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    Holy - Sick of Blizzard Nerfing Us Via Stats

    I was going to write out a whole wall of text thing here about Blizzard using our gear to nerf us, but instead I'm just going let the example do all the talking.

    http://db.mmo-champion.com/items/4/?...64&itemset=899

    The tier 10 Holy set. And EVERY piece with Crit. Of all the currently discovered spell plate, only ONE doesn't have Crit.

    Hope everyone likes mail. Cause it's shaping up to be the only place we can get SP/Haste/MP5.

    Loot is supposed to be our reward. Not our punishment. Nerfing a class through its gear is ridiculous.
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    Re: Holy - Sick of Blizzard Nerfing Us Via Stats

    Its not about how you play your holy pally, its about how blizzards testers play them, and apparently they play with crit/SP/haste(which is how I play )

    Thus, theres nothing we can do about it unless we somehow get blizzard to fire/hire new testers.
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    Re: Holy - Sick of Blizzard Nerfing Us Via Stats

    Well, if you look at the 3 pieces that have haste on them as well...
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    Re: Holy - Sick of Blizzard Nerfing Us Via Stats

    The set looks pretty solid to me..

    Crit isn't useless, so it comes down to whether you want other stats instead of the set bonuses.

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    Re: Holy - Sick of Blizzard Nerfing Us Via Stats

    Damnit, I was expecting this to be a troll and had a CSB poster all ready to go. What the hell, I'll post it anyhow:



    Quote Originally Posted by Tandraice
    Well, if you look at the 3 pieces that have haste on them as well...
    The Ret tier also has haste and NO ArP.

    I think someone should quickly hire a player that ACTUALLY plays a Paladin to tell Blizzard what to do.
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    Re: Holy - Sick of Blizzard Nerfing Us Via Stats

    Well, if you look at the 3 pieces that have haste on them as well...
    Some days ago when the ICC loot was shown the first time it was like this:

    Paladin-forum: "OMG there arp on EVERYTHING!"
    Warrior-Forums: "OMG theres haste on EVERYTHING"

    So we get 200% loot this time. Awesome =D
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    Re: Holy - Sick of Blizzard Nerfing Us Via Stats

    3 pieces of the set have haste, and all the loot from Icecrown isn't even close to being revealed.

    You're crying over a loot table that is probably, what, 30% complete?

    Step away from the computer, brosef, get some fresh air. It will do you some good, and maybe help you to get a few brain cells for things like logical thought processing.

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    Re: Holy - Sick of Blizzard Nerfing Us Via Stats

    Quote Originally Posted by Astray
    Some days ago when the ICC loot was shown the first time it was like this:

    Paladin-forum: "OMG there arp on EVERYTHING!"
    Warrior-Forums: "OMG theres haste on EVERYTHING"

    So we get 200% loot this time. Awesome =D
    We get the short end of the Melee stick, since 3/6 plate specs lothe and 2/6 find haste as being godly.

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    Re: Holy - Sick of Blizzard Nerfing Us Via Stats

    Why do people still think Blizzard want to give you the stats that you want/consider best on the gear you receive? I honestly don't understand it.

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    Re: Holy - Sick of Blizzard Nerfing Us Via Stats

    Quote Originally Posted by Astray
    Some days ago when the ICC loot was shown the first time it was like this:

    Paladin-forum: "OMG there arp on EVERYTHING!"
    Warrior-Forums: "OMG theres haste on EVERYTHING"
    There's just 1 difference: ArP is actually extremely good for warriors and haste is meh for Rets:
    The "perfect" Ret gear will always have: Str + Crit + Haste or ArPen on it (Haste and ArPen are equally bad)
    The "perfect" Warrior gear will always have Str + ArP + Crit on it.

    Hit and Expertise can usually be ignored, because it only takes 3 items to cap them.


    For Holy the stat, that is can be capped is Haste, so the only stats , that are left will be Crit + MP5 and in the end it comes down to getting the most MP5 and the least crit out of those items, that have no haste on them.


    TL;DR don't call an item bad itemized , just because it has a 2nd rate stat on them, because as long as there are only 2(3rd on has a cap) stats you will always have the 2nd rate stat on your gear.
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    Re: Holy - Sick of Blizzard Nerfing Us Via Stats

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenixdown
    3 pieces of the set have haste, and all the loot from Icecrown isn't even close to being revealed.

    You're crying over a loot table that is probably, what, 30% complete?

    Step away from the computer, brosef, get some fresh air. It will do you some good, and maybe help you to get a few brain cells for things like logical thought processing.
    Pretty sure that all of the tier is there. Let me check. Yup. All there. And all with loads of our very worst optional stat.

    Just like I said already. Good job reading and all though, "brosef".

    The current examples in the loot table is just more examples of what the entirety of the tier set already proves.

    Even if every single piece of remaining undiscovered gear turns out to be well optimized, am I supposed to e happy that Blizzard purposely turned Crit into our worst stat and now is loading it onto our tier?
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    Re: Holy - Sick of Blizzard Nerfing Us Via Stats

    NEWSFLASH: Good healing paladins like CRIT and mp5 notsomuch.

    That's my biggest problem with your QQing. You're complaining about them giving us too much of our BEST STAT?
    Just. Wow.

    Secondly, none of this gear has been finalized and many of the current stats are simple placeholders.
    If you'd bother to read past the first few lines of the posts showing the new gear before exploding into post-happy nerdrage you might have noticed that.

    Crawl back into your hole you terrible.

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    Re: Holy - Sick of Blizzard Nerfing Us Via Stats

    Quote Originally Posted by thundercles
    NEWSFLASH: Good healing paladins like CRIT and mp5 notsomuch.

    That's my biggest problem with your QQing. You're complaining about them giving us too much of our BEST STAT?
    Just. Wow.

    Secondly, none of this gear has been finalized and many of the current stats are simple placeholders.
    If you'd bother to read past the first few lines of the posts showing the new gear before exploding into post-happy nerdrage you might have noticed that.

    Crawl back into your hole you terrible.
    Wow. Really? ROFL. NEWSFLASH: Crit has been our worst stat for months. Welcome to the last patch. Everyone who's been here for almost half a year already says hi.
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    Re: Holy - Sick of Blizzard Nerfing Us Via Stats

    So, what stat would you like in place of the Crit?

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    Re: Holy - Sick of Blizzard Nerfing Us Via Stats

    Quote Originally Posted by Ronark
    We get the short end of the Melee stick, since 3/6 plate specs lothe and 2/6 find haste as being godly.
    Theres someone who really loves haste?

    Ret: no
    Arms: no
    Fury: no
    Blood: no
    Frost: ? critprocc-thing?
    Unholy: ?
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    We've faced the thousand maws of yogg-saron...

    Soon will be encounter the mindconsuming nose of...wait what?

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    Re: Holy - Sick of Blizzard Nerfing Us Via Stats

    ..you realize they're they will be balancing the game and changing the classes a bit for the big stat change.... right?

    I hope you do.

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    Re: Holy - Sick of Blizzard Nerfing Us Via Stats

    Worst stat? Be more extreme you nerd raging ragaholic nerd.

    Crit is still good. Be worse, please.

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    Re: Holy - Sick of Blizzard Nerfing Us Via Stats

    well..but there is no other good stats for us.

    what else can blizzard give? haste instead of crit? holy pally has too much haste already and get soft cap easily.

    more sp? overhealing No. 1 is paladin. FoL spec is not viable for endgame raiding since lvl 70, unfortunately due to the easy mode of FoL, as a healer you don't need to watch your mana. many noobs think it's powerful spec for raiding.

    give int only? it makes gear look stupid anyway.

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    Re: Holy - Sick of Blizzard Nerfing Us Via Stats

    Quote Originally Posted by való
    So, what stat would you like in place of the Crit?
    More Int or SP.

    Just allocate the "gear points" from Crit over to either of these and it is fine.

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    Re: Holy - Sick of Blizzard Nerfing Us Via Stats

    Quote Originally Posted by való
    So, what stat would you like in place of the Crit?
    Haste/MP5

    I'm not saying that every single piece of gear or every single piece of our tier gear should be perfectly itemized. All I'm saying is the fact that NONE of out tier gear has our best itemization on it is ridiculous.
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