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  1. #1761
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    1) You do have a window, I said that. But you're not guaranteed this window. If you're casting Soulburn after the first shadowbolt (before Haunt), that leaves 10 seconds minus Haunt Cast minus BoD GCD for Both PT and Lightweave to proc if we're adding in Temporal Ruin being up. Does this happen? Yes. Does it always happen? No. Unless you're best friends with the RNG gods, you're not guaranteed this window.

    2/3) You only counted DPET as well.
    Quote Originally Posted by Inactivity
    I think it does end up being more beneficial (in terms of DPET)
    You're right in that I completely forgot about the 1s GCD thing (/facepalm myself). Changing the GCD to 1s (I have a spreadsheet for all of this) makes the DPET values I posted even more in favor towards not refreshing it. And side note, Fel Synergy may be junk, but 1/2 Pandemic isn't entirely junk if you're at the point that the extra .25 reduced GCD for Banes/Curses doesn't do anything since you're at 1s GCD with 1/2 already. But I do see where I should be counting in Shadowbolt in determining those DPETness, which would change things. (I guess that's 5?) EDIT: I did just realize a big error in my understanding of your method. I was assuming it already ticked once, then refreshed, giving 6 ticks total (1 tick +5 of your buffed ticks) when it's cast, recast before tick, total 5 ticks. But all that's going to do when corrected is lower your BoD dmg, but still with 2 casts.

    4)The only time in FL where I ever heard any kind of BoD refreshing was with Demo and Meta/DS:Felguard/MWC and refreshing after the second tick. I would love to see the math to just see it, but that would belong more in a PM, since we're on a different topic than this thread.


    As I said at the end of that post, "Yes, you are right in that it can be beneficial to cast and refresh BoD in that manner.." Also remember that you're making assumptions yourself. Not every lock is a tailor, so not every lock has lightweave. Not every lock has or uses WoU, top 3 afflic locks atm use HCoC/HICM as well as many others. You're BoD refresh method is very situational and not always a gain. For those that can do this method of your properly, it could be better to do BoD first and then make the judgement to refresh based on which procs are rolling, but always refreshing it regardless of what procs can and will be a dps loss at times, especially if you override a BoD that already has PT/LW for one that doesn't.

    Therefore, because it is something that is very situational, gear/enchant based, and could really only be used appropriately by a lock who doesn't have problems with the normal rotation/dot uptimes, that means the opener I'm posting shouldn't be changed for this thread. This thread is 75% people new and still learning a lot, 15% people who know how to play but need more practice on Dots and stuff, 5% people who just need to realize exactly how things like Demon Soul: Specific Pet work with their dmging spells (meaning Imp is only cast time, or Felhunter is only dots and not auto applied when popped), and the other 5% is the rare person who is already great and looking for the tiny things (such as proc management or you're BoD thing, although I'm pretty sure casting BoD first but not refreshing it would be a dps loss, but the only basis behind that is every other opener argued about and EJ's posted opener, who gets extra math fancy, only puts BoD as second dot casted at most).

    But honestly, I think any more of this belongs in a PM if we're going to continue this. Like I said, I would at least like to see your math.
    Last edited by gracfuldeath; 2012-04-16 at 04:04 PM.

  2. #1762
    I'll send you what I think, and yeah, the DPET is basically an analogy of the "driving there, 50mph, driving back, 100mph = 75mph average" fallacy which does not take into account that the trip one way is longer. So average DPET is simply the damage done over the first few seconds of rotation.

    At any rate, while I know this is situational, and highly min-max oriented (meaning it does not lead to any totally, totally useful increase in total damage done, although keep in mind Ultraxion 25H was killed with <1 second to go on berserk)... but in general, most openers are by their nature that way. Switching the order in which Haunt and UA are cast in the beginning does very little total damage difference, but that's the point of the rotation, is to maximize it anyway. Lightweave and Power Torrent will almost always proc before Temporal Ruin is up; they do for me as demonology even though my haste is not especially high. Considering after the first BoD cast (which in itself has a chance to proc), your next casts are Haunt (1 sec), UA (1 sec), Corruption (1 sec) and then you will have time for up to 2 (3 if you are lucky/fast) shadow bolts, which is more than enough to proc a PT/LW. Also, since in many initial pulls Bloodlust is popped, you will get even more shadow bolt casts in almost guaranteeing the procs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by inhibition View Post
    As far as my DS:IMP I have it macro with my bloodfury that is why it is the same time. So from what I can tell you are saying to pop bloodfury first than dot up the target than DS:IMP? As for backdraft tbh I completely forgot about the buff all together.
    Pretty much yea. DS:Imp has no effect on your dots, other than the immo initial hit (which is meh compared to an incinerate). So by popping DS:Imp before dotting, you're losing 1 immo cast + 3 GCDs (3 GCDS come from Dotting BoD then conflag then dotting Corruption), which adds up to almost 5s based on your haste. That's at least 2 buffed incinerate casts you're missing out on (assuming no lust). But you still want to pop blood fury before dotting, because you want to buff your dots. It's not like, a significant lost to macro and pop before, but we generally don't like to pop a CD and benefit from it immediately :x

  4. #1764
    I just encountered something that really confused me. This isn't really a fix my dps question, but I felt starting a thread for just this isn't needed. I just ran a sim after acquiring some new gear and my scale factors have baffled me. More specifically my scale factor for haste after having reached the haste cap of 2681 isn't matching my expectations.

    My question is, why is haste simming to be my highest scale factor when all information I've seen indicates that once you reach 2681 haste it will no longer be the best secondary stat?

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  5. #1765
    Well, this probably isn't the answer your looking for, but -- everything I've seen says the only real stat weighting you can trust is what you sim out for yourself. Unless, of course, you're using the exact gear setup they're simming with to provide those stat weight lists you see.

    Also, your guild's name is hilarious :P

  6. #1766
    Quote Originally Posted by kai zayin View Post
    I just encountered something that really confused me. This isn't really a fix my dps question, but I felt starting a thread for just this isn't needed. I just ran a sim after acquiring some new gear and my scale factors have baffled me. More specifically my scale factor for haste after having reached the haste cap of 2681 isn't matching my expectations.

    My question is, why is haste simming to be my highest scale factor when all information I've seen indicates that once you reach 2681 haste it will no longer be the best secondary stat?

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    Off my head I can think of two reasons that haste is more valued than in a BiS set

    1) no insignia
    2) no legendary

  7. #1767
    Hello there great warlocks, im currently on trial and here is my dps, its sucks. I've followed precisely with EJ, MMO-C warlock's guides and rotation, still my dps is very low. Help??

    My Armory : http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...ezavi/advanced
    My Ultraxion 25m HM parse : http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/r...?s=1245&e=1539

  8. #1768
    Quote Originally Posted by vadera View Post
    Hello there great warlocks, im currently on trial and here is my dps, its sucks. I've followed precisely with EJ, MMO-C warlock's guides and rotation, still my dps is very low. Help??

    My Armory : http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...ezavi/advanced
    My Ultraxion 25m HM parse : http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/r...?s=1245&e=1539
    1) You have too much hit
    2) Not enough haste
    3) You aren't using enough filler

  9. #1769
    Greetings friends

    A few weeks ago I decided to start playing again after being inactive for three months. I transferred back to Horde and was lucky to get a spot into my previous raiding guild. In these last few days I have geared myself up as much as I can by doing RHC's and Raidfinder. Now while I'm not supergeared, I do believe I should be doing more dps than 20 tot 30k on the first bosses.

    I've been playing Destruction for years and I know pretty well how my class works, so I don't think the problem lies there. This leads me to believe my problem is a gear-problem. Now, I don't have much gold atm so that explain why not all my gems are epic, but I don't believe my gems are the root of the problem. I've made myself believe that getting a new staff (the one from Hagara or from DW) will improve my dps by a k or 5. Am I a fool to believe this or will a new weapon indeed solve my dps issues?

    On Morchock HC I barely did 30k, on zon'oz I never reached 30k and Yor'sahj wasn't so impressive either =(. I don't have a log atm, but here's my armory

    http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte...dawah/advanced

    Thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Singularity View Post
    Greetings friends

    A few weeks ago I decided to start playing again after being inactive for three months. I transferred back to Horde and was lucky to get a spot into my previous raiding guild. In these last few days I have geared myself up as much as I can by doing RHC's and Raidfinder. Now while I'm not supergeared, I do believe I should be doing more dps than 20 tot 30k on the first bosses.

    I've been playing Destruction for years and I know pretty well how my class works, so I don't think the problem lies there. This leads me to believe my problem is a gear-problem. Now, I don't have much gold atm so that explain why not all my gems are epic, but I don't believe my gems are the root of the problem. I've made myself believe that getting a new staff (the one from Hagara or from DW) will improve my dps by a k or 5. Am I a fool to believe this or will a new weapon indeed solve my dps issues?

    On Morchock HC I barely did 30k, on zon'oz I never reached 30k and Yor'sahj wasn't so impressive either =(. I don't have a log atm, but here's my armory

    http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte...dawah/advanced

    Thank you.
    50 int to bracers is a must. Make sure you're using some sort of reforge helper, like wowreforge.com. You're reforging a bit away from haste, which is :/ since you're haste is already pretty low.

    The kicker is your gear is pretty low, like half 378. Crafted 397 bracers are second best to heroic Hagara bracers, so you should be able to get your hands on those somewhat easily. There's also crafted pants, which are pretty nice (hit/haste combo). Lack of 4pc is hurting a lot.

    Glyph of Soul Link is much better than Fear, especially on progression.

    But really, without logs, the only answer to your problems is work on getting better gear. Lots of LFR upgrades waiting for you too.

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    Rathrak is better than your current weapon, IMO.
    Bane of Doom could probably hit harder.

    You need a log longer than 1:51 to really get a good picture. When does your guild lust?

  13. #1773
    hey Grace, i posted this comment on an older thread regarding heroic spine, but after a few days never got a response, so thought i'd post on main thread! Really appreciate some help when you have time. here's my post:

    Hi Grace,
    Looking for some help here please if you can - am so frustrated I feel like hanging my cloak on the wall and stick in the closet. While I understand from all the reading that warlocks are simply terrible at heroic spine because of the lack of proper dps bursts like other classes, I've been still giving 110% when i get a chance at this boss - and yet still always seem to be the worst by a long shot. (ok i have had several goes just behind the retro pally, but still). I'd be thankful if you could give a quick glance at these logs from our guilds last raiding night and give me any suggestions you feel appropriate. I feel like i'm nailing the rotation and playing my ass off, however my raid leader pretty much busted my chops after every single go. And if i hear, "but you've got the legendary..." one more time gonna f%$king cram it up someone's a$$. Really appreciate your time when you can.

    The logs: reports/rt-ax4hmx4i59sx1mmo/

    my armory: wow/en/character/runetotem/Ruckerslock/simple

    Just to say what i suppose is the obvious, to make your job easier. I'm destruction on this fight and of course using bottled wishes. Our guild has basically no problem getting to 3rd plate, and we kill each tendon in 2 goes... this was my first n ight past plate 3 - however guild has killed hc spine 1x last week (without me). While my dps in gerenal is lower on the algamations, i'm saving cds for the tendons. I start the rotation by popping DS, then soulburn/impsoulfire, then trinket immediately followed by my macro /tar burning tendon /cast immolate/corruption (i've tried a few times without) /conflag/incinerate, etc. if available shadowburn on CD. Our best go last night was around 22:00 as you can see from the logs, so if you want to comment there, please do. Sadly we wiped at like .001% as our shaman dropped at last second from over-run by bloods.

    Please be so kind and tell me i don't suck as bad as my guild thinks I do and anything i can do, including the kitchen sink, to improve.

    Thanks in advance,
    Ruckers

    ---------- Post added 2012-04-23 at 08:45 AM ----------

    PS. My specific log if it wasn't obvious in the above post!

    log: /reports/rt-ax4hmx4i59sx1mmo/details/7/

    PPS. Specific question i forgot to ask in my original post: what exactly should i put up on spine for max dps? I'm not using BoA or BoD until thread plate, as i am saving my doomy for that one and the testdummies show i do more "burst" in 18 seconds by not casting BoA/BoD. really appreciate your comments.

  14. #1774
    Need help on spine tendon damage!

    I seem to be topping out between 500 - 700k per lift on spine as Demo. I've done a lot of research and feel like I have a good handle one it. I'm using Sparkuggz macro /castsequence macro and pet twisting. I like to practice on fights like Acurion in HoT where I can reach about 63k dps.

    I would appreciate it if someone would take a look at a couple of logs:

    http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/r...?s=4353&e=4936
    http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/r...?s=2539&e=3104

    Armory:
    http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...Tapit/advanced

    Note: I was haste reforge instead of mastery reforge this week and it seems to help me have meta up every lift.

  15. #1775
    Quote Originally Posted by Bullarkie View Post
    Need help on spine tendon damage!

    I seem to be topping out between 500 - 700k per lift on spine as Demo. I've done a lot of research and feel like I have a good handle one it. I'm using Sparkuggz macro /castsequence macro and pet twisting. I like to practice on fights like Acurion in HoT where I can reach about 63k dps.

    I would appreciate it if someone would take a look at a couple of logs:

    http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/r...?s=4353&e=4936
    http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/r...?s=2539&e=3104

    Armory:
    http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...Tapit/advanced

    Note: I was haste reforge instead of mastery reforge this week and it seems to help me have meta up every lift.
    You are using Metamorphosis too late. Meta is a 30s duration, Nuclear Blast is a 5s cast, there's a delay for the tendon lift and then then tendon is up for 18s. From logs you are Meta-ing after the Blast goes off. In between, you need to pop Immolation Aura (which I don't see damage from) and close the range. You're losing probably a global or two there.

    Example:
    [21:13:04.754] Hideous Amalgamation Nuclear Blast Rainbowsgirl 30664 (R: 76661)
    [21:13:06.703] Tapit gains Metamorphosis from Tapit

    There are a few other things that you're wasting globals on. You cast Doomguard post-tendon appearing - DG has a 40s duration so can be up before Nuclear Blast goes off. Your first spell on the Tendon is Bane of Doom - it should be Incinerate, to get Shadow and Flame up, since you have a Boomkin. Bane of Doom will still go off if it is cast as your 2nd or even your 3rd global. Finally, if you have your Felguard Felstorm during your first spell, it should be done after you cast HoG/Shadow Flame, and at that point you should pop your Felhunter.

    I see you're using Moonwell, but you have that happening right before Meta. Because of the spacing of the plates, Moonwell should actually be cast 20 or so seconds before the Amalgamation starts on the blast - as MWC is about to expire, you snapshot the Mastery with your Meta. Then after the blast goes off, you leap/port then pop aura, and SB/VP trinket/first spell macro. This way, MWC will come up again right about the time the Amalgamation casts the Blast for the 2nd lift (1:35-1:40 ish 2nd Amalgamation kill time). It'll be up for the 3rd lift because of the time to kill corruptions/roll, and for 4th, etc.

    Every Demo warlock with Tendon damage issues should master this post: http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...1#post15164572 - afterwards, if you need to rebalance because Amalgamations are taking too long, you can swap out one of two burst trinkets or forgo your filler spam to be weak on 2nd lifts.

  16. #1776
    Quote Originally Posted by Rustjive View Post
    You are using Metamorphosis too late. Meta is a 30s duration, Nuclear Blast is a 5s cast, there's a delay for the tendon lift and then then tendon is up for 18s. From logs you are Meta-ing after the Blast goes off. In between, you need to pop Immolation Aura (which I don't see damage from) and close the range. You're losing probably a global or two there.

    Example:
    [21:13:04.754] Hideous Amalgamation Nuclear Blast Rainbowsgirl 30664 (R: 76661)
    [21:13:06.703] Tapit gains Metamorphosis from Tapit

    There are a few other things that you're wasting globals on. You cast Doomguard post-tendon appearing - DG has a 40s duration so can be up before Nuclear Blast goes off. Your first spell on the Tendon is Bane of Doom - it should be Incinerate, to get Shadow and Flame up, since you have a Boomkin. Bane of Doom will still go off if it is cast as your 2nd or even your 3rd global. Finally, if you have your Felguard Felstorm during your first spell, it should be done after you cast HoG/Shadow Flame, and at that point you should pop your Felhunter.

    I see you're using Moonwell, but you have that happening right before Meta. Because of the spacing of the plates, Moonwell should actually be cast 20 or so seconds before the Amalgamation starts on the blast - as MWC is about to expire, you snapshot the Mastery with your Meta. Then after the blast goes off, you leap/port then pop aura, and SB/VP trinket/first spell macro. This way, MWC will come up again right about the time the Amalgamation casts the Blast for the 2nd lift (1:35-1:40 ish 2nd Amalgamation kill time). It'll be up for the 3rd lift because of the time to kill corruptions/roll, and for 4th, etc.

    Every Demo warlock with Tendon damage issues should master this post: http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...1#post15164572 - afterwards, if you need to rebalance because Amalgamations are taking too long, you can swap out one of two burst trinkets or forgo your filler spam to be weak on 2nd lifts.
    Thanks for the reply.

    This may have been a bad example.

    Here are some rough macros that I use (rough macros I don't have access to them now)

    Macro 1
    /cast Demon Soul
    /use 13 (MWC)
    /cast Blood Fury

    Macro 2
    /cleartarget
    /tar boss
    /cancelmacro [noexist]
    /castsequence ...felstorm, pet twist

    Pre-explosion:
    hit macro 1
    meta
    doomguard

    Post-explosion:
    demon leap close to tendon
    Spam macro 2
    Incinerate spam

    I was putting BoD on first so that my Doomguard would attack immediately. Is this not correct? Incinerate will do the same?

    I will definitely be using MWC a bit earlier. I also have Normal WoU and H IotCM. Is this a better trinket combo?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bullarkie View Post

    I will definitely be using MWC a bit earlier. I also have Normal WoU and H IotCM. Is this a better trinket combo?
    WoU. But make sure you're still attacking the amalg as he's exploding (after you resummon felguard if you are doing that method) to make sure you keep your 10 stacks going into the tendon. Stacks are refreshed on dot application (not ticks) so no need to worry about it falling off once you start hitting on it. Just need to make sure it stays up before the tendon pops.

    Honestly, based on how you're progressing (I didn't look at your logs), unless you can master the timing of using MWC or if you're having problems on the second lift of each plate, BW/WoU is the better combo. Bottled Wishes is pretty much guaranteed to be up for each lift if you poppit as the amalg casts his explosion each time.

    And doomguard only follows BoD/BoA, not anything else like incinerate.. It's in the tooltip. Whenever I log back on, I'll post my personal macros tendon dps just for you to compare to your own (doesn't mean mine is better, but it's always nice to see what others are doing and why, then deciding for yourself what to do)

    @Ruckers Sorry for missing your other post, I will get back to this hopefully sometime tonight if not tomorrow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gracfuldeath View Post
    WoU. But make sure you're still attacking the amalg as he's exploding (after you resummon felguard if you are doing that method) to make sure you keep your 10 stacks going into the tendon. Stacks are refreshed on dot application (not ticks) so no need to worry about it falling off once you start hitting on it. Just need to make sure it stays up before the tendon pops.

    Honestly, based on how you're progressing (I didn't look at your logs), unless you can master the timing of using MWC or if you're having problems on the second lift of each plate, BW/WoU is the better combo. Bottled Wishes is pretty much guaranteed to be up for each lift if you poppit as the amalg casts his explosion each time.

    And doomguard only follows BoD/BoA, not anything else like incinerate.. It's in the tooltip. Whenever I log back on, I'll post my personal macros tendon dps just for you to compare to your own (doesn't mean mine is better, but it's always nice to see what others are doing and why, then deciding for yourself what to do)

    @Ruckers Sorry for missing your other post, I will get back to this hopefully sometime tonight if not tomorrow.
    Thanks I'll give bottled wishes a go.

    Just an FYI here are the macros I'm using:

    Pre explosion I hit this macro:

    #showtooltip
    /cast Demon Soul
    /cast Blood Fury
    /cast Immolation Aura
    /use 13

    then Meta + doom guard

    Just after explosion I hit Demon Leap or Teleport to get close then spam this one until I see Hand of Gul'dan come down:

    /cleartarget
    /tar boss2
    /stopmacro [noexists]
    /petattack
    /use 13
    /castsequence reset=18 Soulburn, Bane of Doom, Curse of the Elements, Incinerate, Immolate, Corruption, Summon Felhunter, Shadowflame, Hand of Gul'dan
    /cast Felstorm

    After I see Hand of Gul'dan I spam Incinerate.
    Last edited by Bullarkie; 2012-04-24 at 11:32 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruckers View Post
    hey Grace, i posted this comment on an older thread regarding heroic spine, but after a few days never got a response, so thought i'd post on main thread! Really appreciate some help when you have time. here's my post:

    Thanks in advance,
    Ruckers

    ---------- Post added 2012-04-23 at 08:45 AM ----------

    PS. My specific log if it wasn't obvious in the above post!

    log: /reports/rt-ax4hmx4i59sx1mmo/details/7/

    PPS. Specific question i forgot to ask in my original post: what exactly should i put up on spine for max dps? I'm not using BoA or BoD until thread plate, as i am saving my doomy for that one and the testdummies show i do more "burst" in 18 seconds by not casting BoA/BoD. really appreciate your comments.
    The fact you are desto is...kinda a big kicker. I see at best, average of 633k per lift over the fight. I can do that as demo without meta. A benefit of destro is pure raid survivability..which you're not utilizing to the fullest by only casting Nether Ward 6 times in a almost 13min fight. But we'll stick to destro only here.

    First off. If anyone gives you crap about low dps in general, I will personally yell at them in vent/mumble/skype/phone call if I have to in order to beat in their head that warlocks are one of the, if not THE worst class for this fight. Our BEST burst spec still has just as long as a ramp up as the other three, and is highly dependent on RNG for getting meta on more than 3 of the 6 lifts (Unfortunately, the last few times, I've been stuck at only 4 metas per attempt/kill. But somehow still outdoing out hunter >.>). So from me to then, shut the hell up. ^^

    That being said, there's being a bad class for the fight, and then being bad at playing the class and not doing all you can to make up for it, which is what we'll focus on. No excuses for the latter, even on this fight.

    As for CDs, yes major ones you save for the tendon, but you can still use soulburn at least once, maybe twice (based on timings of everything) and still have it up for the lift, just make sure you do have it up for the lift.

    You said you tried it with and without a macro, I would still use a macro. It highly minimizes error in your opening and gets you to the filler spamming faster. Because you are the only 8% magic debuff provider, you will have to waste a GCD on casting it. I would recommend a macro of something like...

    Code:
    /cleartarget
    /targetexact Burning Tendons 
    /stopmacro [noexists]
    /cast [target=target, exists] soulburn
    /cast [target=target, exists] Curse of the Elements 
    /petattack
    /castsequence reset=30 Demon Soul, Immolate, Bane of Agony, Conflagrate, Corruption, Demon Soul, Incinerate, incinerate, incinerate, chaos bolt, incinerate, incinerate
    Everything up to the /castsequence is exactly what I use, minues the CoE since we have an assass rogue. It clears the target, and the second you have a target (which should be the tendon because you shouldn't be targetting random things since the amalg just died and now you're waiting on it to appear) you cast 2 things, soulburn which is not on the GCD and CoE which is prio. Pet attacks instantly and will keep attacking it. As for the cast sequence, because you're destro, you want major conflags. but you need immo up, so I put it first. I put BoA over Corruption because on the first lift first plate and first lift last plate you'll have the doomguard waiting for a BoA/BoD target. Some use BoA, some use BoD. I think the "right" recommendation is BoD first lift, BoA second lift, but that requires either two macros or manually dotting, so personally I chose BoA. Then conflag, you're nuke. Then corruption, your improved spec dot, then you x3 incins, chaos bolt, then a couple more incinerates. My idea on the extra incinerates at the end is that it's a visual key to manually take over and use your own keybinds for incin/conflag/etc and not the macro.

    I put Demon Soul first because its off the GCD, and since it won't matter beyond the 18s window, you want to get bonus crit for the initial immo hit rather than the usual waiting for the incinerate spam to pop it. This means you need to manually use Bottled Wishes, which is popped while the amalg is exploding to make sure it's up for each lift (unless you're being really slow on amalg dps, which is the killer for the length of the fight)

    If you want to test this macro on a dummy, you have to change this target. BUT REMEMBER TO CHANGE IT BACK. I've forgotten to one too many times and you just get fucked over.

    Another thing I noticed is only 1 doomguard use. You can get two if you pop it for the first lift first plate, and again for the first lift third plate. It does alot more than one thinks. And stat wise, probably be stacking a lot of haste, which you have over 3k (which is a lil overboard for normal destro fights, but not for this one).

    Big thing I just noticed is that you let your WoU stacks fall off 3 times, which are the times just before the tendon lifts. Make sure you're still spamming something on the amalg to keep these stacks up going into the tendon.

    Reading over the PPS questions. To make your DPS, you use doomguard twice. You're hitting an almost 13min fight, technically that's 3 uses of on CD, which means two uses of when you should pop it. Thinking about the BoA/BoD...the reason you cast it as demo is because it's an extra dot for the felhunter to chomp on (which by the way, my felhunter alone did 566k average on tendons, which is almost what you do :x, which goes back to demo being better, but trying to max destro here). I'm not sure if casting BoD/BoA on each lift is beneficial for you as destro. With that in mind, you can take it out of the macro and replace it with corruption...BUT you MUST and HAVE to put it up for the doomguard pops manually and not forget about it. If you can remember to do that, that might be the better route.


    What really gets the fight moving and makes it easier, is your amalg dps. The faster that amalg goes down after the first plate, the faster you get to lift, the faster to roll, the faster and easier the fight goes. The longer you sit and wait for it to get low before killing bloods, the more tank and raid damage. As for amalg dps, you're #1 by a long shot for that 12:55 min try, which is the one I've been looking at this whole time. It is actually your ele sham that is slowing down your fight progression, doing 1mill less than the blood tank, and the Khatar only doing 1mil more than that tank isn't doing helping either. The fact you're taking so long to kill it, is what's causing your attempts to be 3min longer than ours (and we're only on our like...3rd kill). I mean, at the rate you're at, I wouldn't be surprised if you were able to use 2min CDs for each lift :x So if you want a comeback to why you're doing bad, link amalg dmg and say f*ck off.

    ---------- Post added 2012-04-25 at 12:03 AM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by Bullarkie View Post
    Thanks I'll give bottled wishes a go.

    Just an FYI here are the macros I'm using:

    Pre explosion I hit this macro:

    #showtooltip
    /cast Demon Soul
    /cast Blood Fury
    /cast Immolation Aura
    /use 13

    then Meta + doom guard

    Just after explosion I hit Demon Leap or Teleport to get close then spam this one until I see Hand of Gul'dan come down:

    /cleartarget
    /tar boss2
    /stopmacro [noexists]
    /petattack
    /use 13
    /castsequence reset=18 Soulburn, Bane of Doom, Curse of the Elements, Incinerate, Immolate, Corruption, Summon Felhunter, Shadowflame, Hand of Gul'dan
    /cast Felstorm

    After I see Hand of Gul'dan I spam Incinerate.
    If you hit macro one before using meta, and never again, you're not activating immo aura..

    Code:
    /targetexact Burning Tendons
    /stopmacro [noexists]
    /cast [target=target, exists] soulburn
    /petattack
    /castsequence reset=30 Corruption, Bane of Agony, Immolate, Hand of Gul'Dan, summon felhunter, shadowflame, incinerate, incinerate, incinerate
    This is what I use. I don't have to cast CoE. Personally, I don't believe demon leap is worth the GCD, and teleport definitely is not worth it, so I walk into melee range while casting the dots. You do want to cast HoG much sooner because of the debuff for your felhunter. I mean, I see mine crit bite for like 100k easy.. :x I use incinerate casting as my que for manual takeover.

    But overall, ours are pretty much the same. I'm guessing the incin after CoE is for the SnF debuff? I honestly hadn't thought about that one, especially since it doesn't auto update on dots :x
    Last edited by gracfuldeath; 2012-04-25 at 12:07 AM.

  20. #1780
    So I am a little nervous to ask on here, but figured it couldn't hurt. I feel like my DPS isn't up to par. I run the raid group that I am in and I do well comparatively, however I just feel that it isn't what it should be. I don't really understand WOL, but I generally track my DPS via recount. I have a weak aura set up to remind me to keep ISF going so its uptime is USUALLY pretty good.

    I am not a super hardcore raider so please don't beat me like I am. Any help would be appreciated.

    My rotation is usually SB:ISF, COE, Bane of doom, Immo, corr, conflag, chaosbolt, spam incin as needed until something comes off CD (I try to do cor and BOD as I run in along with either COE or COW since we have two locks). I prio ISF>immo>Corr>BOD so if I hit a point where they all are running into each other I know what I am going for next. With movement I use Fel flame, but try to avoid it when I don't have to use it.

    EDIT: I am a bit bad with demon soul but am working on keeping it up as much as possible.

    Here is a link to our WOL.
    http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-tfgmbxkctwnadhg6/


    Here is my armory. At the time I am posting this I am currently in my demo gear (offspec), but I will adjust this in about 3ish hours from now and should be in my proper gear then.

    http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...Oberoth/simple

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