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    Disc at Mimiron HM.

    Tonight, my guild attempted for the first time to try Mimiron's hardmode in 10 men (we were all very well-equipped with coliseum/T9 gear). I am proud to be a Discipline priest, I have faith in this wonderful spec. But, something is wrong. With all the complications of this encounter (and the fact that others 2 healers were shamans), we found that an holy priest should be a lot better than disc, in this case at least (they think holy is always better, but I said them a lot of time that they are still at 2.4 about priest's healing XD). Now, I would know: is effectively "impossible" or "very very hard" to heal in mimiron's hm as disc? Without another great aoe healer, such as resto druid or holy priest?

    P.S. Sorry for the language. And sorry if there is another thread similar to this, but I would know the specific case of mimiron, not in toc hc for example (where my contribute is well appreciated).

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    Re: Disc at Mimiron HM.

    3 raid healers even for P2 mimi HM is a bit excessive, not to mention the fact that you can help a pretty large amount bu shielding a large chunk of players, without a proper single target healer, the two shaman will quite probably stuggle for mana keeping your head tank up in P3+4.

    also, you massively outgear it, it shouldn't be a problem even if you did gimp yourself and go holy ^_^

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    Re: Disc at Mimiron HM.

    i did mimiron hm (10 man) last week with my raid, as disc priest with two heal droods.
    quite good synergy. i healed tank mainly and shielded entire group, always.
    rapture is a total win in this fight with raidbuffed 33k mana.

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    for our first try of the evening i was specced holy... but struggled, cos people were too spread out for poh and coh and there was also a lot of tank healing to do... in my opinion disc priest is a great advantage in this fight.

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    Re: Disc at Mimiron HM.

    I have healed Firefighter as disc many times pre-nerf, so it is definitely possible. You have one problem here and I suspect a second or possibly a third as well.

    First, you have too many healers. One key to 10m Firefighter is high dps so you don't stress the healers towards the end of any given phase, although tbh it's difficult to lack dps now in 245 gear, unless someone doesn't know what he's doing or you're carrying a dps or two (which often happens).

    Secondly, you must have positioning issues, probably due to improper fire kiting. Just because you have Coliseum gear doesn't mean you can zerg everything. If you're not kiting fires to the wall between phases and spreading out properly in all phases, particularly phase 2, you will still fail, as this remains one of the most difficult encounters in the game. Follow the old strats (there are numerous available) and you'll be fine.

    Thirdly, are you sure you know how to play a disc priest properly? In my experience, a disc priest absolutely dominates in Firefighter, so I'm confused that you're having so many issues. You say the shaman are doing 2.4x as much healing as you, which means you are not counting absorbs as effective healing. Have you ever looked at a world of logs parse for disc priests? Including PW:S and DA I'm always first or second, usually ahead of shaman. Are you haste capped? That makes shield spamming much, much faster. Are you keeping PoM on CD?

    Again, just keep in mind that simply because you technically outgear an encounter doesn't mean it will be easy. We still farm Algalon every week to pick up titles in our guild for people who don't yet have them, but you can't just zerg him and watch him die. You still need to follow the established strats or you will wipe, even in 245/258 gear.

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    Re: Disc at Mimiron HM.

    You say the shaman are doing 2.4x as much healing as you, which means you are not counting absorbs as effective healing.
    I'm pretty sure TC meant patch 2.4 where disc priests were pretty much lacking during a raid.

    I'd say a disc priest is pretty valuable during Firefighter, shielding those fire bomb targets during p1 and head&bomb tank (depending on your strat) is quite helpful. 2 shamans along with your shields and PoM should be enough to keep people up during p2.

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    Re: Disc at Mimiron HM.

    Spam shields on 'every time' (as onyxia wipe guy puts it) is all you have to do as disco, I've even raid healed algalon as disco just spamming shields and prayer when my raid leader who is a joker decided I was better than the resto shaman to do it...
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    Re: Disc at Mimiron HM.

    When I do Firefighter on my Priest;

    P1: I'm primarily keeping our MT up while the Holy Priest and Resto Druid cover the Raid. (Yes, we run 3 Healers just for precaution.)

    P2: Is the only interesting phase it seems, we have the Resto Druid specifically watch the Melee while the Ranged stay grouped together being healed by lame Holy Nova Spam while I bounce PoM through the Ranged and the Holy Priests bounces PoM through the Melee.

    P3: I watch the Ranged Tank specifically while the other heals cover everything else so I can't give much input here other than between Shielding and Penance it's pretty boring.

    P4: We have our MT taunt the Head and he tanks all 3 Pieces at once, if you've made it this far with most of your raid, if not all, still alive you have a genuine chance at killing it as it seems one of the easier phases.

    Hopefully this helps, if not, my apologies.

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    first time we did it was with a holy pally and disc priest healing
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    Re: Disc at Mimiron HM.

    Of course, I am not so presumptuous to think that if I am over-equipped for that encounter, then I will zerg it. Not at all, so I am asking here XD
    Really, I usually don't spam PW:S on ALL raid, but just on tanks and on who has the debuff, but I will try it. If only we had Power Word: Barrier...

    P.S. Yes, I meant that my guildmates haven't updated their knowledge about priests at patch 2.4 where Discipline was just a PVP healing spec, and not a PVE one.

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    Re: Disc at Mimiron HM.

    One of the biggest troubles a holy priest has when making the transition to disc is knowing when to use shields. In a 10 man group, especially on Firefighter, the answer is ALWAYS. As soon as the weakened soul debuff is off, shield the target again. Keep weakened soul up on everyone as often as you can, unless you're between essential, life-saving heals. That way you also ensure that rapture is giving you back mana every 12 seconds (and if you keep a shield up on yourself at all times, you get 2x the mana from rapture, i.e. the self-replenishment as well as the effect that hits the target of the shield). You can gauge how well you are shielding by looking at mana gained in recount. As a disc priest, your biggest mana gains should come from rapture, not replenishment.

    I disagree with healing officers who instruct disc priests to focus on a single targets or solely on tanks. If you look at the way our core mechanic and biggest effective heal works (PW:S), it also wasn't designed this way--why else would we be able to shield once per GCD? In other words, if you're not shielding everyone who might need it, you're wasting a core talent, unless you have specific and reasonable instructions to do something else. At the same time, disc priests also shouldn't shield spam mindlessly unless the fight calls for it (e.g. 25 man heroic beasts where you need to help keep the melee up to take stress off the raid healers). You need to throw some healing in there as well. More so than holy priests, disc priests need to balance their priorities.

    But getting back to Firefighter, I think it is one of those fights where it is perfectly appropriate to shield everyone in 10 man (and everyone you're assigned to heal in 25). In fact, you have to, otherwise you will wipe in Phase 2. Get more friendly with your shields and you should be in good shape.

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    Re: Disc at Mimiron HM.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mephistoe
    I disagree with healing officers who instruct disc priests to focus on a single targets or solely on tanks. If you look at the way our core mechanic and biggest effective heal works (PW:S), it also wasn't designed this way--why else would we be able to shield once per GCD? In other words, if you're not shielding everyone who might need it, you're wasting a core talent, unless you have specific and reasonable instructions to do something else. At the same time, disc priests also shouldn't shield spam mindlessly unless the fight calls for it (e.g. 25 man heroic beasts where you need to help keep the melee up to take stress off the raid healers). You need to throw some healing in there as well. More so than holy priests, disc priests need to balance their priorities.

    But getting back to Firefighter, I think it is one of those fights where it is perfectly appropriate to shield everyone in 10 man (and everyone you're assigned to heal in 25). In fact, you have to, otherwise you will wipe in Phase 2. Get more friendly with your shields and you should be in good shape.
    The thing with a disc priest is that we are made for tank healing. PW:S is a really really really good spell to use on the entire raid, but it's only really effective under controlled circumstances. During P2 on firefighter it's very good because the entire raid takes damage all the time. On Twins in ToC it's ownage for the same reason. Whilst fighting bosses with random raid damage, such as Koralon on 25man it shows it's ineffectiveness on the raid since when people stand in ember, they take damage. However, if they're good they move out right away, making PW:S mostly useless since they're not likely to take any damage in the near future unless a burning breath is coming up.

    When it comes to other spells the only real healer that's made more for tank healing is the paladin. Every other healer has some sort of aoe-heal (circle of healing, wild growth, chain heal), whilst the disc priest only has PW:S spam and PoH. PoH is good, yes, but if you're a disc priest set on raid healing during Koralon, for example, you'll find you will run oom O_o. Penance is a great spell able to push out 15-18k healing in less than 1.5 seconds, this together with big shields, PoM and flash heals and you can burst out like 30k healing/absorption in 5 seconds.

    I'm rambling, but the main point is disc priests excel at tank healing, whilst still having a good but situational ability to raid heal.
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    Re: Disc at Mimiron HM.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mephistoe
    I have healed Firefighter as disc many times pre-nerf, so it is definitely possible. You have one problem here and I suspect a second or possibly a third as well.

    First, you have too many healers. One key to 10m Firefighter is high dps so you don't stress the healers towards the end of any given phase, although tbh it's difficult to lack dps now in 245 gear, unless someone doesn't know what he's doing or you're carrying a dps or two (which often happens).

    Secondly, you must have positioning issues, probably due to improper fire kiting. Just because you have Coliseum gear doesn't mean you can zerg everything. If you're not kiting fires to the wall between phases and spreading out properly in all phases, particularly phase 2, you will still fail, as this remains one of the most difficult encounters in the game. Follow the old strats (there are numerous available) and you'll be fine.

    Thirdly, are you sure you know how to play a disc priest properly? In my experience, a disc priest absolutely dominates in Firefighter, so I'm confused that you're having so many issues. You say the shaman are doing 2.4x as much healing as you, which means you are not counting absorbs as effective healing. Have you ever looked at a world of logs parse for disc priests? Including PW:S and DA I'm always first or second, usually ahead of shaman. Are you haste capped? That makes shield spamming much, much faster. Are you keeping PoM on CD?

    Again, just keep in mind that simply because you technically outgear an encounter doesn't mean it will be easy. We still farm Algalon every week to pick up titles in our guild for people who don't yet have them, but you can't just zerg him and watch him die. You still need to follow the established strats or you will wipe, even in 245/258 gear.
    Read that.

    Discipline is AMAZING for this encounter, ESPECIALLY in 10 man. With only 10 people it's easy to have them all shielded the entire fight, which is a HUGE buffer for the raid healers and you can keep the tank up. That's just one way of course.

    If your leaders actually think Holy is "always better" I suspect your leaders are the problem, along with bad DPS and people who don't know what they are doing (due to horrible leadership and/or stupidity).

    Quote Originally Posted by Pheonixis
    I'm rambling, but the main point is disc priests excel at tank healing, whilst still having a good but situational ability to raid heal.
    Exactly. We supplement raid healers while being awesome at quickly healing spike damage on tanks.

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    Re: Disc at Mimiron HM.

    I just did firefighter tonight as Disc and as I said to my guildies, Disc is made for this encounter.

    In P1 you are perfect for healing up the napalm shells and you have good burst healing for the plasma blast as well as pain supression (granted holy has gs which is better for this but both work well).

    In P2 you shield spam the entire raid constantly and spotheal low people with penance. Your presence there just makes it so much easier for the other healers its silly.

    P3 and P4 just shield and heal as needed. Cake!

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    Re: Disc at Mimiron HM.

    Yeeeh! We killed him! ;D
    With 3 healers (me, a resto druid and a resto shaman) and 1 tank. Thanks for the help guys! XD

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    Re: Disc at Mimiron HM.

    Quote Originally Posted by RexItaliae
    Yeeeh! We killed him! ;D
    With 3 healers (me, a resto druid and a resto shaman) and 1 tank. Thanks for the help guys! XD
    gz on the kill.

    that's how we did it back in ulduar days.
    best setup for the encounter imo.
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    Re: Disc at Mimiron HM.

    Erm the first few times we downed mim hm on 10 man we used a resto druid+holy pala

    The resto druid left the guild so we started using a disc priest and holy pala and had no problems at all, we have a ret using judgement of light? Think thats the one... That heals you when you attack the target
    So Disc should be very do-able to 3 man heal mim

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    Re: Disc at Mimiron HM.

    Most of the times I've done firefighter were Holy Pally, Me as Disc and a Resto Druid. My personal belief is that a disc priest and resto druid are the best raid healing combo out there. A shaman can do well but this is just my personal belief. And disc is insanely good for this encounter, in fact I tried it as holy once at the request of a moron and I hated it.

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