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    The REAL reason behind the LoH nerf.

    I can't believe no one's figured it out yet. It's so simple

    Paladins are holy knights correct? Lay on Hands is laying your hands on someone right?

    By using LoH on ourselves we've been sinning. God is angry that we've been touching ourselves all these years.
    In the beginning using we didn't use LoH much because it was bad for us. After a few years and some things changed we began touching ourselves more frequently. and now god is punishing us.

    This explains the Sacred Shield nerf too. God will be shielding us less frequently now. If we keep it up eventually we'll lose Divine shield, divine protection, and even the use of the Holy Light. We'll have to make our living by selling crack on the street.

    To fix this we must perform ancient catholic rituals. We have to go to the cathedral of light in stormwind, target the altar boy, and.... ok i'll stop now.

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    Re: The REAL reason behind the LoH nerf.

    [Blizzquote author=Ghostcrawler]As you can see, we are trying some different things with some paladin mechanics.

    The Aura Mastery change (to 6 sec duration) is one we think is appropriate. If I had to guess, this one will stick.

    We are trying some things with Sacred Shield to make it more of a Holy tool and less useful for Ret and Prot (without being totally irrelevant). I don't have a lot of faith that the implementation on the PTR is the one we'll go with for a couple of reasons, but our overall goal is to make Ret less tanky and the Holy tree feel like it's the right one to focus on for healing. I would expect a Sacred Shield change of some kind though.

    I wouldn't worry too much on the Lay on Hands change at this point. I don't want to promise we won't change the spell for 3.3, but our intent was to revert the others only change before it went out to the PTR, which is why we didn't patch note it. We have already changed it back on our local builds.

    The paladin class isn't just supposed to be for support anymore, but at the same time, the original intent for many paladin abilities was to help the group. Over time however they have contributed into making the paladin into a "one-man army," able to play offensively, defensively and heal without say the stance changing or shapeshifting or sometimes event talent specialization required of other classes. Many of the LK balance problems we've had with the class are because of that core issue.

    With that said, we're just not sure a Lay on Hands change really accomplishes much from a balance perspective, while it feels bad to lose such an iconic ability. We just don't think the bang for the buck is there on this change, which is why we reverted it. But I'm not going to promise we won't touch it.

    In fact, I'm not going to promise anything with this post. Please don't dredge it up later to try and argue against any upcoming changes. I'm just trying to clear up some confusion. [/blizzquote]

    In other words...the change to LoH isn't going through, and it was never meant to even hit the PTR.
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    Re: The REAL reason behind the LoH nerf.

    Quote Originally Posted by Keile
    [Blizzquote author=Ghostcrawler]As you can see, we are trying some different things with some paladin mechanics.

    The Aura Mastery change (to 6 sec duration) is one we think is appropriate. If I had to guess, this one will stick.

    We are trying some things with Sacred Shield to make it more of a Holy tool and less useful for Ret and Prot (without being totally irrelevant). I don't have a lot of faith that the implementation on the PTR is the one we'll go with for a couple of reasons, but our overall goal is to make Ret less tanky and the Holy tree feel like it's the right one to focus on for healing. I would expect a Sacred Shield change of some kind though.

    I wouldn't worry too much on the Lay on Hands change at this point. I don't want to promise we won't change the spell for 3.3, but our intent was to revert the others only change before it went out to the PTR, which is why we didn't patch note it. We have already changed it back on our local builds.

    The paladin class isn't just supposed to be for support anymore, but at the same time, the original intent for many paladin abilities was to help the group. Over time however they have contributed into making the paladin into a "one-man army," able to play offensively, defensively and heal without say the stance changing or shapeshifting or sometimes event talent specialization required of other classes. Many of the LK balance problems we've had with the class are because of that core issue.

    With that said, we're just not sure a Lay on Hands change really accomplishes much from a balance perspective, while it feels bad to lose such an iconic ability. We just don't think the bang for the buck is there on this change, which is why we reverted it. But I'm not going to promise we won't touch it.

    In fact, I'm not going to promise anything with this post. Please don't dredge it up later to try and argue against any upcoming changes. I'm just trying to clear up some confusion. [/blizzquote]
    friend, I was just joking around. You needn't post that here.

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    Re: The REAL reason behind the LoH nerf.

    Quote Originally Posted by holyme
    friend, I was just joking around. You needn't post that here.
    I wanted to post it somewhere a lot of people were bound to look. This looked like a good thread.

    Wasn't actually aiming it at you, but the other people who were bound to cry themselves to death.
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    Re: The REAL reason behind the LoH nerf.

    Quote Originally Posted by Keile
    I wanted to post it somewhere a lot of people were bound to look. This looked like a good thread.

    Wasn't actually aiming it at you, but the other people who were bound to cry themselves to death.
    de nada. I just wanted to make a humorous post for people to laugh at. I'm sure everyone will appreciate your effort to clear up this confusion. I know I do.

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    Re: The REAL reason behind the LoH nerf.

    Quote Originally Posted by holyme
    friend, I was just joking around. You needn't post that here.
    rofl, it's beyond me how some people simply cannot understand plain, good, old-fashioned sarcasm.

    and to what OP said: rofl, best explanation ever
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    Re: The REAL reason behind the LoH nerf.

    Quote Originally Posted by laur0511
    rofl, it's beyond me how some people simply cannot understand plain, good, old-fashioned sarcasm.

    and to what OP said: rofl, best explanation ever
    Why thank you I wrote that blaspheme myself

  8. #8

    Re: The REAL reason behind the LoH nerf.

    I can't enter Stormwind Holyme? I am horde they kill me =*(. Am i doomed?

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    Re: The REAL reason behind the LoH nerf.

    paladins are getting new spell.

    Call of the martyr
    100% base mana
    25 minute cool down

    The paladin charges him/herself with holy energy and runs into a group of people before exploding killing all mobs in vicinity along with self. Paladin will rez instantly awaiting his/her 72 virgins only to realize that they're all orcs.
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    Re: The REAL reason behind the LoH nerf.

    You must talk to the Altar Boy in Stormwind to reset the cooldown on LoH. This can only be done once every 20 minutes.
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    Re: The REAL reason behind the LoH nerf.

    Quote Originally Posted by Recompence
    paladins are getting new spell.

    Call of the martyr
    100% base mana
    25 minute cool down

    The paladin charges him/herself with holy energy and runs into a group of people before exploding killing all mobs in vicinity along with self. Paladin will rez instantly awaiting his/her 72 virgins only to realize that they're all orcs.
    lol.... i can see this thread getting deleted or locked at some point... in before lock.



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    Re: The REAL reason behind the LoH nerf.

    Quote Originally Posted by Recompence
    paladins are getting new spell.

    Call of the martyr
    100% base mana
    25 minute cool down

    The paladin charges him/herself with holy energy and runs into a group of people before exploding killing all mobs in vicinity along with self. Paladin will rez instantly awaiting his/her 72 virgins only to realize that they're all orcs.
    Would be totally balanced. In blizzards eyes.

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    Re: The REAL reason behind the LoH nerf.

    Quote Originally Posted by Recompence
    paladins are getting new spell.

    Call of the martyr
    100% base mana
    25 minute cool down

    The paladin charges him/herself with holy energy and runs into a group of people before exploding killing all mobs in vicinity along with self. Paladin will rez instantly awaiting his/her 72 virgins only to realize that they're all orcs.
    made me chuckle :P
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    Re: The REAL reason behind the LoH nerf.

    Quote Originally Posted by holyme
    God is angry that we've been touching ourselves all these years.
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    Re: The REAL reason behind the LoH nerf.

    Quote Originally Posted by Falconblade
    You must talk to the Altar Boy in Stormwind to reset the cooldown on LoH. This can only be done once every 20 minutes.
    Only if you use the spell on him first and which might get you in trouble irl, depending the country you live in.. Hello, UK's ^^

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    Re: The REAL reason behind the LoH nerf.

    Quote Originally Posted by Recompence
    paladins are getting new spell.

    Call of the martyr
    100% base mana
    25 minute cool down

    The paladin charges him/herself with holy energy and runs into a group of people before exploding killing all mobs in vicinity along with self. Paladin will rez instantly awaiting his/her 72 virgins only to realize that they're all orcs.
    OMFG I almost died laughing. That's even better than my original post lol

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    Re: The REAL reason behind the LoH nerf.

    Quote Originally Posted by Recompence
    paladins are getting new spell.

    Call of the martyr
    100% base mana
    25 minute cool down

    The paladin charges him/herself with holy energy and runs into a group of people before exploding killing all mobs in vicinity along with self. Paladin will rez instantly awaiting his/her 72 virgins only to realize that they're all orcs.
    Male orc virgins.
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    Re: The REAL reason behind the LoH nerf.

    The only thing that matters now is that will be changed so .. im so happy ( for pvp stuff, not pve ) .. cheers paladins, luv ya
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    Re: The REAL reason behind the LoH nerf.

    Quote Originally Posted by No_Saints
    Only if you use the spell on him first and which might get you in trouble irl, depending the country you live in.. Hello, UK's ^^
    Nah. you can get around the law by getting the achievement "Become a musician" and gain the title "King of Pop"
    You still have to pay millions of gold to get out of it. But you can cast LoH on all the children you want.

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    Re: The REAL reason behind the LoH nerf.

    Quote Originally Posted by holyme
    I can't believe no one's figured it out yet. It's so simple...
    HA HA HA, YOU SO FUNNY !!! /sarcasm

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