Any tank out there with 50k+ unbuffed yet?

[Daez]

Please quit counting Sanc/Kings. The question was unbuffed, and is not the same as Frost Presence on a DK which is more like going Bear Form on a Druid, it's required to be able to tank at all, whereas blessings are not.

The GENERAL logic is SELF BUFFED. So, a paladin should have BoS added directly into his stamina/hp pool because he will ALWAYS have it unless he is a moron. Granted, gearing for that much stamina (as given in my examples) is something a moron would do, but I have faith that anyone that could get to that gear has the brains to always keep Blessing of Sanctuary up. I consider commanding shout while talking about warriors as well. Not to mention frost presence and bear form. Self buffs count for the class in question.

[Guitarn]

The GENERAL logic is SELF BUFFED.

That's great and all, but the OP specifically said unbuffed.

I would associate Kings/Sanc for a paladin with Horn of Winter for a Death Knight (or Mark of the Wild for a Druid). Yes, they'll always be using it, but it's not a "required" tanking buff (unlike Righteous Fury, Dire Bear Form, and Frost Presence).

So, continue with the fully unbuffed mindset so they can have some fun

[Enders]

The GENERAL logic is SELF BUFFED. So, a paladin should have BoS added directly into his stamina/hp pool because he will ALWAYS have it unless he is a moron. Granted, gearing for that much stamina (as given in my examples) is something a moron would do, but I have faith that anyone that could get to that gear has the brains to always keep Blessing of Sanctuary up. I consider commanding shout while talking about warriors as well. Not to mention frost presence and bear form. Self buffs count for the class in question.

That's stupid, because EVERY class will have blessing of sanctuary, kings, commanding shout, etc. in a raid environment. The ONLY buffs that should be counted are *self-only* buffs, like forms and presences, when talking about unbuffed anything.

[Melonberry]

The GENERAL logic is SELF BUFFED. So, a paladin should have BoS added directly into his stamina/hp pool because he will ALWAYS have it unless he is a moron. Granted, gearing for that much stamina (as given in my examples) is something a moron would do, but I have faith that anyone that could get to that gear has the brains to always keep Blessing of Sanctuary up. I consider commanding shout while talking about warriors as well. Not to mention frost presence and bear form. Self buffs count for the class in question.

A paladin would also ALWAYS have fort, mark, flask, etc etc etc unless hes a moron...Should we count those as unbuffed too? Let's stick with unbuffed.

[TheSineLaw]

Why on earth are people saying Prot Paladins have an extra 10% stam just because of Sanctuary

[Ceara]

The GENERAL logic is SELF BUFFED. So, a paladin should have BoS added directly into his stamina/hp pool because he will ALWAYS have it unless he is a moron. Granted, gearing for that much stamina (as given in my examples) is something a moron would do, but I have faith that anyone that could get to that gear has the brains to always keep Blessing of Sanctuary up. I consider commanding shout while talking about warriors as well. Not to mention frost presence and bear form. Self buffs count for the class in question.

Speaking of general logic, this thread is about tanks who are unbuffed, not self buffed.

[happyness]

Paladins do have a talent that gives 6% increased stamina as protection.

[Sidonis]

Paladins do have a talent that gives 6% increased stamina as protection.

They get 14% from talents actually, 6% from Combat Expertise, and 8% from Sacred Duty.

[Deathleech]

So are we counting warriors "unbuffed" with their commanding shout too? Cause if we are factoring in paladins Sanctuary than surely warriors will always have that shout for themselves, and druids mark of the wild.

[volrathy]

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...urne&cn=Popolo

Thats the best geared tank on my server and hes well short of 50k unbuffed. Im not sure its entirely possible even stacking stamina

[roguewan]

Haven't read all the replies so i'm not sure if this is interesting, but a druidtank on my realm has 52,5k unbuffed in bearform.

[Crunchbite]

http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/879...2009190723.jpg

observe the no tenacity. yeah yeah he had survival instincts and a stam trinket procced but that's just insane.

[enbee]

Selfbuffs: Places a Blessing on the friendly target, reducing damage taken from all sources by 3% for 10 min and increasing strength and stamina by 10%. In addition, when the target blocks, parries, or dodges a melee attack the target will gain 2% of maximum displayed mana. Players may only have one Blessing on them per Paladin at any one time.

EDIT: New Sanctuary buff

I'm sure someones corrected you allready as this post is on the first page and pretty wrong, but if not : Sanctuary is not a selfbuff only... so anyone can get it, and on top of that, and thats the important thing -> It does not stack with kings



On topic : most I can reach is 46kish unbuffed, but I don't, as it's unnessecary... so I use the armour trinket instead of the normal mode stam trinket, and I don't use any silly enchants. It's currently not possible to get 50K as a paladin (I say this without running the numbers, perhaps in full 258 and lolenchants/gems you have 50001)

-> http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sh...utland&n=Enbee pretty close to BiS, and nowhere near 50k ub (lets ignore 258 t9)


So the answer is within all reasonable likelyhood : NO(unless you have fur)

[enbee]

It's not a problem though, i've got the most HP out of all the current tanks, and i believe due to Holy Shield, i've got the highest avoidance out of us all.

What exactly would holy shield do to your avoidance? I assume you ment to type mitigation

Also when calcing "block cap", do you consider raidbuffs? Pretty easy to achieve with (esp. if someone is debuffing for miss), very hard to achieve without, I've been floating around it for ages(ub), while at this point in tbc I had 10% more avoidance, and 20k hp was NICE

[Edeila]

k, SO after going through all loot tables and slowly picking out the highest stam pieces i have concluded that:

1. Took a pally because 1 stam = 1.14 (14% additional stam from talents)
2. with gear alone (no chants/gems) is 36,634 unbuffed
3. Adding gems he gains 749 unmodified and moves up to 44,899
4. Adding enchants it goes up to 47,519
Meaning hitting 50k for a pally is damn near impossible D:
but on a fun fact most would think that a pure stam stacking pally would be scrubish as he wouldn't meet caps.

Defense Rating
771
Defense Skill
556
Dodge Rating
592
Dodge Chance %
25.47
Parry Rating
456
Parry Chance %
22.06
Block
306
Block Rating
0
Block Chance %
11.24
Avoidance %
70.3

Add holy shield to him and boom 100% avoidance.

[enbee]

k, SO after going through all loot tables and slowly picking out the highest stam pieces i have concluded that:

1. Took a pally because 1 stam = 1.14 (14% additional stam from talents)
2. with gear alone (no chants/gems) is 36,634 unbuffed
3. Adding gems he gains 749 unmodified and moves up to 44,899
4. Adding enchants it goes up to 47,519
Meaning hitting 50k for a pally is damn near impossible D:
but on a fun fact most would think that a pure stam stacking pally would be scrubish as he wouldn't meet caps.

Defense Rating
771
Defense Skill
556
Dodge Rating
592
Dodge Chance %
25.47
Parry Rating
456
Parry Chance %
22.06
Block
306
Block Rating
0
Block Chance %
11.24
Avoidance %
70.3

Add holy shield to him and boom 100% avoidance.

Sigh... avoiding a hit means you take 0 damage, block is NOT avoidance.

Stop spreading lies

[Tempered]

When I originally posted I was under the impression the OP meant UNBUFFED. Get that self-buffed crap out of here. We all know that everyone in the raid is likely to have all available buffs. I was not including Commanding Shout into my calculations. My warrior sits shy of 42k UNBUFFED. I am not in BiS gear but with almost all the best available gear I can attain. Guild is currently 3/5 TotGC 25H.

We all know bears and paladins will/should have more HP. Yes I realize every tanking class gets stam bonuses. Bears and paladins have more is all. I still want to see a link to that paladins armory though. 47k WITHOUT Sanc seems rather high and I want to be sad/jealous of his gear. Then again extreme stam stacking is slightly retarded.

Oh and offtopic but a few people had mentioned it. Raid buffed I'm at 51.8k, Last Stand + H Satrina's popped I can get up to 74k~

I love doing WG with lots of tenacity. Most hp I've seen myself at so far is 128k. I felt OP.

[Shamb]

With a tauren it should be very doable.

With other races... still doable, but you'd suck big hairy balls cause you'd have 0 avoidance, you'd be a huge mana void zone for healers.

[Wotch]

Our Feral Tank chills close to 50k unbuffed and sits at a few hundred under 60k in a 25man raid

[velourea]

There was this warrior on my server with 50276 hp. Too bad he had like 0 avoidance

that's funny, I only stack stamina too and still got a lot of avoidance.

too bad you can't count on rng to save lives