View Poll Results: Deathbringer's Will or not?

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  • Staying with Death's Choice

    44 34.11%
  • Hoping for another trinket

    26 20.16%
  • I'll be wearing Deathbringer's Will

    59 45.74%
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  1. #1

    Deathbringer's Will on Rets

    Rets (and enh shammies and some rogues), will you be wearing Deathbringer's Will? An insane amount of an almost useless stat for us, with an amazing proc. Or will you stick with Death's Choice, or hope for another trinket from ICC?
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    Re: Deathbringer's Will on Rets

    "Your attacks have a chance to awaken the powers of the races of Northrend, temporarily transforming you and increasing your combat capabilities for 30 sec."

    I never looked in to it but, may I ask what this actually does?

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    Re: Deathbringer's Will on Rets

    This will probably be a trinket for Rogues or so... I dont see it in Retribution Paladins.

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    Re: Deathbringer's Will on Rets

    reminds me of the Kara books
    "The world needs anger. The world often continues to allow evil to exist because it isn't angry enough."
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    Re: Deathbringer's Will on Rets

    Quote Originally Posted by Proberly
    "Your attacks have a chance to awaken the powers of the races of Northrend, temporarily transforming you and increasing your combat capabilities for 30 sec."

    I never looked in to it but, may I ask what this actually does?

    i heard it will be 600 str\agi

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    Re: Deathbringer's Will on Rets


    +600 to your primary stat
    # Strength of the Frost Giants – Grants the form and strength of the Frost Giants for 30 sec.
    http://db.mmo-champion.com/s/71485/agil ... he-wolvar/ – Grants the form and agility of the Wolvar for 30 sec.
    # Power of the Taunka – Grants the form and attack power of the Taunka for 30 sec.
    # Precision of the Iron Dwarves – Grants the form and precision of the Iron Dwarves for 30 sec.
    # Aim of the Tuskarr – Grants the form and aim of the Tuskarr for 30 sec.
    # Speed of the Gorloc – Grants the form and speed of the Gorloc for 30 sec.
    http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Aman%27Thul&n=Vuldin


    Quote Originally Posted by laur0511
    cummunism is an utopia that cannot be applied to real life. fortunately, video games aren't real life; therefore it can be applied there, making things more fair.

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    Re: Deathbringer's Will on Rets

    Quote Originally Posted by dogpie
    +600 to your primary stat
    that would give about 1350ap with kings and divine strength and its for 30 sec long..

    DAMN!

    now i want to know the (internal) cd

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    Re: Deathbringer's Will on Rets

    Arp isn't completely useless. It won't increase your DPS as much as STR/AP or crit, but it will increase DPS. The proc definately is worth it. When I do get deaths choice, Ill be using it and this trinket.

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    Re: Deathbringer's Will on Rets

    Quote Originally Posted by iktankniet
    that would give about 1350ap with kings and divine strength and its for 30 sec long..

    DAMN!

    now i want to know the (internal) cd
    Just going to assume it's the same as Death's Choice, Darkmoon card: greatness, or at least very similar. I think I WOULD end up wearing this trinket, if there were no other good trinket from ICC.

    Quote Originally Posted by meag333
    Arp isn't completely useless. It won't increase your DPS as much as STR/AP or crit, but it will increase DPS. The proc definately is worth it. When I do get deaths choice, Ill be using it and this trinket.
    It affects I think Crusader strike and Divine Storm? Not sure. But I know that yes, it is not completely useless, but it is almost completely useless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by laur0511
    cummunism is an utopia that cannot be applied to real life. fortunately, video games aren't real life; therefore it can be applied there, making things more fair.

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    Re: Deathbringer's Will on Rets

    Quote Originally Posted by dogpie
    Just going to assume it's the same as Death's Choice, Darkmoon card: greatness, or at least very similar. I think I WOULD end up wearing this trinket, if there were no other good trinket from ICC.

    It affects I think Crusader strike and Divine Storm? Not sure. But I know that yes, it is not completely useless, but it is almost completely useless.
    It affects, CS(one of our instants that is on the shortest CD.) DS(getting a 4 set will allow you to refresh its CD INC) and our white hits, which coupled with our seals, is the back bone of our damage, hence why hit and exp is so important. So no, its not anywhere near completely useless. Just because there are more attractive stats, doesn't make others completely useless. Arp is better than alot of people are giving it. No I wouldn't gear for it, but if it comes from gear. Which this would be the case, It still helps dps.....

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    Re: Deathbringer's Will on Rets

    Quote Originally Posted by meag333
    Just because there are more attractive stats, doesn't make others completely useless. Arp is better than alot of people are giving it. No I wouldn't gear for it, but if it comes from gear. Which this would be the case, It still helps dps.....
    Actually ArPen the worst stat for a ret so the trinket's value mainly depends on the proc.

    It'll probably be something like Death's Verdict is for Enhancement Shamans - best in slot, but such a small upgrade over the last tier trinket, that I'd rather let the warriors/dks/kitties have it first.
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    Re: Deathbringer's Will on Rets

    It is assumed that ArP will surpass haste come patch 3.3 because of the 2pc T10 bonus. Theorycrafting leads us to believe that with a 40% chance to reset the CD on DS, we will be using that attack every 4-5 seconds. Because CS and DS are both physical attacks that are affected by ArP, we should see the value of ArP increase for Rets. 155 or 167 ArP should be very desirable with these changes. The proc will makes this trinket close to godly for Rets.

    Essentially, the ret "rotation" will be even more simplified: DS, Judgment, CS, repeat. On the off-chance that DS doesn't get refreshed, you'll probably be unloading an Exorcism given that many of the ICC mobs/bosses are undead.

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    Re: Deathbringer's Will on Rets

    Quote Originally Posted by meag333
    It affects, CS(one of our instants that is on the shortest CD.) DS(getting a 4 set will allow you to refresh its CD INC) and our white hits, which coupled with our seals, is the back bone of our damage, hence why hit and exp is so important. So no, its not anywhere near completely useless. Just because there are more attractive stats, doesn't make others completely useless. Arp is better than alot of people are giving it. No I wouldn't gear for it, but if it comes from gear. Which this would be the case, It still helps dps.....
    for the moment ds reset is the 2piece t10, but it wont stay that way with a lot of pvper saying : im gonna use it!
    Hotfix the 1st week if it get live this way

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    Re: Deathbringer's Will on Rets

    Quote Originally Posted by Nillo
    Actually ArPen the worst stat for a ret so the trinket's value mainly depends on the proc.
    This is true right now. Come 3.3, you should expect to see this change.

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    Re: Deathbringer's Will on Rets

    Quote Originally Posted by Nienniora
    for the moment ds reset is the 2piece t10, but it wont stay that way with a lot of pvper saying : im gonna use it!
    Hotfix the 1st week if it get live this way
    they would have to give up resil for the t10 gear. so i dont know if its going to be nerfed that hard.

    Quote Originally Posted by Prentice
    This is true right now. Come 3.3, you should expect to see this change.
    it will be higher then haste with t10 2p, thats for sure

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    Re: Deathbringer's Will on Rets

    Quote Originally Posted by iktankniet
    they would have to give up resil for the t10 gear. so i dont know if its going to be nerfed that hard.
    it will be higher then haste with t10 2p, thats for sure
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    Re: Deathbringer's Will on Rets

    Quote Originally Posted by Prentice
    Morning, Ik.
    morning? im just close to being done with work today ;D

    good evenin' to ya

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    Re: Deathbringer's Will on Rets

    Quote Originally Posted by iktankniet
    morning? im just close to being done with work today ;D

    good evenin' to ya
    9:32AM. Workday has just begun. It's gonna be a long one.

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    Re: Deathbringer's Will on Rets

    Even with ArP not being an optimal stat for a Ret, 600 str proc is too good to pass up, assuming it has a decent internal cooldown anyways. I would totally use this and verdict.

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    Re: Deathbringer's Will on Rets

    Quote Originally Posted by Nillo
    Actually ArPen the worst stat for a ret so the trinket's value mainly depends on the proc.

    It'll probably be something like Death's Verdict is for Enhancement Shamans - best in slot, but such a small upgrade over the last tier trinket, that I'd rather let the warriors/dks/kitties have it first.
    As everyone already said, and even corrected me, The DS 2set will change this. I only thought it was the 4set because I remember them changing it for a small amount of time. And as I said in the beginning. Just because ARP is the worst does not mean it isn't good. Will I be stacking ARP?? No. Will the fact that there is armorpen on this trinket not make it better than DM:G or DV? I mean the trinkets we have had to choose from have already been shitty. So DV(heroic) will probably stay BIS, with Deathbringer's will be second. I mean 600str for 30 seconds. Unless the internal CD is completly retarded. Theres no way this wouldn't be ahead of DM:G

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