[Help Me!] The "Fix My DPS" Thread (Read first post before posting)

[Heatuss]

Even with how tentative that seems, it really isn't for the gear he has. Of course, it doesn't help that he's reforged all wrong.

If we are just going to get into a "fix this" discussion I'll move it to the proper sticky, but this is fine for now.

You quit brokrone? =(

[Mushroomkin]

Even with how tentative that seems, it really isn't for the gear he has. Of course, it doesn't help that he's reforged all wrong.

If we are just going to get into a "fix this" discussion I'll move it to the proper sticky, but this is fine for now.

Actually if you can move it to the proper place for a "Fix this", it would be great.
I got the answer I needed regarding the macro, but any constructive advice towards gearing, gemming, reforging or rotation would be great.

[gracfuldeath]

I have a few questions for anyone out there. With the amount of haste that I'm rockin in my destruction spec, Minro@magtheridon US, would the better offspec be affliction because it is more haste friendly, or would it be demo. I usually play destro through my guilds entire progression and was wondering which would be better. We dont have an ele sham and we are only doing 10m. Its about month 1.5 for this progression so we arent very far, but I'm just looking for a little guidance as to what would be the better spec. Hell, I'm even open to aff/demo, but Destro is def my playstyle. I dont have any logs cause I'm at work atm and I won't be able to get any till next week.

Destro/Afflic are pretty friendly paired spec, one min/max isn't the exact min/max for the other, but either way you want a lot of haste. Demo is the lonely child in terms of pairing it with another spec, because generally we try to dump as much of everything into mastery. So if you're talking just what is the better choice without changing gear, it's affliction. If you want what's best for progression...

With the nerf, and as it increases, the 10% sp buff will become less and less "required," but it can still be that umph you need to push over the edge to kill a boss based on your current guild gear. But also, demo is pretty much the spec to be on some fights (like HM Yor), but then again, as the nerf increases, not so much. It basically comes down to how fast you guys end up progressing, mainly in the heroic mode side, but a demo OS is a great thing to have. Only thing is, your guild would need to not care about you leaving to reforge between several fights, since you have to drop all that haste into mastery. My MS is now destro (somehow I like it now, though I've hated it since ICC), with an OS for demo for Yor and Ultrax.

That might have been pretty convoluted, so let me try this way. The only other spec that would make a big difference atm in your progression would be demo, for 10% sp if you needed an umph, or if you're dying to adds on HM Yor. But if you do change to demo mid raid night, you HAVE to reforge.

[Penguin FTW]

Alright done, may be a tad wonky because of how things are combined (chronological order) but w/e

And yeah I'm on hiatus for an indefinite period of time

[minro]

Destro/Afflic are pretty friendly paired spec, one min/max isn't the exact min/max for the other, but either way you want a lot of haste. Demo is the lonely child in terms of pairing it with another spec, because generally we try to dump as much of everything into mastery. So if you're talking just what is the better choice without changing gear, it's affliction. If you want what's best for progression...

With the nerf, and as it increases, the 10% sp buff will become less and less "required," but it can still be that umph you need to push over the edge to kill a boss based on your current guild gear. But also, demo is pretty much the spec to be on some fights (like HM Yor), but then again, as the nerf increases, not so much. It basically comes down to how fast you guys end up progressing, mainly in the heroic mode side, but a demo OS is a great thing to have. Only thing is, your guild would need to not care about you leaving to reforge between several fights, since you have to drop all that haste into mastery. My MS is now destro (somehow I like it now, though I've hated it since ICC), with an OS for demo for Yor and Ultrax.

That might have been pretty convoluted, so let me try this way. The only other spec that would make a big difference atm in your progression would be demo, for 10% sp if you needed an umph, or if you're dying to adds on HM Yor. But if you do change to demo mid raid night, you HAVE to reforge.

Thanks man. This pretty much summed up all of the questions that I had. We are on hard mode progression and I was curious. 10 man rocks for multiple gear sets though... I have the hagara staff and the DW caster dagger, a couple of belts, 2 boots, so i might be able to forge some of those for my haste/destro set and a few other things for my mastery/demo set. I hate setting up new profiles in power auras

[gracfuldeath]

Thanks man. This pretty much summed up all of the questions that I had. We are on hard mode progression and I was curious. 10 man rocks for multiple gear sets though... I have the hagara staff and the DW caster dagger, a couple of belts, 2 boots, so i might be able to forge some of those for my haste/destro set and a few other things for my mastery/demo set. I hate setting up new profiles in power auras

I hate you. We see nothing for dps casters. We've gotten one ring with 6/8HM for caster, the rest is either spirit, or all agility.

As for power auras, I highly recommend Weak Auras over it. So much easier to setup imo, but tons more options, and looks way pretty with the spell icons. But my favorite thing is how you determine when it loads. You can set it to class specific, character name specific, zone specific, group type, etc, or multiple variations of those (like make one for all your pallies and warriors, or all priests and locks, or all classes but a rogue, etc). But my favorite is you can set it for the first, second, or third talent tree (or a combinations of them). Power Auras is simply spec1 or spec2, so if you swap between all three specs and you have some for only demo and you remove your demo spec, you have to manually turn it off. So basically you can make an Aura appear based on EXTREMELY specific circumstances to appearing 24/7.

[minro]

I hate you. We see nothing for dps casters. We've gotten one ring with 6/8HM for caster, the rest is either spirit, or all agility.

As for power auras, I highly recommend Weak Auras over it. So much easier to setup imo, but tons more options, and looks way pretty with the spell icons. But my favorite thing is how you determine when it loads. You can set it to class specific, character name specific, zone specific, group type, etc, or multiple variations of those (like make one for all your pallies and warriors, or all priests and locks, or all classes but a rogue, etc). But my favorite is you can set it for the first, second, or third talent tree (or a combinations of them). Power Auras is simply spec1 or spec2, so if you swap between all three specs and you have some for only demo and you remove your demo spec, you have to manually turn it off. So basically you can make an Aura appear based on EXTREMELY specific circumstances to appearing 24/7.

If it makes you feel any better, I havent seen a decent trinket drop yet. The one i have is garbage. I havent seen any rings drop either.

I've been meaning to start from scratch with my addons. Just redo everything. I'll keep Weak Aura in mind when I do that this week. Thanks for the heads up

[boulder]

As for power auras, I highly recommend Weak Auras over it.

I've read somewhere that Weak Auras takes a lot of more resources (CPU, RAM) compared to Power Auras.
For me I switched to TellMeWhen.... which is really great concerning the possiblities you have ... and also easy to configure for all 3 specs...

[gracfuldeath]

I've read somewhere that Weak Auras takes a lot of more resources (CPU, RAM) compared to Power Auras.
For me I switched to TellMeWhen.... which is really great concerning the possiblities you have ... and also easy to configure for all 3 specs...

I've read two things about it. 1) WeakAuras is less resource intensive, and 2) All that talk about them being resource intensive is wrong and that they're the same. But I've never seen proof for either, except for the latter where someone said "I ran this addon that tests it," which means diddly squat unless you show it w/ computer setup.

Personally, I never felt a difference when switching. But I run on a sucky computer anyways. I'll have to check out TellMeWhen, though I may not switch simply to just avoid setting things up again xD. And now since we're into interface stuff, I'd say we're off topic.

[David Cavalheiro]

\o/ Graceful normally it's you that answer on this thread.

On the other week my guild starts progressing on Warmaster 25 HC, and my dps was pretty ok on 1º phase I was doing around 32-35k.

But since yesterday my place on meters just dropped 3rd-4th for a "strange" 11th-12th yesterday I was doing 22-24k on 1ºphase O.o. Tbh I didn't change my playstyle.


To give some lights, I tried 2 options:

Goriona- BOD and Haunt at the start
Goriona- UA and Haunt at the start

I'm popping my Doomguard right way on 1º melee add with BOD/BOA depends If i let BOD on Goriona( and the 2nd Doomguard on 2nd phase). I'm multi-dot everthing and I have my pet on defensive instead of "assist". He stay all the time on melee, it's pointless to send him to drakes, if you know what I mean, but I'm not sure if I'm doing the right thing.

I simple don't understand why my dps have been drop 10k on some trys! Check my armory dunno if Bottle of Wishes it's the best option for Affliction, still no COC.

PS: Yesterday adds were dying pretty fast.

PSS: Please Help! I'm starting to desesperate :/.

Armory: http://eu.battle.net/wow/pt/characte...dt/Vort/simple

WOL: http://www.worldoflogs.com/guilds/9357/

[Daredalus]

Hi, last night we were doing Warmaster 10N, I was struggling with DPS. I always seem to struggle with my DPS and I don't know why. I read the elitistjerk threads, noxxic and the MMO Champion threads. However no matter what I try I always get weak DPS.

Here is a link to some logs from the fight, I started off as Destruction then went Affliction:
http://worldoflogs.com/reports/oj4c9...e/?s=255&e=402

http://worldoflogs.com/reports/oj4c9...e/?s=691&e=840

http://worldoflogs.com/reports/oj4c9...?s=1590&e=1862

My Armory link:
http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte...rgrim/advanced

If anyone can help me I would be very grateful!

[Heatuss]

@Daredalus
For destro if you decide to continue playing it be sure to get Bane of Havoc up on garona this can be done by standing at the back of the ship close to ledge on the side she spawns.

Be sure that you are keeping dots up on every target at all times, it also looks like your combat mind buff (WoU trink) had a very low uptime in the 4min 32sec log this should be close to 100%. You also might wanna try to see how close you can get to the next haste breakpoint (2589) especially on a fight with so much multi dotting.

[gracfuldeath]

Hm. David. Lots of things to go through, so I'll do me best.

First off: I'd BoD Goriona since it's guaranteed to get a full duration, and BoA everything else. Great idea for the pet, just makes sure he finds a new target if one dies. Sometimes I forget to. I've been destro for the fight, so I have no idea if he runs up and attacks the pulled in drakes, or if he just bugs outs. If he bugs, keep on melee. If he doesn't, then make sure he switches to drakes since they are higher priority.

For you logs, I'm going to look for three logs with three specific things to compare. 1) first night at your highest 2) first night where you then dropped majorly 3) Most recent best tries to see the differences between your first and newest. All with fight length taken in mind.

Logs I'm looking at are Night 1, try 6 as your best. Night 1, try 19 as your biggest drop.

Differences: UA multidotting on both started great, but basically stopped on try 19 and went to single target. There's generally no reason you can't have two going on at once through phase 1. You have both melee adds to put it on, then both drakes when they come in, and when the melee adds die, well you can dot the two new flying drakes as they come by to drop more melee adds.

Biggest difference I see is purely the amount of multidotting you do. Great on the first one, had three sets running at the same time several times, but on the second you had at most two. Realistically, you can have full sets of dots on all four going on at once (dot the drakes as they come in dropping melee adds, then dot the melee adds. Drakes get pulled in about the time their dots would fall off.) and it definitely helps on pushing killing those drakes faster.

Taking Night 3, try 19 as your best on that night. (sad you died on the 6min attempt early :[ )

OMGYES. The multi dotting I was wanting to see on this night. Except you aren't putting up BoA on many targets, only about 1 at a time until after the second half of the attempt. I know there's a lot of multi dotting going on, but try to keep haunt on CD. And get some early damage on Goriona! You know you can stand at the back right wing of the ship (when facing the bubble Thrall is in) to get early dots on her right? The only time I see damage on her is on the attempt I looked at as worst for night 1.




Other notes: Blade rush :x what out for that. BoD Goriona at the start. On second wave of melee adds, put a new BoD on a drake as it passes by to drop melee adds (along with other dots. By this point the BoD on Goriona should have expired), also dotting up the second drake as it comes by to drop its melee add. Personally, because they're like at the top of your camera, I use targetting macros.

/cleartarget
/target twilight assault drake

Does wonders for quick targetting of them, which leads to getting in those dots faster on them before they fly off. I also use one for Goriona, to get to her faster when she first flies by.

[Crvn]

Hi there

Our Warlock - who doesn't speak English very well (that's why i'm posting here ^^) - is frustrated due to his low dps.
His gear should be fine ( http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte...nerun/advanced ), but as you can see in these logs ( http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/n...85k/?enc=kills or http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/r...qcp/?enc=kills ) his dps is rather low and he just doesn't know why. One problem should be his low framerate, but is there anything he could improve?

Thanks in advance!

[David Cavalheiro]

Hm. David. Lots of things to go through, so I'll do me best.

First off: I'd BoD Goriona since it's guaranteed to get a full duration, and BoA everything else. Great idea for the pet, just makes sure he finds a new target if one dies. Sometimes I forget to. I've been destro for the fight, so I have no idea if he runs up and attacks the pulled in drakes, or if he just bugs outs. If he bugs, keep on melee. If he doesn't, then make sure he switches to drakes since they are higher priority.

For you logs, I'm going to look for three logs with three specific things to compare. 1) first night at your highest 2) first night where you then dropped majorly 3) Most recent best tries to see the differences between your first and newest. All with fight length taken in mind.

Logs I'm looking at are Night 1, try 6 as your best. Night 1, try 19 as your biggest drop.

Differences: UA multidotting on both started great, but basically stopped on try 19 and went to single target. There's generally no reason you can't have two going on at once through phase 1. You have both melee adds to put it on, then both drakes when they come in, and when the melee adds die, well you can dot the two new flying drakes as they come by to drop more melee adds.

Biggest difference I see is purely the amount of multidotting you do. Great on the first one, had three sets running at the same time several times, but on the second you had at most two. Realistically, you can have full sets of dots on all four going on at once (dot the drakes as they come in dropping melee adds, then dot the melee adds. Drakes get pulled in about the time their dots would fall off.) and it definitely helps on pushing killing those drakes faster.

Taking Night 3, try 19 as your best on that night. (sad you died on the 6min attempt early :[ )

OMGYES. The multi dotting I was wanting to see on this night. Except you aren't putting up BoA on many targets, only about 1 at a time until after the second half of the attempt. I know there's a lot of multi dotting going on, but try to keep haunt on CD. And get some early damage on Goriona! You know you can stand at the back right wing of the ship (when facing the bubble Thrall is in) to get early dots on her right? The only time I see damage on her is on the attempt I looked at as worst for night 1.




Other notes: Blade rush :x what out for that. BoD Goriona at the start. On second wave of melee adds, put a new BoD on a drake as it passes by to drop melee adds (along with other dots. By this point the BoD on Goriona should have expired), also dotting up the second drake as it comes by to drop its melee add. Personally, because they're like at the top of your camera, I use targetting macros.

Does wonders for quick targetting of them, which leads to getting in those dots faster on them before they fly off. I also use one for Goriona, to get to her faster when she first flies by.

o/ Graceful, well I'm doing almost what you saying. Yeah I'm damage Goriona on the begin when she pass by, with Haunt and UA. And I'm dotting on of the 1º drakes.

I skipped some BOA on melee adds because on that time I have my Doomguard up, and would be a dps lost if he will be switch all over those BOA. But I tomorrow I will multi-dot everthing with full dots.

About Haunt I'm doing the best to cast him always on cooldown, problem it's I have to run to to soak barrages and hug when onslaught comes. Somehow I manage to fail on some blade rush true.

Well on this fight you need to be eyes for all your screen. And I'm failing on the fly drakes when the come drop new melee adds, cheers for the macro.

Offtopic: Today I won IOTCM HC, seems I will replace my MWC 4ever. Tbh only time that I'm thinking use it it's on Spine HC and on Alizabal. But today I didn't ranked on WOL . Well on Morchok I went affliction, I'm rusty on this spec, long time without playing it. On Warlord I missclick on Doomguard and I pop it on the pull :P.

But I'm a bit annoying with Yor'Saj fight on the other week I manage to do 52k. And today with the same trinkets I only did 46k http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/r...?s=3061&e=3577

Seems I'm starting to loose the skill on this boss, I know my uptimes on Corruption and BOD are pretty awful, they were fall of on AOE phase, imo no point to stop hellfire to redot BOD and Corruption. What you have to say about my noob performance today on Yor'saj, Graceful.

Once again <3.

[gracfuldeath]

Just a note on those macros, didn't have wow open at the time, it's /cleartarget not clear target. No space. And you might have been hitting Goriona in the other attempts, but out of those three only one had damage done to her at the start.

I'll look at that log later, same for you Crvn, unless someone else gets it done before me. I just noticed a mistake in the macro that I wanted to fix.

[Crvn]

Great, thanks alot already!

(Here's another Log from Zon'ozz - Lock was on Flail/Eye duty together with a Hunter [ http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/b...?s=1980&e=2327 + http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/b...s=2541&e=2787])

[LgndaryLiam]

eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/aggramar/Ed%C3%AAa/advanced
worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-0bcshurub2uc1kg3/details/3/?s=8736&e=9300

I seem to be having some pretty major problems on Yor'sahj Heroic. Usually I'm Destro but go Demo for Yor'sahj for obvious reasons. Just wondering if I can get any insight as to why my DPS/Damager seems pathetically low. Only thing that jumps out at me is that DoT Uptimes could be a tad higher.

Any advice will be greatly appreciated.

[Zeezus]

eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/aggramar/Ed%C3%AAa/advanced
worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-0bcshurub2uc1kg3/details/3/?s=8736&e=9300

I seem to be having some pretty major problems on Yor'sahj Heroic. Usually I'm Destro but go Demo for Yor'sahj for obvious reasons. Just wondering if I can get any insight as to why my DPS/Damager seems pathetically low. Only thing that jumps out at me is that DoT Uptimes could be a tad higher.

Any advice will be greatly appreciated.

Another victim of the Incinerate franchise

Switch to the shadowbolt spec for this, much faster immolate spreading to manavoids, oozes etc. If you weren't using Moonwell you could use it I guess to get more Meta's out... someone else can advise here :P

I generally just keep the felguard out, so I dont have to worry about saving/timing Soulburn to instant summon it for the black phases. During the black phases, try to position yourself just behind the stack point of your raid so you can hit the max amount of adds with shadowflame and spam more helfire

AoE is everything on this fight for us (or you wouldnt have gone demo :P) so do your best to maximise this - Use the infernal over the Doomguard and try and time it with your other cd's (though this can be quite difficult)

Upime on your DI is a bit low - though not by much, try and find the best possible target for your personal uptime for this fight - fire mages are a good choice

[LgndaryLiam]

Thank you for the reply. Will definitely put that into action next week.