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    Random dungeon is NOT random

    So today:

    Oculus: x3
    Azjol-Nerub: x3
    CoT : Stratholme: x3
    Old Kingdom: x2
    Drag'Tharon Keep: x2
    Gundrak: x2
    Violet Hold: x1

    And for the record, I have unlocked the new dungeons.

    This leaves following unlocked:

    Frozen Halls (3) , Utgarde (2), Nexus, ToC, Ulduar (2) = 8 unused dungeons.

    Wasn't the system meant to prevent this?

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    Re: Random dungeon is NOT random

    Random doesn´t mean not getting the same instance over and over it just means - Take a roll 1-10 out of those numbers a RANDOM instance comes out.
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    Re: Random dungeon is NOT random

    this only proves that it is random.

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    Re: Random dungeon is NOT random

    Random roll is random.
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    Re: Random dungeon is NOT random

    Blizzard very explicit did state that it wouldn't attempt to run the same dungeons over and over again all day, specific with Oculus in mind.

    Either they must have removed this, or the implementation is seriously broken.

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    Re: Random dungeon is NOT random

    Quote Originally Posted by Runda
    this only proves that it is random.
    actually it doesn't prove that it is random. it also doesn't disprove that it is random. it only proves that people will whine about anything they can whine about.

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    Re: Random dungeon is NOT random

    Random rng is random.

    If you flip a coin 100 times, there is still a 50 % chance of it going either way.

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    Re: Random dungeon is NOT random

    Its random...
    I have had no Drak´tharon or CoS today, yet 4x Anub - 1x Saron - 2x HoR (ty) - 2x Gundrak.
    Theese are the ones i remember, they are random!

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    Re: Random dungeon is NOT random

    I've done:

    Oculus x3
    HoS x3
    AN x2
    CoS x2
    DTK x2

    So yeah, it sucks so fucking hard. Where is the new HCs or ToC even?
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    Re: Random dungeon is NOT random

    Quote Originally Posted by LavaDuck
    Random rng is random.

    If you flip a coin 100 times, there is still a 50 % chance of it going either way.
    Actually there is a negligibly smaller chance for it to land on heads do to the weighting.

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    Re: Random dungeon is NOT random

    The first ever random heroic I ran was FoS.
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    Re: Random dungeon is NOT random

    i've gotten hos, occ, toc, up, uk, occ, ok, toc

    to me, with that limited pool of tests, id say its random enough
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    Re: Random dungeon is NOT random

    I've done yesterday like ~20 runs with this ramdom instance tool.. what u are saying it total bull shit...
    had only Old kingdom x5, ocu x3, vh x2 and gundrak x3 and rest of instances once. Bliz said also that if u're saved in one of heroics it will lower chance to get there... it works fine

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    Re: Random dungeon is NOT random

    Quote Originally Posted by Nezoia
    So today:

    Oculus: x3
    Azjol-Nerub: x3
    CoT : Stratholme: x3
    Old Kingdom: x2
    Drag'Tharon Keep: x2
    Gundrak: x2
    Violet Hold: x1

    And for the record, I have unlocked the new dungeons.

    This leaves following unlocked:

    Frozen Halls (3) , Utgarde (2), Nexus, ToC, Ulduar (2) = 8 unused dungeons.

    Wasn't the system meant to prevent this?
    Also, if other people haven't unlocked the other two frozen halls, you won't get it.
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    Re: Random dungeon is NOT random

    Quote Originally Posted by Sarcasm
    The first ever random heroic I ran was FoS.
    Same here, then I hopped on my less geared level 80 alt for another Random Heroic and I got ToC...

    I, for one, like my chances.
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    Re: Random dungeon is NOT random

    Evenly distributed is the exact opposit of random, namely a predictable pattern. In a random, and any good psudorandom number generator, you have to apply the law of large numbers before you can talk of evenly distributed. In any "small" number of trials it will be unevenly distributed, that's just the nature of randomness.

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    Re: Random dungeon is NOT random

    Quote Originally Posted by LavaDuck
    Random rng is random.

    If you flip a coin 100 times, there is still a 50 % chance of it going either way.
    Actually it can land on its edge too, whilst improbable its certainly possible. Obviously though I get your meaning, and yes the OP is stupid.

    Cuz 16 heroicz is a gud sample size of the millions of ppl duing heroix AMIRITE?

    People really need to understand that random implies that over a large enough sample size, it generally balances out. If you took a sample of oh, I don't know, 10million or so heroics, you would see that there isnt a trend and random truly is random, or you could at the very least begin to see it. Trying to judge how 'random' something is based on a mere 16 its not only stupid, its laughably so.

    Blizzard very explicit did state that it wouldn't attempt to run the same dungeons over and over again all day, specific with Oculus in mind.

    Either they must have removed this, or the implementation is seriously broken.

    hmmm...no. Actually they said that it being random makes it improbable, but doesn't rule out the possibility. You can, and will get the same heroics sometimes. You might be unlucky and see the same heroic 50 times in a row, and by the same token there will be people who never ever see that particular heroic. That would probably mean that its random. You know. Like it says. Random Heroic.

    If you don't like it find a group locally on your own realm and then sign up for whatever instance you so desperately want to run. What Random Heroic will not do is give you each instance once and then repeat. For reasons why, see above.

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    Re: Random dungeon is NOT random

    You must understand a few things. First of all its random based on what the other members of your group have done. For example. If you did DTK and nobody else in your group did DTK then you still have a pretty high chance of getting in DTK. Most likely it's not going to pick a instance for you then wait for 4 other people to randomly get assigned to that instance. I would assume that it makes the group first, checks the instances people in the group have run, then randomly chooses an instance based on that information. You could try a few things to test this theory. If you get a group of 5 together and just use the random dungeon to select the dungeon you should see more of a variety in instances. If you keep using the dungeon finder to get 4 other people your own personal lockouts don't weight as heavily because it has to also consider the lockouts of 4 other people when choosing a dungeon. Also like someone already mentioned in order to do the new instances everyone in your group must have completed the quests. It's very likely that this isn't the case so early in the expansion.

    Also, random is random. It does not mean you wont get the same heroics time and time again. Besides who cares? All of them get you fucking badges.

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    Re: Random dungeon is NOT random

    Quote Originally Posted by Nezoia
    So today:

    Oculus: x3
    Azjol-Nerub: x3
    CoT : Stratholme: x3
    Old Kingdom: x2
    Drag'Tharon Keep: x2
    Gundrak: x2
    Violet Hold: x1

    And for the record, I have unlocked the new dungeons.

    This leaves following unlocked:

    Frozen Halls (3) , Utgarde (2), Nexus, ToC, Ulduar (2) = 8 unused dungeons.

    Wasn't the system meant to prevent this?
    Random is random. Random doesn't mean that when you flip a coin you get heads then tails then heads then tails. If you flip enough coins you are bound to get points where you get 4 heads in a row or 4 tails in a row. With the number of people doing the random heroics odds are there will be people who see lots of repeats just because there are so many chance. It's the same as one server getting the same random daily several days in a row.

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    Re: Random dungeon is NOT random

    Get 16 ping-pong balls, number them 1-16, toss them into a hat and come back to us with the results. Seriously, Blizz implements a fantastic system that has the potential to give you as many Emblems of Triumph a day as you can possibly collect and still there are people out there like this, moaning at the slightest thing.
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