Hellfire on Twin Valkyrs

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Hi, was just wondering about a thing I saw my warlock friend do in an alt ToC10 run today.

Basically, when you have the light essence on the fight, you absorb all fire damage. When you absorb the damage, you gain stacks of a debuff called Powering Up. Once you reach 100 stacks, you gain an extra 100% damage done to one target.

Now, the wierd thing was, that the warlock just spammed Hellfire for a minute or two before the fight with the light essence on. The essence absorbed all the hellfire self damage and the stacks of the debuff went up like crazy. He stopped at 99 stacks of the debuff, so as soon as the fight started, he could get the extra 100% damage.

Is this a common trick? Because in the many times I have run ToC in the many modes, it is the first time that I have noticed a warlock do this. Is it considered an exploit or a "creative use of game mechanics"? Either way, it would be a large dps increase for said warlock, especially for starter burst....

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[MushroomBomb]

I've never seen anyone do that. But it sounds more like an exploit than clever use, particularly considering how levitating at Gormok apparently is considered exploiting.

[mafish]

i wouldnt call it a common trick mainly because what raid wants to wait 2 mins to pull

I used it once when i first herd about it and the only real advantage i could find in it was that it made the tanks have to work extra hard but other than that i didnt find that i had enough time to get a second damage buff in the kill (i dont go hunting for orbs i find this to be a DPS loss unless you are lucky). I guess if the group is taking along time/struggling to find the DPS to kill this would be something extra to use but generally it just moves the buff from 60% into the fight to the start of the fight.

Also i would guess that if someone reported a player for doing this it would prolly be considered a exploit its hard to say really as oftern exploit and clever use of mechanics are basiclly the same thing I.E resetting an encounter with demonic teleport isnt a exploit however using levitate on gormok is.

[smartAXE]

I've never seen anyone do that. But it sounds more like an exploit than clever use, particularly considering how levitating at Gormok apparently is considered exploiting.

hellfire is also in your spellbook,
so that just confirms its an exploit

[dotKaine]

Less of an exploit, and more a sign of a slow raid.

You only get a single stack every 2 or so ticks of Hellfire, so unless there's a reason you're waiting around for long enough to build up 99 stacks - then it's a waste of time. Earlier into TOC, you used to be able to get the stacks up much faster with Hellfire, until Blizzard nerfed it to it's current level. It's can hardly be called an exploit if Blizzard intentionally made it this way.

Not to mention with the immense TPS you'd be pulling, you'd run a relatively high risk of pulling aggro off the tank.

[joppas]

It's very common, every raiding warlock i know does this.

[Lausten]

The Warlocks in our guild does it, its a nice dps boost.. And we always got some waiting time because of breaks etc..

[Deleted]

Well if you are on about the time, there is usually plenty of time while people are explaining the fight or getting into position to set off some hellfire.

And if you are worried about threat issues, just stack it up to 60 or something. That way, you get the DPS boost, but at a time when the tank is more likely to have more threat.
Alternatively, some mathy-person could work out how many stacks to need to get to have the 100th stack proc come up at exactly the same timed as the first shield.

From my point of view, it seems like a great dps increase if you know how to control it.

[Mudvein]

im so tired of post with ppl complaining of exploiting. Again its a spell in our spell book. Not to mention its a spell that has never been freakn usefull and wow we find one use for it in one single fight and people need to make a big deal about it. Its clever. if its not then what is clever?

[Guardias]

im so tired of post with ppl complaining of exploiting. Again its a spell in our spell book. Not to mention its a spell that has never been freakn usefull and wow we find one use for it in one single fight and people need to make a big deal about it. Its clever. if its not then what is clever?

Maybe you should be a sime-intelligent ape and actually read his post. He's asking whether it is considered an exploit or just clever usage. Way to make yourself look like both a dumb- and a jerk.

[Mudvein]

Maybe you should be a sime-intelligent ape and actually read his post. He's asking whether it is considered an exploit or just clever usage. Way to make yourself look like both a dumb- and a jerk.

Did i say i was talking about Abb? did i say i was talking about the person who makes the threads? No i did not i said

im so tired of post with ppl complaining of exploiting

im tired of the ppl who come into threads like this and complain liek almost everyone has in this thread so far. so take your own advice and read before you comment and try calling somebody simi intelligent and all that bs

[mafish]

im so tired of post with ppl complaining of exploiting. Again its a spell in our spell book. Not to mention its a spell that has never been freakn usefull and wow we find one use for it in one single fight and people need to make a big deal about it. Its clever. if its not then what is clever?

untill you entered the discussion no one in this thread had complained about anything the OP asked a question and people gave there views on the matter as there is no offical stance on this issue that i have seen at least (there may have been something i missed in which case my mistake if so) hence it is and open to opinion. however unlike the other people in this topic you have felt the need to try and put your point across as rudly as possible.

I personally think it probably is considered a exploit of game mechanics as it is nothing close to how the move was intended to be used the fact that we have zero use for this spell in the way it was intended to be used is irrelevant and not what is being discussed at all. I have no doubt that you will ignore anything anyone really says and go off on another little rude outburst in the hope someone will hear your shouting.

[Sidonis]

It's very doubtful that it was ever intended, and if ICC weren't so on the horizon atm, I'm sure they'd hotfix it so the Dark/Light Essence cannot provide charges outside of combat.

[Merckx]

If you feel the need to ask people whether or not something is an exploit, it usually is. Consider what would happen if you took it to an extreme - 20 warlocks, a pair of tanks and 3 healers. I would not be terribly surprised if a raid like that earned themselves a 3 day suspension and that means that just 1 warlock doing it is technically against the rules.

That said, it is a a relatively common practice and I would not expect to be banned for it if 1 or 2 locks in your raid are doing it. For whatever reason, the stacks seems to collect much faster in the 10 man vs. the 25 man.

[mafish]

For whatever reason, the stacks seems to collect much faster in the 10 man vs. the 25 man.

I would guess its prolly something like damage absorbed=stacks and as the orbs do less damage in 10 man the ammount needed for 1 stack is less.

[burek]

warlocks are a piece of .... in that fight, so you stacking that buff wont change a thing. it is definitely a bug, or 'unintended game mechanic', but it doesnt mean .... not to mention that this fight is being exploited world wide, every guild on my server uses the 'door tactic', they spend more time wiping on beasts than on twins

[Ragnarokex]

wow lol i didnt know sum1 had already posted about this i was bout to make a new one

sumtimes bugs in 10s tho and resets to 0

[Graandor]

my friend does it... its a clever use of game mechanics with hell fire doign fire damage to you the ess absorbs it giving you the buff

[HebrewJackson]

seems like an exploit, i saw a lock in my group do it last night. and still managed to barely pull 6k. doesn't seem like much of an advantage.

[harky]

This is likely not intended and it is a pretty huge buff if the Warlock isn't a moron. 6k DPS is lower than I hit on Valks without ever getting Empowered Light/Dark. I've only done this once and wound up dying near instantly as my tank hadn't built up nearly enough lead to out threat me starting a fight at 15k+ DPS with little warning.