Bring back 40 man raids!

[Shadowtrix]

Never had a chance to raid in vanilla and only slighty in BC but the sound of a 40 man raid is awesome. That is assuming its done right.

If one was included in 3.3 (which it wont be so dont flame this is hypothetical):

I reckon they should be set up as "elite progression guild only type raids" meaning they should be "unpuggable". By unpuggable i'm talking significantly higher difficulty then LK Heroic 25 and that to advertise in trade for it would basically mean that the group would be fail.
Such an undertaking would only be considered by guilds with a heroic LK "B team" that could consistently clear.
In terms of loot i dont reckon it needs to be that much better than say LK Heroic maybe a minor stat upgrade but basically the same thing.
I agree that the loot wouldnt fit the difficulty but thats the point your not doing it for loot your doing it so you can have an achievement that says "look at me i'm so uber, i put the time and effort of getting me and 39 friends Heroic LK gear then learnt each others play styles to perfection and spent weeks wiping on this 40 man raid to perfect a strategy and finally killed it".
This way it won't take away from people raiding the heroic 25 for gear but will still appeal to those wanting to class themselves as "elite".
Casuals lose nothing as the gear isnt all that much better and those that qq that LK Heroic 25 is too easy will always have something to strive for.
Any thoughts, comments, reasons why this would not work?

[Coolmatt701]

I too never raided in vanilla, and only slightly in BC, (through SSC)
but tbh i never really wanted to do a 40 man raid (except hogger)
wayyy too many dips standing in fires, afking, 25 mans are definitely the limit my sanity will allow

[Iseldir]

Try getting 40 people together.

[Croc_Huntard]

yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa NO

[veemon_ro]

Meh yes and no.

Yes - It actually feels epic, you get to play with so many people and simply seeing so many fireballs and shadowbolts flying is an experience that is unique.
- Gear is harder to get. I really hate in wotlk that in 2 months I have all gear and then the next 4 months I just wait for the patch or have to level alts
- Guild chats are lively. Every single guild would have 90+ players in meaning you can allways chat and discuss with people

Cons

- Every single guild will disband or merge with another in order to form 40 mans
- There is of course the bullshit argument that you will have 10 people who can slack. Well you can have 8 people that can slack in 25 mans as well
- Not every one will be able to speak on ventrilo (imagine 40 people chating at once)
- Alot harder to explain tactics
- You won't have complicated encounters like kaelthas or ladyvashj or ilidan (imagine ilidan with 40 people)

P.S geting 40 people together is not going to be hard. The fact that raids will be designed with the ideea of 40 people in mind all the guilds pugs and raids will also be designed with that asspect. Instead of having guilds of 50-60 people you will have them of 100-110. So I really don't see that geting people is a problem

[Shadowtrix]

Try getting 40 people together.

Thats kinda the idea, all those that are qq'ing that Heroic LK is going to be too easy can be directed to the 40 man raid before they come here and post like crazy for harder content lets see if they can find 39 people that agree with them and want to commit to organizing an attempt at something harder.

[Mithip]

Yes I want! So I can AFK half the raid while the 25 people that actually do something carry me!


And my troll part: 300 posts!

[Fenixdown]

Never had a chance to raid in vanilla and only slighty in BC but the sound of a 40 man raid is awesome. That is assuming its done right.

I did. If you want to know what one is like, here is what you do.

1. Start a 25-man raid.
2. Invite 15 extra people to sit in Dalaran afk or spamming general chat or whatever.
3. Congratulations, that's what 40-mans were like.

One of the many reasons raids got trimmed to 25-mans. It was already 25-mans, you just had 15 extra pieces of dead weight.

[yaij9841]

hey it worked before didnt it?

yeah... it was working so good they got rid of it and made 25 the most you could fit in a raid. :

the complexity of the raids in vanilla wow were far from difficult.

[Paulosio]

No lets not. It was crap and just over complicates getting a raid together.

Where are all the guilds going to find another 15 good raiders to fill these raids ? Also are they going to make the encounters so crap that you can afford to carry 15 crap players or are you actually going to need to find another 15 good players to be successful ? It's hard enough to get a full raid of 25 good players so 40 would be almost impossible. Perhaps some would prefer it that way so they can be crap at the game and get carried through by other better players without anyone noticing.

Despite what all the rose tinted spectacle brigade would have you believe, raiding was very basic in classic for the most part with the exception the last couple of AQ40 bosses and naxx (which was crap too because it had encounters like 4 horsemen where you had to "steal" full geared naxx tanks from other guilds to have a chance to defeat them).

Finally my PC sucks... it's bad enough with 25 players.

[Garrazo]

Back in vanilla 40 mans were a pain in the As$ cause you needed a solid core of 40 or it would be failsauce, now its hard to get 25-26 good players.

[yaij9841]

Despite what all the rose tinted spectacle brigade would have you believe, raiding was very basic in classic for the most part with the exception the last couple of AQ40 bosses and naxx (which was crap too because it had encounters like 4 horsemen where you had to "steal" full geared naxx tanks from other guilds to have a chance to defeat them).

lol yeah four horsemen was the only encounter in the game where you NEEDED EIGHT tanks.

[Rifter]

No.

40 man dungeons sucked.

Tradition is the enemy of progress.

Life goes on.

Stop making these threads.

[Daedius]

40m Raids were retarded...

[RollTide]

Blue quote on last page got me thinking. Cata has a new Blackrock raid. Would be a great place to bring back a 40 man.

[Lady Mormont]

i like lots of lag

[Freedom]

I did. If you want to know what one is like, here is what you do.

1. Start a 25-man raid.
2. Invite 15 extra people to sit in Dalaran afk or spamming general chat or whatever.
3. Congratulations, that's what 40-mans were like.

One of the many reasons raids got trimmed to 25-mans. It was already 25-mans, you just had 15 extra pieces of dead weight.

You forgot the part where most of the 15 were IRL friends/ alts of someone who whored DKP and sucked at their new class and got a lot of loot over non-deadweights.

[playersup]

i like lots of lag

Strange thing is, that playing a 40 man raid in Vanilla with 512 meg ram, 700 mhz PC and 32 meg graphics card used to run it smooth as silk and totally lag free.

I cant remember a single episode of lag in Vanilla.

[sicness]

I did. If you want to know what one is like, here is what you do.

1. Start a 25-man raid.
2. Invite 15 extra people to sit in Dalaran afk or spamming general chat or whatever.
3. Congratulations, that's what 40-mans were like.

One of the many reasons raids got trimmed to 25-mans. It was already 25-mans, you just had 15 extra pieces of dead weight.

^This is what they were exactly. Most 40 mans relied upon only half the raid having any clue of what to do while the other half just watched.