Thread: Feral DPS Help

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    Feral DPS Help

    In my guild there is a DK named xephos(http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...gwynn&n=Xephos) and no matter what I do i cannot beat him on the meters. He's usually sitting at around 7.2k on 25 jarraxus and im usualy close behind and 6.9-7.1 but i can never get above him. My rotation is FFF,Mangle,rake,SR,shred,TF,shred to 5cp, rip,then just keep everythin up with a prioraty of SR>Mangle>Rip>rake and i always usually use beserk at the begining of a fight so i can get another use out of it. heres a link to my armory- http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...wynn&n=Tehtree ...idk what to do ive tried everything i can think of plz help! o...and i use hearty rhino and arm pen elixir

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    Re: Feral DPS Help

    Band of Draconic Guile is bad, Ice Striker's Cloak is bad, Mirror of Truth is bad, Death-warmed Belt is mediocre, boots not enchanted. You've got neither ArPen trinket, nor much ArPen gear - ArPen gemming is not the way to go for you right now IMO, stick to agility until you get some upgrades

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    Re: Feral DPS Help

    You didn't even bloody bother to read the Cat guide in this forum, did you?
    Or the guides posted on TankSpot, StratFU or EJ?

    If you don't bother trying to find information on your own, you will continue to be a LOSER all your life.
    It's not your gear. It's not the person you're trying to beat, whom you most likely shouldn't even be worrying about if you want your guild and raid to succeed in hard mode/heroic content.

    It's you. You suck. You need to learn to play better, but you're coming here crying for help instead of going out to find the information you need to succeed.


    Skills and addons you need:
    http://www.viddler.com/explore/parl2001/videos/2/
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nuc5MhpekM
    http://www.warcraftmovies.com/movieview.php?id=130705

    How to choose gearsets (**** gearing only for ArPen, there are no shortcuts!):
    http://rawr.codeplex.com/

    Read and Learn:
    http://elitistjerks.com/f73/
    esp. the Dummies' thread (disregarding the ArPen numbers) & the WWS thread

    Blogs with good information:
    http://www.mmo-champion.com/class-druid/druid-blogroll/


    THERE ARE NO SHORTCUTS. Not for feral dps players anyway. You read, you learn, you research, you play around with the Optimizer in Rawr, you use each addon once or twice and configure and re-configure and constantly improve. It never ends. You can't stop trying for excellence or you'll just settle for mediocrity.

    "Practice. I've spent upward of 50 hours on a target dummy in Stormwind since the launch of WotLK practicing feral dps. The result is that I perform VERY well for the gear that I have. Being good at feral dps means thinking about your buffs/debuffs 10-15 seconds in advance." - Gwindor

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    Re: Feral DPS Help

    Use SR before rake in your opener.
    http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Scilla&n=Wenger

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    Re: Feral DPS Help

    wow...well i have rawr use it regularly, read all forums and stickies(wowhead,mmo-champ,EJ, and ensidia tunn's guide) i also dont know where u get off saying i suck...what im mainly trying to ask is a DK in BiS going to do better DPS than a Feral Druid in BIS(considering equal skill) I just tried getting onto Rawr to test it but i keep getting some error and it will not open.

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    Re: Feral DPS Help

    Quote Originally Posted by Tehtree
    In my guild there is a DK named xephos(http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...gwynn&n=Xephos) and no matter what I do i cannot beat him on the meters. He's usually sitting at around 7.2k on 25 jarraxus and im usualy close behind and 6.9-7.1 but i can never get above him. My rotation is FFF,Mangle,rake,SR,shred,TF,shred to 5cp, rip,then just keep everythin up with a prioraty of SR>Mangle>Rip>rake and i always usually use beserk at the begining of a fight so i can get another use out of it. heres a link to my armory- http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...wynn&n=Tehtree ...idk what to do ive tried everything i can think of plz help! o...and i use hearty rhino and arm pen elixir
    If you've read everything, supposedly, and you're still asking these questions with the gear you've got....you're a tool plain and simple dude.

    11.53% hit UNBUFFED.....?
    17 Expertise......?
    Gemming for ArPen WITHOUT one of the trinkets OR the soft-cap.......?!?
    Sub-par enchant on cloak and chest....?
    NO enchant on boots.....?

    There is no way you've read what you say you have, or run any of the mods you would know you need to be running had you read what you say you have.


    I am Druid - Play Free Online Games

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    Re: Feral DPS Help

    Expertise is not something Rawr will tell you to prioritize.
    Any Hit over the boss hit cap is a waste
    Enchants - ditto
    Rotation - WRONG - go back and re-read the EJ guide or just check this out:

    There is no rotation.

    There is however a priority algorithm. The first lines are always more important, i.e. Mangle is more important than SR which is more important than Rake which is more important than Shred.

    1. If you have 3 or more targets in range in front of you and it doesn't matter which dies first, use Mangle to keep up SR and use Swipe (Cat) whether it's talented or not. If you have two targets and it doesn't matter which will die first, pick the one that will last the longest and proceed with single-
    2. Keep up FFF unless you have a boomkin who puts up IFF in the first second or two - and keeps it up.

    3. Keep Mangle up
    [many 25man raids will have a Trauma-specced Warrior who does this automatically, or a Bear tank]

    4. Keep SR up - you want 100% uptime
    [Though in reality it will drop during Innervates/Battlerez/phase-changes/run-in-run-out mechanics etc]

    5. Keep Rake up
    [Rake may currently be bugged, don't clip it, the bleed may not refresh or even register at all]
    [thanks Thundrul]

    6. Shred
    [a Rip-extending Shred may be higher DPE than Rake]

    7. get 5 CP then Rip - unless Rip is already up, in which case pool energy and wait

    8. if < 30 Energy then Tiger's Fury

    9. if Clearcasting procs then Shred unless Mangle or SR is about to run out

    10. if you have 5CP and there's 8 seconds or more left on *BOTH* SR and Rip, then and only then Ferocious Bite
    [probably 9 or more - what you really want is an easy 5 CP after, e.g. TF coming off cooldown et al]
    [thanks Rolfcaron]

    11. anticipate if SR and Rip will run out concurrently, and clip SR to desynchronize the timers with a low-Combo Point SR immediately.
    [Clip SR, but don't clip Rip unless you're about to lose melee contact with the boss for an extended period of time, e.g. Onyxia flight phase, taking portal out of Yogg's brain room]

    12. Berserk as early and as often as possible unless:
    a. save it to take advantage of a boss mechanic
    b. try to stack with cooldowns like Hysteria or Shattering Throw
    c. try not to Berserk within 6s after Tiger's Fury except for the first one, nor at low Energy and not at above 85 Energy

    [Do everything right, decent to good gear, static fight like GV - according to some calculations in SimulationCraft you could end up with 40% downtime, i.e. just pooling energy]

    If Rawr is giving you trouble, then solve those troubles. If you're on a Mac you will have to get Mono or ask Astrylian for an invite to the closed beta of Rawr3.

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    Re: Feral DPS Help

    dks have a slight advantage on jaraxxus with their ability to hit more than 1 target (mistresses + portal, jaraxxus + mistresses, infernals). If you're still losing on beasts then you have a problem.

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    Re: Feral DPS Help

    expertise r not priority but u should be capped no matter what, ppl that say exp r not important to us DO NOT LISTEN TO THEM, exp are pretty much the same mechanic as Hit just abit lower, so if your attac gets dodged u lose dmg, not to mention a potential OOC proc.

    i only lose to DK on Anub. and arcane mage on jaraxxus that constantly spellstealing DMG amp buff, but even then i come very very close to them. like 0.2% behind or so

    dont bother with ARP gems if u dont have MRS or GT, not even for softcap.
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