Not doing the DPS i should be

[Andybiff]

Hello all. I have been having a bit of trouble with my DK not doing the DPS it should. Other DK in the same guild is doing more then me with Worse gear. Getting around 3.7 dps and upto 4K at times. really should be higher. we are specked the same for Blood and my rotation is currently

IT PS HS HS DS DC HS HS HS HS REPEAT.

Build
http://armory.wow-europe.com/talent-...00000000000000

Char
http://armory.wow-europe.com/charact...&gn=BlackAdder

dunno if i need more hit? but trying to put Strength gems in place where possible to increase AP.

Any help really appreciated.

Character name Imspartacus on Nordrassil EU

[Nangz]

The correct rotation is

PS IT HS HS DS DC DUMP
DS HS HS HS HS DC DUMP

thats it

[Deleted]

The correct rotation is

PS IT HS HS DS DC DUMP
DS HS HS HS HS DC DUMP

thats it

When you say 'DC' thats actually a part of the dump. So skip the 'DC' part and just go with 'DUMP'

Rot1: PS - IT - HS - HS - DS - Dump
Rot2: DS - HS - HS - HS - HS - Dump
Rot1 again.

[Deleted]

And another thing.
If you are raiding ToC, go Unholy. It IS better.

[Nangz]

When you say 'DC' thats actually a part of the dump. So skip the 'DC' part and just go with 'DUMP'

Rot1: PS - IT - HS - HS - DS - Dump
Rot2: DS - HS - HS - HS - HS - Dump
Rot1 again.

ummm no

if you have 20 rp and you dodge as dps you should always runestrike and because you have only 20 its a dump

[Gigajot]

your rotation isn't right, the one linked above should be correct

[Ericdaroude]

ummm no

if you have 20 rp and you dodge as dps you should always runestrike and because you have only 20 its a dump

I lol'd

[General Vezax]

I lol'd

seconded

[Nangz]

So your telling me a runestrike for 12k and 20 rp on the occasional add aggro or boss whirl is a dps loss? Or did i misread you lol

[Noxia]

So your telling me a runestrike for 12k and 20 rp on the occasional add aggro or boss whirl is a dps loss? Or did i misread you lol

Actually... It's not that simple. Runestrike is a "next melee" ability, as in it replaces one of your auto attack swings. So the actual runestrike portion out of that 12k is something like 4-5kdmg. What I mean here is that by using runestrike and spending 20rp, your melee swing only hits around 4,5k harder, definately NOT 12k. For runestrike to be worth it, this added damage must be atleast 50% of the damage a death coil would deal. For frost and unholy specs, spending your runic power on runestrike is actually a DPS loss unless it happens to proc while you're soaking RP with AMS.

Now as for blood: the runestrike would very likely hit for over 50% of death coils damage since you're stacking ArP. HOWEVER, If you have only 20rp and you use RS at the end of rotation 1 just like you're suggesting, you will be at 0 runic power when you start rotation 2 which begins with DS, and your deathstrike won't benefit from glyph of death strike at all because you have no RP left. This means using runestrike in the way you suggested is, as a matter of fact, a dps loss.

[Dreager_ex]

I don't know how much your Melee swings are hitting for but a Rune strike is about 8k damage stacked on top of my normal melee damage, which, for blood, is more damage than a Death coil.

Its definetely valid to spend RP on a RS over a DC. Even if it means you miss out on a DC because of a lack in RP. (Assuming you keep at least enough RP for DS glyph.)

BTW, Bringing up unholy and Frost in a thread about blood is pointless, so stop it.

[Nangz]

Well lets look at it like this

once ur diseases bouto to fall off and you have 100 rp

2 dc and a rune strike

then you apply your diseases for 20 rp

i think 1 rune strike and -5% ds damage due to the glyph would be WAY worth it

generally if it crits as blood rune strike is my biggest hitting attack over 15k with self buffs and hysteria when death strike self buffe is around 11k with hysteria

[General Vezax]

So what melee swings are you dodging as dps?

[Nangz]

So what melee swings are you dodging as dps?

lets see....
Snobolds
worm whirl
icehowl whirl
jaraxxus adds
faction champs
anub buggers.....

[Noxia]

I don't know how much your Melee swings are hitting for but a Rune strike is about 8k damage stacked on top of my normal melee damage, which, for blood, is more damage than a Death coil.

Its definetely valid to spend RP on a RS over a DC. Even if it means you miss out on a DC because of a lack in RP. (Assuming you keep at least enough RP for DS glyph.)

BTW, Bringing up unholy and Frost in a thread about blood is pointless, so stop it.

Perhaps you should re-read what I wrote. Basically you are trying to "correct" me and then you end up saying the same stuff I did. I said it is not worth it to use rs in the manner that was proposed earlier, exactly for the reasons you are stating: it would take you down to 0 RP for your next death strike and thus it would be a DPS loss. Anyway... 8k? Do your melee swings crit for 15k regularly or what?

[Andybiff]

Thanks all for the comments. so i need to fully dump my Rp using a dc dc and a RS when the DRW is not available.


Melee strikes are around 4 -5K ish dunno if my hit needs to be a little higher bit swapping a few crit gems to take into account more spell hit.

[Andybiff]

Oops crit for around 9 - 12K but not that often. especially after the greatness card pops and can get 22K in ToC HC with heroism and greatness card proc.

[Andybiff]

Do you think its wort swapping my crit gems for strength? cant just be the rotation? or is it?

[Adon]

Hello all. I have been having a bit of trouble with my DK not doing the DPS it should. Other DK in the same guild is doing more then me with Worse gear. Getting around 3.7 dps and upto 4K at times. really should be higher. we are specked the same for Blood and my rotation is currently

IT PS HS HS DS DC HS HS HS HS REPEAT.

Build
http://armory.wow-europe.com/talent-...00000000000000

Char
http://armory.wow-europe.com/charact...&gn=BlackAdder

dunno if i need more hit? but trying to put Strength gems in place where possible to increase AP.

Any help really appreciated.

Character name Imspartacus on Nordrassil EU

Andy, your rotation is off.
As people said prior to my post, you should be doing the following...
Icy Touch, Plague Strike, Heart Strike, Heart Strike, Deathstrike, Dump, Deathstrike, Heart Strike, Heart Strike, Heart Strike, Heart Strike, Dump

As for your gems, Use the Relentless meta, a Nightmare Tear in the piece of gear which has the biggest socket bonus (strength), and ALL BOLD CARDINAL RUBIES for every other slot. Strength is your best stat... stick with it.

In an AoE scenario, swap a Pestilence in for Heartstrike just before your diseases wear off. If there are 5 or more mobs nearby, use Blood Boil instead of Heart Strike.

You can macro Rune Strike with your Death Strike so you never have to worry about using it, becuase the macro will cast it every time you cast Death Strike.

Macro-
/cast Deathstrike
/cast !Rune Strike

Lastly, go to the elitist jerks web site for the most in depth info on you class. They keep it up to date with everything you will want to know. It is a great place for people such as yourself to learn your capabilites and strengths.