never really had to farm again because I'm not a big spender. A few months ago I started playing again and decided to level all classes to 80 (mostly to make my life easier on the site) and eventually realized that I would have to find 40 000 gold to buy an epic flying mount on all these new chars. This is where I stopped leveling and started to go back to the Auction House ... 4 years after my last sale.

    I apologize for the wall of text, if you want a good reason to keep reading I will just say that I made 125 000 gold in 7 weeks just by doing that. (and probably have an extra 25 or 50 000 gold in reagents sitting in my bank)


    Addons
    You will need addons and there is NO WAY you can survive without them. People who know how to use them will make tons of money, all the others will just wonder why people undercut them so fast. (This is probably the most unfair use of addons in this game in my opinion, but that's just my opinion)

    • The first one you will have to download is obviously Auctioneer, just download the latest release version and install it.
    • The second one isn't very popular yet but is VERY powerful if you know how to use it : Quick Auctions 2.

    Just make sure both addons are installed if you want to follow this guide.


    Risk-free investments
    If you're not comfortable with massive AH trading, there are a few ways to make gold out of the AH without any risk. The best examples are Borean Leather and Cobalt Ore.

    Borean Leather is kinda hard to sell on most servers and can go as low as 30S or 25S on some of them .... That's pretty awesome when you realize that a Nerubian Chestguard takes 12 Borean Leather and sells for 5G 29S to the NPCs .... Yes, that's 44S for each unit of leather. If you buy 25 stacks of Borean Leather for 5G each, you will get 95G just to buy them, go AFK while you craft 41 Nerubian Chestguard, come back to sell them at the closest NPC.

    You can do the exact same thing with Cobalt Ore and Cobalt Bar, a Cobalt Triangle Shield takes 4 bars and sells for 5G54S, that's 1G38S for each bar. In some occasions Cobalt will sell for 1G/unit at the AH and buying 15 stacks at this price will get you 114G just to craft a few shields.

    If you are really lazy, you can just use Auctioneer to automatically scan for items listed below their NPC price to buy them from the AH just to sell them to the closest NPC.

    • Push the arrow at the top of the AH Panel to scan the whole Auction House, it shouldn't take more than a few seconds and it will let you download the data of ALL the items at the Auction House.
    • When the scan is complete go to the Search tab at the bottom of the Panel and go to Searchers > Vendor.
    • Set a value in Minimum Profit (like 10s), checking "Allow Bids" will let you bid on any auction that could yield a profit when it ends and "Allow Buyout" will only scan for profit based on the buyout (if you really want instant cash)
    • Just click Purchase at the bottom of the screen (Holding CTRL + Alt + Shift when you click it will let you purchase all the items at once) and wait for the end of the auctions to grab your items and sell them at the closest NPC

    Just keep in mind that it definitely isn't as profitable as Cobalt or Borean Leather. You will probably do it for a few days because it's fun and eventually realize that the profits are really low because everyone with Auctioneer does it.


    Buying items
    Now that you know what to buy and how much you want to spend, you need a way to do that automatically .... and this is where Auctioneer becomes really useful.

    • Run another full scan by clicking the double arrow at the top of the AH panel
    • Go to the Search tab and Searchers > Snatch

    The Snatch function of auctioneer lets you build a shopping list of all the items you want to buy and the maximum price you want to spend on them. To add an item just :

    • Drag and drop it in the frame
    • Set a price for this item, check "Allow bids" if you want to buy stuff without buyout (Note: I don't do that) and "Allow buyouts" if you just want instant items. (That's the option I use)
    • Push "Search" at the bottom left of the panel

    Auctioneer will automatically list all the items available at this price at the AH, you can just select one and click purchase or just Ctrl + Alt + Shift click Purchase to buy all the results (and this is what you will do most of the time if you have a decent Snatch list)


    It shouldn't take more than a minute or two (scan included) to empty the AH of all the cheap Cobalt / Leather / Eternal Earths etc ...

    Enchanting (and disenchanting)
    Enchanting is a good way to make money, most players do that by sitting in the Trade channel to find people who needs enchants and try to get a few golds for clicking a button but your best bet to make money is ... disenchanting.

    People do not really need gold in WotLK and the AH is full of opportunities for people who want to make a nice profit just by disenchanting stuff, having access to a Jewelcrafter / Blacksmith / Leatherworker will make your life much easier for that.

    The goal here is to buy cheap materials from the AH, craft them into items to make a profit by disenchanting and selling the dusts/essences/shards, I'll split them into three categories:


    The most profitable professions to craft these items are :

    Blacksmithing
    Disenchant from Blacksmithing mostly uses Cobalt Ore, that's a good thing because it's also something you can buy without any risk depending on your server. When you have enough cobalt you can craft :

    • Horned Cobalt Helm and shouldn't cost you more than 10 or 12G in mats, 10G profit.
    • Notched Cobalt War Axe is also a high level essence/dust item but is a weapon and gives one or two Greater Cosmic Essence 75% of the time instead of dusts. This is very important because if you also disenchant items from other professions you will usually run out of essences before you run out of dusts. 10G Profit as well.
    • Deadly Saronite Dirk is also interesting now that the price of Saronite has dropped. If saronite sells for 65S/ore on your server it shouldn't cost you more than 10G to craft this dagger, if Dream Shards are enough it's another 10G profit for each dagger you disenchant.

    Leatherworking
    Borean Leather is also a risk-free material depending on how low it is on your server and let you craft a few more items to disenchant.

    • Arctic Boots is a low-level Dust/Essence item and its crafting cost should be around 2G50S or 3G ... disenchants into 6 or 7G of materials.
    • Dark Iceborne Leggings requires 24 Borean Leather and 5 Crystallized Shadow. Most of the time it won't cost you more than 10 or 12G to craft this item, another 10G profit each time you create an item.

    Jewelcrafting
    Oooooh Jewelcrafting ... What would I do without you. First you will need a LOT of Eternal Earth and Eternal Shadow, then you can buy all the Bloodstone, Chalcedony, Sun Crystal and Huge Citrine from the AH below 1G or 1G50S depending on your economy.


    And we're done with disenchanting! There are a few other items worth disenchanting but the ones I listed above are what I used to make money. You can easily figure out a few more ways to make money out of disenchanting by yourself at this point anyway.

    If you end up crafting a lot of items, you might want to use this macro to disenchant all these items just by pushing one button :

    /cast Disenchant
    /use Bloodstone Band
    /use Crystal Chalcedony Amulet
    /use Sun Rock Ring
    /use Crystal Citrine Necklace
    /use Shadowmight Ring
    /use Dark Iceborne Leggings
    /use Arctic Boots
    /use Notched Cobalt War Axe
    /use Horned Cobalt Helm

    At this point, you can either sell the reagents at the AH or .... make even more profit out of them by selling enchants!

    Selling Enchantments
    Selling reagents directly at the AH isn't a very good idea if you start disenchanting a lot of items because you will eventually crash the prices if you try to sell everything you have. Crafting Scroll of Enchantment is a nice way to get rid of your reagents fast and make an extra profit if you're lucky.

    There is just one simple rule to make sure you don't waste your time, never sell your scrolls for less than the reagents cost, even if it's a way to get rid of them faster the goal here is to make more money, not less.

    This is where you will first use Quick Auctions. This addon will automatically scan the AH and post / cancel your items based on the criteria you set for each one of them, you can also set criterias for multiple items at once but you won't do it for the Scrolls of Enchant.

    First, type "/qa config" and go to General to set a few settings for ALL items, my config is :

    • Undercut by: 10s
    • Treshold Price: 9999g (This is only here to make sure that I don't lose money if I forget to set a price on something). The treshold price is the minimum price required to post an item.
    • Fallback Price: 9999g (Same). The fallback price is the price the addon will use to post the item if you are the only one selling it at the AH.
    • Fallback After: 500% (Same)
    • Bid Percent: 100% (I don't really like the idea of having a much lower bid than a lower buyout, I just keep that to 100%)
    • Post Cap: 3 (Don't flood the market)
    • Items per Auction: 1
    • Post Time: 48 hours

    Now move to the Item groups sub-menu and create a new group for one of the scroll you want to sell, like the one for Enchant Chest - Powerful Stats.

    • Create a new group called "SoE - Chest - Powerful Stats" in the Item groups sub-menu and click the newly created group on your left.
    • Change the Treshold price to the materials price of the enchantment, in this case 4 x Dream Shard (20G each) and Abyss Crystal (50G each) will set your treshold to 280G.
    • Change the Fallback price to 2 x materials price, a 100% margin might seem huge but it works most of the time.
    • Click the "Add item" tab and click the Scroll in the list to add it to the items affected by these settings


    That's it, everytime you click "Post" at the Auction House the mod will automatically scan this item, check if the lowest price is above your treshold, and automatically list it if it's the case. If nobody sells this item the addon will just post it at your fallback price.

    The problem with scroll of enchantments is simple, they all have different reagents requirements and you will have to create an item group for each scroll. It will take one hour of your life and depending on how fast the economy evolves on your server you might have to modify the prices every now and then but that's something I never did in 2 months.

    Calculating the reagent cost of each item will take a little more time .... But I'll be nice and share the spreadsheet I use with you, just change the reagents cost on the right and print the new prices before you go back in game to create all your groups.

    You can download the .xls (Excel) Spreadsheet. (If you don't have Excel, OpenOffice will open it without any problem)


    You will end up with 60 or 70 groups depending on how many enchants you sell, just keep the scrolls in your inventory and go to the AH.

    • Go to the Auctions tab and click "post" at the top of the panel.
    • The addon will scan the auction for all the items that match an item group in your inventory ...
    • After scanning, it will automatically split the stacked items in your inventory and list all of them.


    Here you go, all your auctions are posted and the money will start flowing in your mailbox in a few hours! You can also create an item group to sell reagents at the same time if you want to get rid of them even faster.

    After a few hours, go back to the auction house and push the "Cancel" button at the top of the panel, it will scan all your auctions to check if someone undercuts you. When it's the case, Quick Auctions will automatically cancel the auctions, just run to the nearest mailbox and get your items back before relisting with the "Post" button. Pushing 2 buttons is all it takes.


    When you will have enough money, I suggest that you just keep 5 scrolls of each enchant at all time and restock every few days depending on how fast you sell them. Of course it doesnt apply to weapon enchantment, you shouldn't have more than one of them because immobilizing a lot of money is always a bad idea.

    And I think we're done with Enchanting ... The original plan was to also write something about Inscription but I think I'll wait a few more days before throwing another wall of text at you. See you next week?

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    Re: Auction House Guide, Vanish Bugs, Comics

    Nice guide
    And got to love the soon (tm)! xD

    Btw, do you have any info on engi? just like BS and LW

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    Read the DLC earlier today. I lol'ed

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    Re: Auction House Guide, Vanish Bugs, Comics

    finally fixing vanish!

    Now nerf the sick plate 2h dps while you're at it
    This user has been banned.

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    Re: Auction House Guide, Vanish Bugs, Comics

    We have a change for Vanish in place for 3.3. You will get to try it out soon (tm). As promised, if it proves a significant buff to rogues, we may have to compensate elsewhere. Just because it hasn't worked as intended doesn't mean it will be balanced when it does.
    This is, hard to believe.

    It's almost like it's too good to be true!
    Time will tell I guess...

    I don't see why they consider it a "buff" though.

    Author of: Goggle Cat Comics.

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    Re: Auction House Guide, Vanish Bugs, Comics

    Thanks for the guide.. but you could of just killed the economy of many realms due to the amount of people who use this site.
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    Holy god @ how much gold the person in the SS's has.

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    @Shiikarii: And it wouldn't be a bad thing, I don't really see why a few people who know how to use an addon should have an insane advantage over people who don't ... Addons should be a way to help the player just like in raids, not an I-Win button for instant and infinite gold.

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    Re: Auction House Guide, Vanish Bugs, Comics

    Quote Originally Posted by Boubouille
    an I-Win button for instant and infinite gold.
    Bibi has a working I-Win button. Get him!
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    Re: Auction House Guide, Vanish Bugs, Comics

    Quote Originally Posted by Boubouille
    And it wouldn't be a bad thing, I don't really see why a few people who know how to use an addon should have an insane advantage over people who don't ... Addons should be a way to help the player just like in raids, not an I-Win button for instant and infinite gold.
    I totally agree but if a large amount of people used this guide (which as i said was very detailed and well wrote) it could potentially crash the economy especially on large realms like my own with plenty of gold farmers bringing the prices down as it is. Considering you're such a respected member of the WoW community and you release a guide with proof of how wealthy it made you, players will most likely use it and those who are not used to playing the AH could bring down the prices to quick if their items are being undercut.

    Edit: Grammar.
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    Re: Auction House Guide, Vanish Bugs, Comics

    \o/ Very good guide, Boub.
    Awesomesauce comics too.

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    Re: Auction House Guide, Vanish Bugs, Comics

    Nooo the secrets are out! AH will be messed up for a few months now with people that jump on band wagons.

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    Re: Auction House Guide, Vanish Bugs, Comics

    I use an expanded version of this and make about 2.5-3k a day, i give my guild patterns/items/ench mats/pots brought with the extra gold i have and i'm not greedy when it comes to giving charity gold to other people (i once brought a shammy 6/7 BoE epics just because he was finding the blue --> getting in heroics jump really hard due to achievement requirements.

    However i never posted this freely for people to use. I wanted to, but i appreciate that if everyone does it, then it stops being profitable. Now there will be more demand for materials which will mean higher costs and lower profitability. In short i kept this between friends purely to keep it profitable, i fear you have just made the whole method of making gold a lot less profitable.

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    Re: Auction House Guide, Vanish Bugs, Comics

    While I am glad to see a guide pop up in MMO-C again, I really hope not too many people on my realm take your advice... I've been playing the monopoly game on the AH for the past year with just a few competitors... I might actually have to invest more then 20minutes a day to keep up the 2k daily profits

    then again, idiots will be idiots... you'll always have the group of people auctioning stuff for 10% of its value to take advantage of

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    Re: Auction House Guide, Vanish Bugs, Comics

    Cool ! they're fixing vanish bug

    can i have my blink fix then ?

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    Decent guide - however. Due to the amount of people reading this, every single way of making gold you just posted will most likely be useless for months to come.
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    Re: Auction House Guide, Vanish Bugs, Comics

    Quote Originally Posted by Pontius
    Looks like a little extra gold was photoshopped into the auctioneer window on the last few screenies.
    Now let's play a little game:
    There are 2 clues that give this fact away. What are they?
    No clues that give anything away? The money is in the same position by the pixel in each screenshot, the only money that looks out of place is the "how much all these auctions will cost you" in screenshot 3 where the arrow is pointing, that overlaps a button on its right but is a fault of the addon not a photoshop. What else are you looking at?
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    Re: Auction House Guide, Vanish Bugs, Comics

    Thanks for this, time to Farm cobalt like mad for the next few days, something like this always drives prices skyward on wildhammer.eu
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    Re: Auction House Guide, Vanish Bugs, Comics

    Quote Originally Posted by Boubouille
    @Shiikarii: And it wouldn't be a bad thing, I don't really see why a few people who know how to use an addon should have an insane advantage over people who don't ... Addons should be a way to help the player just like in raids, not an I-Win button for instant and infinite gold.
    u dont need addons to make gold. i never used auctioneer and i made 20k in a 4 days without it, by figure these things out by my self.. if ppl are stupid enough to sell things for 3g when u can craft something for it worth 10 they can only blame themselves imo.. (thats only my opinion)

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    Re: Auction House Guide, Vanish Bugs, Comics

    Quote Originally Posted by bbr
    This is, hard to believe.

    It's almost like it's too good to be true!
    Time will tell I guess...

    I don't see why they consider it a "buff" though.
    Maybe because rogues are balanced around the fact that it does not work? Read the blue posts.
    But the incoming nerf will be sweeeet tho!

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