1. #2061
    Definitivelly 1

  2. #2062
    Quote Originally Posted by shox View Post
    What's better on Stone guard 25 man:
    1. Use grimoire of sacrifice, keep dots up on active guardians and soul swap when guardians are swapped.
    2. Use grimoire of supremacy, keep dots up on active guardians, keep agony (for max stacks)+corruption (for shards) on inactive guardians and cast unstable affliction when a guardian is swapped.
    I use #1. It works fine, managed ~96k the other week, can probably increase it quite a lot as I make way too many mistakes while playing. Practice makes perfect.
    Tenser @ EU-Auchindoun
    Officer of <WTFlux> 2-day-weekend-raiding-guild, T14: 8/16HC, T15: 2/13H
    Warlock POV - streaming raids on sat/sun 10am-2pm GMT+1

  3. #2063
    I´m sorry - I have problems installing WOL, so I haven't made a log yet. Just throwing out a simple question - I currently do 50-60k dps on a single target in a fight with little movement (like second and third boss in MSV). I have IL 484 - is this dps very low or is it ok? I have seen locks do 150K on similar fights (like sha), and feel I´m doing something terribly wrong. I have the proper enchants and gems.

  4. #2064
    Quote Originally Posted by fusel View Post
    I´m sorry - I have problems installing WOL, so I haven't made a log yet. Just throwing out a simple question - I currently do 50-60k dps on a single target in a fight with little movement (like second and third boss in MSV). I have IL 484 - is this dps very low or is it ok? I have seen locks do 150K on similar fights (like sha), and feel I´m doing something terribly wrong. I have the proper enchants and gems.
    Installing? You mean starting the java-program? You didn't even link or name your character.

    50-60k is horribly low, yes. I have 485 and did 93k on Feng and 97k on Gara'jal.

    Link your character and logs from raids, no one can help you otherwise.
    Tenser @ EU-Auchindoun
    Officer of <WTFlux> 2-day-weekend-raiding-guild, T14: 8/16HC, T15: 2/13H
    Warlock POV - streaming raids on sat/sun 10am-2pm GMT+1

  5. #2065
    Yup. At least your character's adress would have helped....

  6. #2066
    I jumped in to help my guild kill the last two in MGV last night, and logged them for some feedback. I'm playing Affliction because it's the best, but the numbers are making me consider just going back to Demo, I seem to be incapable of playing it correctly or identifying why, which is frustrating because I've been ranking quite consistently in bad gear over the last 3 tiers.

    Armory: http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte...ouserat/simple

    Elegon Kill: http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/k...?s=1383&e=1891

    WotE wipe: http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/k...?s=2312&e=2727

    we did kill Will second try, but I added this wipe because I tried to multidot as recommended on here and in Affliction guides, and I need to know what I'm doing wrong because my DPS was just horrible. I will admit to being a little rusty when it comes to raiding as I've not done it since June or so, but I didn't think I was as bad as to be 20-30k DPS behind where I thought I would be! can anyone spare a little assistance?

  7. #2067
    Quote Originally Posted by squidbear View Post
    I jumped in to help my guild kill the last two in MGV last night, and logged them for some feedback. I'm playing Affliction because it's the best, but the numbers are making me consider just going back to Demo, I seem to be incapable of playing it correctly or identifying why, which is frustrating because I've been ranking quite consistently in bad gear over the last 3 tiers.

    Armory: http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte...ouserat/simple

    Elegon Kill: http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/k...?s=1383&e=1891

    WotE wipe: http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/k...?s=2312&e=2727

    we did kill Will second try, but I added this wipe because I tried to multidot as recommended on here and in Affliction guides, and I need to know what I'm doing wrong because my DPS was just horrible. I will admit to being a little rusty when it comes to raiding as I've not done it since June or so, but I didn't think I was as bad as to be 20-30k DPS behind where I thought I would be! can anyone spare a little assistance?
    Your dps for elegon is more than fine, considering you dont use MF and aoe the energy charges (recommended, do it).

    For WoE, use empowered imp/observer(have only tried imp myself) and put it on one of the bosses, run around SB:SS everything, included both bosses and recharge your shards with drain soul as often as possible.
    Tenser @ EU-Auchindoun
    Officer of <WTFlux> 2-day-weekend-raiding-guild, T14: 8/16HC, T15: 2/13H
    Warlock POV - streaming raids on sat/sun 10am-2pm GMT+1

  8. #2068
    I'm always trying to seek improvements, and manage to adapt and find a resolution. This time I'm stuck of what I am doing wrong. I used simcraft to calc the raid dummy to verify if my rotation is at error. Base on my current gear and dps I use Recount/Skada addons. The end result matches the Sim. So now I'm here at MMO-Champ hoping to see if anybody can find what is going on. I don't upload Logs, but lucky for me My Raid Leader does. Below is my armory, AMR, and WoL. Please go through this and see what I am doing wrong ... I know it's something I'm overlooking. In addition I'm planning on getting the kalxxi sword (blue) to gain the extra hit from race passive (Human 1% hit) and haste gain over mastery. Everything eles remains the same. I do hope I get an answer soon. Thank you for your time.

    worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-k8udpt9ydn4k296p/sum/damageDone/?s=4969&e=5435

    askmrrobot.com/wow/gear/usa/turalyon/masakado

    us.battle.net/wow/en/character/turalyon/Masakado/simple

    *Sorry I was unable to link them via URL Tag script... this is my first post on MMO-Champ. I always resolve things on my own... but now im stuck

    ---------- Post added 2012-12-20 at 04:08 PM ----------

    Thanks for updating my links, Can you also put this link up

    worldoflogs.com/reports/fbwxmcbs5n64yvpp/sum/damageDone/

    That link is a HoF Log, and the dps is sooo bad... im just at a lost. I have a good idea but this idea feels like a small excuses or cry baby term of a excuses. Im givin some roles that hurts my stack on CoA, though im managing to keep them up as much as I can... but kiteing Gala far on the edges restrict me to dps anything... still the overall dps should be higher... So I do hope someone can find what I'm doing wrong.

    ---------- Post added 2012-12-20 at 09:03 PM ----------

    Okay, so I review and waive out the uptime % on Haunt. sigh, Base on other logs, my Haunt see to be good, but please correct me on everything. Still trying to get to the bottom of this grrrrr.
    Last edited by xskarma; 2012-12-20 at 06:04 PM. Reason: Fixed your links

  9. #2069
    Quote Originally Posted by Masakado View Post
    I'm always trying to seek improvements, and manage to adapt and find a resolution. This time I'm stuck of what I am doing wrong. I used simcraft to calc the raid dummy to verify if my rotation is at error. Base on my current gear and dps I use Recount/Skada addons. The end result matches the Sim. So now I'm here at MMO-Champ hoping to see if anybody can find what is going on. I don't upload Logs, but lucky for me My Raid Leader does. Below is my armory, AMR, and WoL. Please go through this and see what I am doing wrong ... I know it's something I'm overlooking. In addition I'm planning on getting the kalxxi sword (blue) to gain the extra hit from race passive (Human 1% hit) and haste gain over mastery. Everything eles remains the same. I do hope I get an answer soon. Thank you for your time.

    worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-k8udpt9ydn4k296p/sum/damageDone/?s=4969&e=5435

    askmrrobot.com/wow/gear/usa/turalyon/masakado

    us.battle.net/wow/en/character/turalyon/Masakado/simple

    *Sorry I was unable to link them via URL Tag script... this is my first post on MMO-Champ. I always resolve things on my own... but now im stuck

    ---------- Post added 2012-12-20 at 04:08 PM ----------

    Thanks for updating my links, Can you also put this link up

    worldoflogs.com/reports/fbwxmcbs5n64yvpp/sum/damageDone/

    That link is a HoF Log, and the dps is sooo bad... im just at a lost. I have a good idea but this idea feels like a small excuses or cry baby term of a excuses. Im givin some roles that hurts my stack on CoA, though im managing to keep them up as much as I can... but kiteing Gala far on the edges restrict me to dps anything... still the overall dps should be higher... So I do hope someone can find what I'm doing wrong.

    ---------- Post added 2012-12-20 at 09:03 PM ----------

    Okay, so I review and waive out the uptime % on Haunt. sigh, Base on other logs, my Haunt see to be good, but please correct me on everything. Still trying to get to the bottom of this grrrrr.
    I did a quick review of your Elegon + HoF kills, for Elegon, stop using harvest life and do the correct AoE tactic (MF + SB:seed -> seed spam), not only will it help your raid a lot but also your dps, and your epeen.

    I compared with myself for HoF kills(your gear is slightly better but you're running a lot less hit and I used 4717 haste rest MST but that should not be this big dps difference).

    Elegon 65k less (I use the AoE tactic, big dps difference)
    Vizier 30k less (Our kill was really, really fast, not sure if a bug but it said 2:52 on WoL)
    Bladelord 20k less (I didn't use gateway/portal to maximize dmg in P2, can probably push it a lot higher doing that)
    Garalon 20k less (I was kiting as well)

    Something I could generally see was that your haunt and MG uptime were lower than mine, on some fights 10% less MG uptime, 5% haunt uptime, that equates to quite a big chunk of damage. I use KC for all fights except Elegon so I never have to stop casting, I feel it's a bigger dps increase than running AV since most/all fights involve moving.
    Tenser @ EU-Auchindoun
    Officer of <WTFlux> 2-day-weekend-raiding-guild, T14: 8/16HC, T15: 2/13H
    Warlock POV - streaming raids on sat/sun 10am-2pm GMT+1

  10. #2070
    Hi There fellow Warlocks.
    I hope that you can spare the time, to look over my logs, and see what i can improve.
    Ive been struggleing lately keeping up with my fellow raiders, and with my expectations to my self.

    This is my armory link: eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/quelthalas/Dotamok/advanced

    And link to my latest logs, have i mind that in one of the fights i died, but over all i would really love to know what and how i can improve my self. only encounter im happy about is the Protectors in ToES. rest im far behind in dps.
    I did mananage to get my dps up at the first boss in HoF, but forgot to change to drainsoul when boss went under 20% (changed to it at 10%)

    This is our logs from last night´s run: worldoflogs.com/reports/dqarhgitocw0tr0e/details/9/?s=809&e=1265

    If theres any more information that i missed out on, plz let me know.. and ill update the post straight away.

    I run with the 4717 haste, since i cant reach the 6637 with my current gear, with out swapping some mastery gems to haste gems.

    Looking forward to your help.
    (Not allowed to post links, since i just made this account)

    /Dotamok - EU-Quel'Thalas

  11. #2071
    Quote Originally Posted by Wablakin View Post
    I did a quick review of your Elegon + HoF kills, for Elegon, stop using harvest life and do the correct AoE tactic (MF + SB:seed -> seed spam), not only will it help your raid a lot but also your dps, and your epeen.

    I compared with myself for HoF kills(your gear is slightly better but you're running a lot less hit and I used 4717 haste rest MST but that should not be this big dps difference).

    Elegon 65k less (I use the AoE tactic, big dps difference)
    Vizier 30k less (Our kill was really, really fast, not sure if a bug but it said 2:52 on WoL)
    Bladelord 20k less (I didn't use gateway/portal to maximize dmg in P2, can probably push it a lot higher doing that)
    Garalon 20k less (I was kiting as well)

    Something I could generally see was that your haunt and MG uptime were lower than mine, on some fights 10% less MG uptime, 5% haunt uptime, that equates to quite a big chunk of damage. I use KC for all fights except Elegon so I never have to stop casting, I feel it's a bigger dps increase than running AV since most/all fights involve moving.

    So the conclusion is tatics, not my rotations or gear...

    This is helpful, I just found out about the MF+ SB:Seed on ele... will have this on lock down.
    For Vizier, any suggestion or tatic you preform that I might be doing right.
    Bladelord, I also do the portal trick... just need to figure out what im doing wrong there too. I even refresh dots at 11-12% and ride the stream to the other side.
    Garalon, I kite but its on a rotation that my range is far off and all my CoA stack drops out. I'm currently asking my RL's to make a slight adjustment on this to see if this helps any.

    I like to know if there any other way to regen souls faster... other than DS and Corrp?

    Thank you Tenser for you inputs, I hope you can provide more info that will help me. I've been watching streams and PoVs.... but still gaps on some fights

  12. #2072
    I was recently told about the addon affdots so I got it and played around with it and I have a few questions. First, I was under the impression that you should refresh all your dots right as but due to my synapse springs being only 10 seconds long and proccing right at the beginning of fight it doesn't match up with my other procs and always ends about 5-10 seconds earlier than my other procs so affdots always show my dots "red". Should I ignore this and refresh my dots with my other 3 procs up and dark soul just about to end?

    Second, alot of times my procs don't line up with my dark soul at all and I end up in a situation where my dark soul comes off cd just as all my procs are on their internal cd. When I pop darksoul affdots shows my dots at either red or yellow, but as far as i know, casting dark soul wouldn't have any effect unless I actually refresh my dots right? or am I wrong here? Anyways, again, should I ignore it and refresh my dots with dark soul?

  13. #2073
    Hello guys!
    I know that i do something wrong as i compare my dps with logs on Elegon. Tonight i had 130k but the minimum dps is 174k nowadays. Could you advise something plz?
    This is the log of that fight: http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/0...?s=8706&e=9148
    Armory: http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte.../Tyraen/simple
    I can link some fights of ToE or HoF also if you think those are more helpful.
    Thanks!

  14. #2074
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    @Tyraen: not a expert but dps increase when you spec in MF and aoe in p2 (SB:Soc then SoC) not sure its applicable in r10 (this technique in r25 is mandatory)

    saw in ur wol that you don't have any soc dmg

  15. #2075
    Thats true, i dont use soc. Never thought about it. I could try it next time! thx

  16. #2076
    Hey everyone, I'm a 490 ilevel affliction lock, but I'm fairly new to raiding as affliction. Currently I do high 60s to low 70s on the meters, and considering my gear I think it's fairly low compared to some others in my guild. So I figure I'm doing something wrong (rotation, stats, etc). I've read some guides here and elsewhere, watched some streams, and checked out some other locks on armory, but I think I'm too new to figure it out on my own.

    Name: Azelgoth
    Realm: HellScream- US
    Link to world of logs for my guild: worldoflogs.com/guilds/66985/
    Link to armory: us.battle.net/wow/en/character/hellscream/Azelgoth/simple
    Link to ask mr robot: askmrrobot.com/wow/gear/usa/hellscream/azelgoth

    Other info:
    I reforged as to Ask Mr Robot's hit cap build as was recommended by many other locks.
    I refresh DOTs only below 50% and as close to timers without falling off.
    I refresh DOTs with procs / time warp.
    Opening rotation is: Jade serpent, CoE, dark soul misery, SB:SS, haunt (maintain), MG spam
    After that I maintain dots and only refresh below 50%, cast and maintain haunt when possible and only when all dots have more than 8 seconds left and I spam MG during haunts. I fill with MG where ever possible. During execute I drain soul instead of MG.
    I pop Jade Serpent before combat and during time warp. I also refresh dots in time warp.
    I use my demon during execute phase to receive full benefits.

  17. #2077
    Quote Originally Posted by Azelgoth View Post
    I use my demon during execute phase to receive full benefits.
    Use him during Bloodlust, he'll do more.

    Looking at a recent Feng kill for you, your DoT uptimes are 92, 86 and 83%. Those are way too low, and have a lot to do with your dps problems. If you're struggling to keep good uptimes on Feng, (which is basically patchwerk) then you're probably struggling to multidot effectively. What are you using to track your DoTs?

  18. #2078
    Quote Originally Posted by Teye View Post
    Use him during Bloodlust, he'll do more.

    Looking at a recent Feng kill for you, your DoT uptimes are 92, 86 and 83%. Those are way too low, and have a lot to do with your dps problems. If you're struggling to keep good uptimes on Feng, (which is basically patchwerk) then you're probably struggling to multidot effectively. What are you using to track your DoTs?
    If you're looking at the most recent fight I died twice during that boss, thus the low numbers.

    I use timers on xperl as well as affdots. During a "perfect" encounter where I don't die I can usually do 98-99% uptime as seen on previous weeks on feng.
    Last edited by Azelgoth; 2012-12-30 at 03:28 PM.

  19. #2079
    Hey Azelgoth.

    Not a real expert here, though I tend to get some good numbers as a fresh affliction warlock (switched from destro, but who cares ?)

    Anyway, as I just looked a little into your logs and reforging/gemming etc... I noticed a few stuffs.

    First of all, about your gear:

    1) Try to get the Darkmoon Fair trinket : Relic of Yu'lon. It shouldn't be too expensive now and it's definitely a best in slot for all casters until you get heroic ones. No question about that. Another thing: I see you upgraded 3 parts of your equipment that are really not BIS. generally, you shall always keep your valor points for at least your weapon when you get it on normal mode, and peferably Tsulong's sword OR Lei Shi's staff. Don't use it on shitty shoulders like you did, especially when it's crit, your worst stat, and a 489 gear piece.

    2) Careful about gemming: You tend to gem mastery all the way (which is supposed to be good at your gear level) but somehow, a lost 160 intell gem is hiding in your shoulders.

    3) Reforge: If you read the guides, you should also know there is now a - supposed to be reached - breakpoint in Haste: 4717 (or 6100 or something at higher gear level). Reach it !

    4) Enchanting: Your cloak !

    Now, about how to dps well, I shall only wish you to go check 2 things:

    - Evrelia's post (it should be a sticky on this forum), where a video explains pretty well the basics of "How to make everyone reroll warlock".
    -Sparkuggz (or Sparkugzz ? I'm always confused with the z or g.. geez) 's video about "how to reach 200k opening a fight". It works just great.

    Now to work on the "you do that, you shouldn't", there are few things.

    1st, your opener is not exactly perfect as it should because of one thing you need to understand and that both very skilled warlocks I just mentioned say, you need to be able to get as much haunt on your target WHEN Dark soul is up. Which means : do not cast Dark Soul and your procs before applying haunt on the target. That said, you shall understand that the perfect opener is about precasting haunt THEN poping your CDs (Dark soul and stuffs..) then applying dots, then MG, then reapplying dots, because your going to get pretty much all your procs in 5 secondes, so you need your dots to gain full power). Usually, you need about 5 Haunts to gain full power for your opener (2 times SB + SS, and 3 Haunts to get full benefit of Dark Soul). And usually, you will get 1 proc of shadow trance so don't worry about that.

    It sounds quite a pain in the ass but you'll manage to get used to it.

    Now, the second important thing is about how you use your haunts. You shall not use it when it's up. That's the very important thing about haunt, never use it when you don't have intell procs. Use it only with your best procs, and there, you'll understand the importance of the Relic of Yu'lon which occurs a lot and empowers your dots AND your haunt, so your dps overall. But yeah, you get the point.

    As a +, I could only tell you to use the very best add on lately for locks: Affdots. It pretty much PLs you. Just go to the warlock post on this forum that explains everything, it will change your life. Good thing about it too is that developpers of this add-on tend to answer very quickly to people who'd like to get special features on it that could help so don't hesitate !

    Oh and if you got trouble about managing your procs, you can always get great add ons such as Tellmewhen or Weakauras.

    Finally, one thing that people shall tell you regading your logs is definitely the uptime of your dots. For example on Feng, you get only 83% uptime on your UA, 86 on corruption, and 92.5 for Agony. You can loose about 10k dps here.

    That's it for the long post. And no, I don't have any potatoe.

  20. #2080
    Was a quick look, sorry.

    That said, you died twice without using a single defensive CD or Healthstone. Dead dps is no dps.

    Went back another week to look at Feng. 64, 64 and 67% for DoT uptime, and you never died. What are you using to track your DoTs?

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