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    Re: Stupid Ret Pallies are so FACEROLL!

    Quote Originally Posted by Rhonen
    I was done caring what others said/say about my class before Wrath even launched. Honestly, whatever "evidence" you try to provide for the contrary will always be negated by the fact that YOU ARE A RET PALLY AND MOST OF THE WOW COMMUNITY WILL HATE YOU NO MATTER WHAT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhonen
    If they're smart, they already have a target of target or mouse-over macro made to toss an insta-heal on the tank or anyone else when needed...so easy to do, not sure why anyone that isn't a fotm reroll wouldn't...
    You mean like this:

    #showtooltip Flash of Light
    /cast [target=target,help,nodead][target=targettarget,help,nodead][target=player] Flash of Light

    Thing is, we don't have time to spare an instant FoL on the tank- Not to say its 100% bad to do so. I like to toss one on him every time he dips under 40-60% health or so.

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    Re: Stupid Ret Pallies are so FACEROLL!

    Ret isnt hard to do its just really boring ever since the seal of vengeance change came out, Usually i just stick to keeping CS off cooldown and things tend to clash less. The only thing that pisses me off is when vengeance falls off on certain fights (First Icehowl wall smash just as everyone pops heroism and he takes 100% more damage with AW up :'()

    But yeah, Doesnt matter how you say it rets rotation is generally going to be mash buttons and damage happens the only difference is what order you press it in which doesnt really matter if you have half a brain.
    Because some players aren't looking for anything logical, like loot. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned or negotiated with. Some players just want to watch the group fail.

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    Re: Stupid Ret Pallies are so FACEROLL!



    Gah, these threads make me sick, theres already 10000 exact same ones!

    Lets change subject and talk about wombats for a change!
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  4. #24

    Re: Stupid Ret Pallies are so FACEROLL!

    /castsequence reset=10 Crusader Strike, Divine Storm, Judgement of Wisdom, Crusader Strike, Exorcism, Consecration, Crusader Strike, Judgement of Wisdom, Crusader Strike, Consecration


    /thread.


  5. #25

    Re: Stupid Ret Pallies are so FACEROLL!

    Quote Originally Posted by surma
    /castsequence reset=10 Crusader Strike, Divine Storm, Judgement of Wisdom, Crusader Strike, Exorcism, Consecration, Crusader Strike, Judgement of Wisdom, Crusader Strike, Consecration


    /thread.

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    Re: Stupid Ret Pallies are so FACEROLL!

    Quote Originally Posted by Mew
    Press 1 a few times, then press 2. Keep doing that for 6 minutes, and maybe throw in a mana gem. El oh EL.

    What good would turning on and off shoot, then using blink do for me?

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    Re: Stupid Ret Pallies are so FACEROLL!

    It's not hard to maximize my DPS as a ret paladin. Not hard at all. Of course, I also play a mage, druid, and rogue. It's not hard to maximize my DPS with any of those either. A little research into proper enchants/gems and rotation, then some practice on a training dummy... add in a little real raiding experience, and I'm at the top of my game with any of the four classes I mentioned. All of those classes run into fight-specific issues, such as when to use cooldowns. It all comes together with some practice though.

    But maximizing my DPS as a ret paladin isn't the end of the story. A good ret paladin does far more than maximize DPS. Having played all four of the above mentioned classes in raids, I can say with confidence that I have far more to do as a ret paladin than as any of the other classes. I have to watch the entire raid. I have to watch everyone's threat. I have to watch the boss to know when to use my utility, because people aren't always going to call it out on vent. Meanwhile I have to do the normal things: stand in the right place, and use the right DPS abilities at the right times to maximize my DPS.

    I'm not saying this is hard. But a GOOD ret paladin has plenty of things to watch, even though we don't have to time DoT reapplication or manage diverse procs. I have to use my own wisdom and experience much of the time to guide me. Is this the right time to Lay or Sac the tank? Is this a good time to Bubble/DivSac or Aura Mastery? Does that DPSer need a Salv? Does that other DPSer need a BoP? Should I taunt that small add off a clothie and bring it back to the tank? Should I stop some DPS here to do a little off healing?

    Honestly, I doubt my raid group even notices all the things I'm doing on a given fight. They see my DPS on recount at the end. But that's ok, I know what I bring.
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    Re: Stupid Ret Pallies are so FACEROLL!

    Quote Originally Posted by surma
    /castsequence reset=10 Crusader Strike, Divine Storm, Judgement of Wisdom, Crusader Strike, Exorcism, Consecration, Crusader Strike, Judgement of Wisdom, Crusader Strike, Consecration


    /thread.

    I have a pally, but I haven't played her much as ret. But from what I remember, that type of macro would not be efficient in the least. Things would not always come off of cooldown in that order.
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  9. #29

    Re: Stupid Ret Pallies are so FACEROLL!

    Quote Originally Posted by Mew
    I pity the guild that raids with you.
    I raid on a DK, not a paladin. I just posted that macro to prove a point.

  10. #30

    Re: Stupid Ret Pallies are so FACEROLL!

    haha mage is the true faceroll class ^_^

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    Re: Stupid Ret Pallies are so FACEROLL!

    Quote Originally Posted by Kentukyfried
    I have a pally, but I haven't played her much as ret. But from what I remember, that type of macro would not be efficient in the least. Things would not always come off of cooldown in that order.
    They actually do, you should try it if you don't think it works. I took my prot pally ret to finish out leveling her, a friend gave me that macro and now my pally is 80 and spec'd back to prot again.

  12. #32

    Re: Stupid Ret Pallies are so FACEROLL!

    Quote Originally Posted by Kentukyfried
    I have a pally, but I haven't played her much as ret. But from what I remember, that type of macro would not be efficient in the least. Things would not always come off of cooldown in that order.
    Correct. That particle macro gets close, but fails to maximize DPS.

    Quote Originally Posted by surma
    They actually do, you should try it if you don't think it works. I took my prot pally ret to finish out leveling her, a friend gave me that macro and now my pally is 80 and spec'd back to prot again.
    I just tried it. There were many times where it was trying to Consecrate or Exo when DS was off cooldown. This is a DPS loss.

    EDIT: To clarify, it does the rotation correctly at first, but falls more and more out of sync as it goes. It would work well as a leveling macro, for sure, where everything is dead by the time the macro starts failing. However, boss fights aren't that short.

    EDIT again: in two minute training dummy tests, that macro fell 20% short of my manual dps.
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    Re: Stupid Ret Pallies are so FACEROLL!

    Quote Originally Posted by surma
    I raid on a DK, not a paladin. I just posted that macro to prove a point.
    To prove DKs are mostly re-rolls?

  14. #34

    Re: Stupid Ret Pallies are so FACEROLL!

    Quote Originally Posted by Ronark
    To prove DKs are mostly re-rolls?
    Dk's are all going to be re-rolls unless you are new to the game, go troll else where.

    The point thats being proven is that ret paladins dps cycle can be entirely macro'd there for they are a face roll class. Regardless of whether or not the macro is made for maximum dps or not it still works, and pallys are still a face roll class.


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    Re: Stupid Ret Pallies are so FACEROLL!

    Quote Originally Posted by Ronark
    To prove DKs are mostly re-rolls?
    I'm honestly not sure what his point is either. Sure, you could do that, and providing the cool downs line up, it still wouldn't work in 90% of any raid encounters...but, ya' know...

    I guess I'll try to prove a meaningless point, too. On my DK I have very literally placed my deceases in a line across my keys and then added my actual rotation afterward and managed to kill an elite mob on my Death Knight while slowly rolling my nose across my keys.

    C wut i did thar?
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    Re: Stupid Ret Pallies are so FACEROLL!

    Quote Originally Posted by SPF18
    I'm honestly not sure what his point is either. Sure, you could do that, and providing the cool downs line up, it still wouldn't work in 90% of any raid encounters...but, ya' know...

    I guess I'll try to prove a meaningless point, too. On my DK I have very literally placed my deceases in a line across my keys and then added my actual rotation afterward and managed to kill an elite mob on my Death Knight while slowly rolling my nose across my keys.

    C wut i did thar?
    So, if ret paladins are faceroll and DKs are noseroll, what does that make arcane mages?
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    Re: Stupid Ret Pallies are so FACEROLL!

    Feral druids would have been with the Ele shaman and the Destro warlock. Obviously feral is much easier to play then ret....
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    Re: Stupid Ret Pallies are so FACEROLL!

    Quote Originally Posted by belfpala
    So, if ret paladins are faceroll and DKs are noseroll, what does that make arcane mages?
    Facesmash, I suppose, as long as your 2 keys are close.
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    Re: Stupid Ret Pallies are so FACEROLL!

    Quote Originally Posted by surma
    Dk's are all going to be re-rolls unless you are new to the game, go troll else where.

    The point thats being proven is that ret paladins dps cycle can be entirely macro'd there for they are a face roll class. Regardless of whether or not the macro is made for maximum dps or not it still works, and pallys are still a face roll class.

    Any class can macro its rotation. One button TBC Hunters, anyone?

    Quote Originally Posted by SPF18
    I'm honestly not sure what his point is either. Sure, you could do that, and providing the cool downs line up, it still wouldn't work in 90% of any raid encounters...but, ya' know...

    I guess I'll try to prove a meaningless point, too. On my DK I have very literally placed my deceases in a line across my keys and then added my actual rotation afterward and managed to kill an elite mob on my Death Knight while slowly rolling my nose across my keys.

    C wut i did thar?
    Thats part of the point: that you can't have a DK without rerolling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heywes
    Feral druids would have been with the Ele shaman and the Destro warlock. Obviously feral is much easier to play then ret....
    I'd rather Ret had a feral-like rotation.

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    Re: Stupid Ret Pallies are so FACEROLL!

    No you're a towel!

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