Thread: SW:P & Haste

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  1. #21

    Re: SW:P & Haste

    Quote Originally Posted by Kadaq
    casting VT on multiple dummies is win.
    Or maybe they're just a good priest? I know the highest i've gotten on Live is just over 4.1K, and I know for a fact that Worsh is better then me. I like to research my class, but Worsh does it on a frighteningly detailed level lol.

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  2. #22

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    With all the training dummy DPS..it makes me wonder, maybe other classes just pull ahead with raid buffs where shadow priests don't scale so well?..Now I haven't played shadow since Naxx, and I was usually top 3 damage for any boss, but I have yet to see any shadow priests beat certain classes like rogues or mages. I've seen some ingenius shadow priests multi DoT snobolds and scarabs and get really nice damage on gimick fights, but none have beat the pure dps classes on a single target boss yet to my knowledge.

  3. #23

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarkli
    I dont know about SPriests being at the bottom.. my priest is fully epiced out but is far from best gear and i throw out 5100dps in 10mans, but a friend of mine on my realm just hit 8100dps on the last boss of VoA... that too weak?? Im sorry but you guys all need to learn how to play a spriest. <<<<zomg troll>>>> but seriously..
    I don't mean to say, "ZOMG!1! You're wrong!"

    but the last boss of VoA, assuming you are talking about Koralon, is like fighting a raid debuffed target dummy while you are raid buffed. Of course you can do better DPS when there are no other mechanics to the fight to concentrate on.

  4. #24

    Re: SW:P & Haste

    Quote Originally Posted by Worshaka
    I've yet to see a log of 8K dps for a spriest... I have seen 7K however... so i'm highly skeptical of 8100. You can view combat logs at www.worldoflogs.com so when I say i've yet to seen a log I have looked through many many logs as part of my research.

    I somehow knew direshadow was going to attempt to find something wrong with my post... keep trying, but I assure you everything is above board. It's a heroic dummy (like you obviously found out) it had no debuffs, I was self buffed only, I didn't use any consumables, just the racials of a troll and my own priest buffs.
    The guild hes in keeps logs. But he was pugging the VoA group.. ima see if he has a screeney or some other means of 'proof'. But according to Recount its what he hit on Archavon. But anyways i was just looking through VoA runs and saw a priest w/ 8700dps on Emalon.. no adds on that fight so, look harder no?

  5. #25

    Re: SW:P & Haste

    Quote Originally Posted by Aeön
    I don't mean to say, "ZOMG!1! You're wrong!"

    but the last boss of VoA, assuming you are talking about Koralon, is like fighting a raid debuffed target dummy while you are raid buffed. Of course you can do better DPS when there are no other mechanics to the fight to concentrate on.
    And no.. as you see above Archavon. Every run ive done the group kills in order from newest to oldest boss.. so Arch is last.

  6. #26

    Re: SW:P & Haste

    Quote Originally Posted by Sarkli
    And no.. as you see above Archavon. Every run ive done the group kills in order from newest to oldest boss.. so Arch is last.
    I don't really see the difference from a DPS perspective. DPS, occasionally move out of the fire, rock/whatevers.

    But that's just me.

  7. #27

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    But anyways i was just looking through VoA runs and saw a priest w/ 8700dps on Emalon.. no adds on that fight so, look harder no?
    Um? No add on Emalon? What?

    By the way, would you mind giving us the name of your friend? Since I haven't seen any SP in top guilds on Arygos got more than 6k5 dps on Koralon, highly doubt someone can magically get +1k6 dps in 2 fights with nearly the same mechanic.

  8. #28

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    4.7k is definitely obtainable as a shadowpriest on an unbuffed heroic dummy on live, and you're all either bad or in awful gear. I, myself, was ending 5 minute test fights at almost that and my gear isn't yet ideal.

  9. #29

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    Just to reinforce the point im trying to make... the major problem (not to say the only problem) is with players and not purely spriest mechanics. Just to illustrate I had someone on my server ask for some help with their DPS and when I got a target dummy parse they were casting MB every 10sec, dots 80% and MF ticks every 2.2 sec...

    You only need to read some of the posts some people make on these forums to get a clear understanding of how poor some people are at playing a spriest. I guarantee all of them that post on here asking why there DPS is crap dont even know what their average cast times are or have even bothered to try to work on them. You have people advocating that SW:P should be cast first or cast twice early, you have people so worried about gear and forgetting about the simple things as casting your spells correctly... all of these issues are the main reason why spriest DPS looks a lot worse than it really is.

    Compare that to a ret pally, u have the same bad players but its extremely difficult to stuff up their DPS. If you use the wrong priority you get a similar number to the correct priority. You can seriously use a cast random macro as a ret pally and do competitive dps. Thats not the case for spriests, we take a lot more ability and skill to play effectively, that gap between bad and decent is quite large, perhaps the largest out of any class in the game.

  10. #30

    Re: SW:P & Haste

    Quote Originally Posted by Sarkli
    The guild hes in keeps logs. But he was pugging the VoA group.. ima see if he has a screeney or some other means of 'proof'. But according to Recount its what he hit on Archavon. But anyways i was just looking through VoA runs and saw a priest w/ 8700dps on Emalon.. no adds on that fight so, look harder no?
    No adds on Emalon, you are joking aren't you? There are logs of unholy DKs doing 15K dps on Emalon, care to wager why?

  11. #31

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    One last thing, i've yet to even see a spreadsheet or a dps tool like rawr predict 8K let alone see someone achieve it. The log of 7K I saw was for beasts of northrend and there is some multi dotting opportunties in that encounter that help inflate the number a little.

    I've hit 6.5K at best and I know with my aussie ping and some FPS issues I have that i'm probably missing out on 500dps... I have no doubt that 7K is achievable with good gear, good ping and ability. Im just skeptical about 8K, very skeptical... on archavon in particular because he stomps the raid which causes a loss of DPS for 5 or so seconds... i'd be far more likely to believe you if it were Koralon where with some RNG luck you don't have to move and can max DPS burn without being interrupted.

  12. #32

    Re: SW:P & Haste

    Quote Originally Posted by Worshaka
    One last thing, i've yet to even see a spreadsheet or a dps tool like rawr predict 8K let alone see someone achieve it. The log of 7K I saw was for beasts of northrend and there is some multi dotting opportunties in that encounter that help inflate the number a little.
    I seem to recall a screenshot (though you shouldn't take my word for it) of a Shadow Priest doing about 11K dps, this being on Yogg +0 25-man. Which is, I'm guessing, the only encounter currently in game where we can have any sort of sustainable dps like that. That being said, more than 8K on a single-target encounter is most likely someone who... well, doesn't really know how damage meters function or spends his/her time 'hacking' them.

  13. #33

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    shh and reroll/respec
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  14. #34

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    I hover between 6 and 6.5k on Koralon. 8k sustained is not obtainable by a shadowpriest in current content without fight-specific dps gimmicks.

  15. #35

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    Quote Originally Posted by Annesh
    I hover between 6 and 6.5k on Koralon. 8k sustained is not obtainable by a shadowpriest in current content without fight-specific dps gimmicks.
    I agree with you but I believe 7K is possible given good gear, ping and skill.

  16. #36

    Re: SW:P & Haste

    Quote Originally Posted by Worshaka
    No adds on Emalon, you are joking aren't you? There are logs of unholy DKs doing 15K dps on Emalon, care to wager why?
    Because wandering plague is balanced.

  17. #37

    Re: SW:P & Haste

    That's another problem shadow priests have, is ping. As much as I hate to say it, a nuke would help things.

    Still would rather they just find a way to keep us the same though.

    Quartz can only do so much.

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  18. #38

    Re: SW:P & Haste

    Quote Originally Posted by Kadaq
    http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/138...wnagedummy.jpg

    needless to say 5k+ on a dummy is win alone.
    i strongly suggest deleting your character.

  19. #39

    Re: SW:P & Haste

    Quote Originally Posted by Worshaka
    I agree with you but I believe 7K is possible given good gear, ping and skill.
    7k would be extremely impressive and would probably require full BiS, including double Death's Verdict.

    Anyway, getting back on topic, I don't think the SWP nerf is that big a deal. With haste locking we were going to be very close to top DPS. Without it, but with the other buffs, I foresee we'll be exactly where we should be: lower than the pures, but very strong for hybrids.

    Considering our lackluster raid utility, I always felt we should be king of the hybrids. Now we can be. I'm very excited.

    Except for ferals. Those guys need some nerfs.

  20. #40

    Re: SW:P & Haste

    Quote Originally Posted by Annesh
    7k would be extremely impressive and would probably require full BiS, including double Death's Verdict.
    It's only impressive if you're a priest. Any other class in 245 gear should get there easy. I've seen many pures do 7.5-8k on Koralon in 245 gear, I'm sure there's no need to prove that with a screenshot. I'm around 6200dps +-200dps on my priest, my personal record 6.5k dps is still held by my alt rogue with brewfest and naxx weapons.
    There is ablosutely no reward for mastering the harder rotation of spriest, a facerolling rogue in crafted + badge gear is going to beat you (that's what my alt is).



    Anyway, getting back on topic, I don't think the SWP nerf is that big a deal. With haste locking we were going to be very close to top DPS. Without it, but with the other buffs, I foresee we'll be exactly where we should be: lower than the pures, but very strong for hybrids.

    Considering our lackluster raid utility, I always felt we should be king of the hybrids. Now we can be. I'm very excited.
    We were top dps in a simulator, in imaginery T9 gear with T10 bonuses, not on the real PTR.

    If the buffs were originally ~10% the SW:P nerf is going to chop atleast 2-3% off that. SW:P was the best dot to have haste because it didn't need recasting.
    That puts my single target dps around 6.7k, still last of the pack. I was already on the fence before thinking if the buffs will be enough, but with this nerf to SW:P blizzard made to cover an old bug they can't be arsed to fix, it's getting clear that the buffs are not enough. Atleast not before you get the totally OP 4pc T10 set bonus, that is around 6% dps increase on it's own. I've got a feeling it's getting nerfed too.

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