Druids Need an Instant burst

[Aluana]

starfall
tree's
the pushback wave thing
roots then whatever

or if its a rogue, thorns ^^

starfall as i stated before is practically useless for single target damage, trees have all of 1k health and there's only 3 of them GG 1shot each, Typhoon costs a lot and does little, roots last a while but break on 1-2 wraths or 1 starfire, and doesnt stop people healing/trinketing/CoS/bubble/generally avoiding damage, cyclone is the most useful spell a balance druid has, but no damage is dealt on a cycloned target at all... thorns is alright, until it's dispelled off you... and as a balance druid chances are you wont be living long enough to kill a rogue with thorns anyway because balance has a severe lack of surival talents as compared to feral and resto...

[anyaka21]

I'd suggest a glyph that ups the damage of the initial moonfire but lessens the dot tick. Basically just the opposite of the pve glyph.

something like, 'increases the initial damage of your moonfire by 75% but lessening the damage from the Dot by 90%

[Cpttrips]

i realize the blue post is going to start alot of moonkins down the QQ road for more burst, but there is a reason for that :P we need it.

to the non-druids posting here your in the wrong section of the forums go back to your designated dk or pally area ;D

[Calamorn]

Winding up a starfire on a cycloned target does quite a bit of damage, but GC's quote is right, a balance druid left alone can do some very heavy dps. PvP has never been balanced around 1v1, always around arenas, and now not so much even around 2v2.

I'd say their main problem in 3's that makes them unattractive is their lack of utility. Yes, cyclone is a very viable thing, but, its brought by druids with more utility. Ferals have more stuns, interrupts, and on demand damage from finishers. Resto's have potent heals, yes yes... boomkins can heal. Not very well mind you, but they can heal. It's like asking an elemental shaman you need heals.

A deep talent ranged interrupt on a 15 second cooldown or making Solar and Lunar eclipses cooldowns that you actually use to provide on demand damage (granted this may be very... awkward to balance for pve and would still leave boomkins without utility besides damage).

As for the complaint about some balance abilitys, let me show you the up sides:
Trees- little health but getting the 90% reduced AoE buff soon, will cost 3gcds to kill
Typhoon- used when people are still far away it works better than trying to get melee on you already off.
Roots- sure you only get a few spells off, but, anyspells you can just sit and cast while the melee has to eat is something good. Making them blow a CD to get out, even better.


I'm not trying to sit and say moonkin pvp is ok, its not, but, more damage isn't the answer. Lets not go back to 3.0.

[Xelf]

DRUID'S CAN'T BE GOOD AT EVERYTHING

fuck sake their's enough things your already overpowered at, just take this as a loss and go respec, most other people need to.

I actually agree

[annomander999]

OP missed out the fact that druids can self heal, some other classes with bursty abilities can't.

You can zerg in moonkin form, heal if you are dying, dispell, decurse etc, cat form disappear etc. Maybe you are just being lazy if you're not doing good in arenas?

You can't have your cake AND eat it.

[Eletharin]

OP missed out the fact that druids can self heal, some other classes with bursty abilities can't.

You can zerg in moonkin form, heal if you are dying, dispell, decurse etc, cat form disappear etc. Maybe you are just being lazy if you're not doing good in arenas?

You can't have your cake AND eat it.

Unless you're a Paladin .. then its OK

[Vordie]

Ever in that situation when youre trying to finish something off as a balance druid and it keeps running or you dont have the time to cast youre wrath? I think druids need some sort of instant with just initial damage, Maybe like a sepll that consumes a moonfire or Insect swarm and does like half the damage instant. Maybe with like a 8 second cd, I think that would help balance druids in pvp.

Any other suggestions?

Yes, and then make a glyph that makes it not consume Moonfire or Insect Swarn and let's go overrule all the warlocks with Coflagrate.

[Hunterwep]

Try to PvP as shadow priest...

Cast fear: Immume, Trinket, Resist
Hide in dispersion for 6sec
Stare at spirit resser

[Dargin]

.5 sec cast execute spell? sounds like it would fit the bill alright.

[FamilyGoat]

Moonfire spam doesent cut it, to do 3k you need to use moonfire around 4 times... and that actually takes a while, and is a large waste of mana

So...you want an instant burst that does 12k but consumes your dot in PvP...how many other classes have a instant attack that does 12k in pvp (with resil) outside of warlocks?

[Xenryusho]

So...you want an instant burst that does 12k but consumes your dot in PvP...how many other classes have a instant attack that does 12k in pvp (with resil) outside of warlocks?

Reading comprehension.. To do 3k, you need to cast 4 times. 3000/4 = 750.

So they want to do 3k, in one global cooldown. Rather then in 4.

[FamilyGoat]

Reading comprehension.. To do 3k, you need to cast 4 times. 3000/4 = 750.

So they want to do 3k, in one global cooldown. Rather then in 4.

Bah, doing a double at work, sry :S

[Niter]

I think people should stop with the you are a hybrid, you can heal and all that, you do not need to be so good at everything and not every spec is viable for X-thing, re-roll!.

Moonkins need an instant cast spell that does damage. Starfire is great but it is way too long a cast when there is pressure on you. It does not matter if it is a BG or Arena, if one can prevent you from casting Starfire, you are done for. Wrath is not enough damage nowadays and DoTs are not reliable on their own. Moonkins are not Affliction Locks.

Having said that, I do not think Moonkins need a Conflagrate-like spell. Just something between Wrath and Starfire damage-wise would be great. Or a new mechanic to accelerate Moonkin's DoTs would be lovely. Maybe a new move to have the DoTs tick 3x faster on a 1 or 2-minute cooldown.

Other than that, I feel that the you can heal talk is a little bit over-rated. Resto Druids are a pain because of their HoTs, but every single good PvPer know that if they have no HoTs up prior to being focused, they will die. Burst healing is not a Resto Druid's forte, how come a Moonkin should rely on it? And remember: Moonkins and Ferals are as good as dead if they are caught in caster form.

Ferals have a so-so Healing Touch and Cyclone that can be instant cast. Moonkins have nothing like that so they must rely on their damage.

All specs must be good. Instead of telling people to suck it up and re-roll, people should try to come up with new ideas to make other specs good for both PvE and PvP.

[JimPanse]

DRUID'S CAN'T BE GOOD AT EVERYTHING

fuck sake their's enough things your already overpowered at, just take this as a loss and go respec, most other people need to.

1.GTFO
2.Play a Druid yourself
3.Understand you are talking shit

Topic:

You don't need an instant, you need time.
http://ptr.wowhead.com/?spell=17329 gives you time.
Use it wisely.

[Jeydis]

Not sure if someone mentioned it before but if the guy is running just chase him in kitty form using dash if he is really far. Then start casting.

[ubergoose]

root?

[Zurth]

so another moonkin wants a buff?

QQ?

in short, no, spam wrath more plz

[Amalisa]

DRUID'S CAN'T BE GOOD AT EVERYTHING

fuck sake their's enough things your already overpowered at, just take this as a loss and go respec, most other people need to.

We are far from overpowered! Why do people think we are? All other hybrid classes are good in all three specs, yet druids have one spec that is crap!

[Hellerman]

We are far from overpowered! Why do people think we are? All other hybrid classes are good in all three specs, yet druids have one spec that is crap!

uhhh what? (the only one that can fit that sweeping generalization are palys)


druids can have more burst when they lose 1/2 of their survivability and resto druids can be killed by melee w/o ms