Battered Hilt: Do I have to....?

[LanToaster]

A 5 man group is a democracy only when it's friends. If it's a random, it's a dictatorship. The tank is in charge and he or she decides. He can be a dick about it, or he can be nice about it, but make no mistake, "sorry guys, I don't have time for a full clear" is just a nice way of saying "no."

I'm sorry you don't like it. I'm sorry you think it's nooby. But it's the way the system works right now.

I for myself am a Tank, and i would Gladly clear more trash if they ask me me. Ordering around? No, but if they ask, i dont mind.

But you sir, are ignorant. Sure, I can kill most of the Trash myself and can stand there pretty long without healing. But to CLEAR the Instanz in a Moderate time.
I NEED those 3 DPS, and 1 Healer. Because its going to take a while to Kill those mobs. I would be very faster if i Just go and clear 5-6min Extra Trash, than WAIT 15minutes, and then start allover.

Maybe you guyes don´t realize that if you keep that Asshole attitute up, you end on a lot of Ignore Lists, and you could end up, waiting 15-30minutes for a Group as Tank, because you wont get grouped with People who have your name on their Ignore list.

[Powerogue]

it's like 6 more pulls than you'll probably end up with anyway. not a huge difference in time.

[darkwarrior42]

Obviously if this is an issue then you're not chain-pulling fast enough and need to improve your ability to tank and run.

This was in reference to my comment that I hate when DPS pull for me.


If you want to go faster, roll a tank yourself and pull the entire instance at once without ever stopping. I prefer fighting sections of the instance at once.

Keep in mind I"m not talking about walking up, pulling one mob, pulling around a corner, gunning it down, and moving on. I'm talking about pulling 3 groups at once and having a hunter decide that since there was another group in range, he should misdirect it onto me. This has more than once resulted in a wipe; if I don't go faster, or if I don't pull something, there's a reason.

It is the responsibility of the tank to pull. If dps are pulling, that means they want to tank, so i let them. It's just that simple.

[Itsdarkandcoldoutside]

Please bear in mind, in this situation you don't care about the hilt.

Also I'm probably a bit biased as my biggest pet peeve is some one calling me by my class or role. i.e. "Healer! move!" "Priest, give buff" It's not hard to target someone and type %t.

derailing. answer the question and free icecream.

I atleast would 100% refuse if they call me by my class or role. If I am on my lock and someone says "lock make a well" or "lock summon soenso" I make a point to ignore it till they say my chars name or atleast a few letters from it.

[raze664]

No. Tell them to run with their guilds if they want to farm the Hilt.

[Thetrollific]

If you're the tank, the group does what you say. Same if you're the healer. If you're DPS... enjoy your queue after leaving.

Hint: in the long run, it's faster if you bite the bullet and clear all trash anyway. Not like it takes more than 3-4 minutes extra.

this is the attitude i cant stand, you cant clear something without dps, just because there is one tank they act like they are the group leader, when a dps could be more skilled and know the fight better. anyways on topic, i would say clear, trash is easy, and even if you pull some extra on accident its still a faceroll. 5 minutes for potentially a few thousand gold is worth it.

[zox]

what's so rude about ppl calling someone by class/role? I've never had any problems with it...

[Telemanchos]

I have macros set up to cancel both misdirection and tricks. Said macros also cancel righteous fury and cast Divine Shield.

I doubt Misdirect still buffs the target as well, so you can no longer cancel it!
Awesome ain't it? I love misdirecting onto tanks, you know why? Because every dps in the group usually kills a different mob, the extra AoE threath helps a lot. Also, the instance goes faster, much faster even! :>

[Pasture]

what's so rude about ppl calling someone by class/role? I've never had any problems with it...

This.

I call people by their class/roles all the time. It's just quicker - and when you're trying to type something out quick in the midst of a pull the last thing you want to be doing is clicking on the party to pull up their full name and spending 20 seconds trying to type out some ungodly combination of letters and symbols I don't even know how to type using my keyboard.

If someone refers to me as 'tank', 'healer', 'hunter' or 'mage' as the case may be, I don't get all uppity about it. I like a please and thank you but that's about it.

[Thirtyrock]

I doubt Misdirect still buffs the target as well, so you can no longer cancel it!
Awesome ain't it? I love misdirecting onto tanks, you know why? Because every dps in the group usually kills a different mob, the extra AoE threath helps a lot. Also, the instance goes faster, much faster even! :>

The issue is still you pulling for me. That's my job and if you want to clear trash or optional bosses and I don't we have a problem. You can ask nicely, with a please in there and I will do it even though I don't want to/won't get anything out of it.
You want the battered hilt? As a tank I'm not supposed to roll on it, so clearing the xtra trash is 5-15 (depends upon group skill) minutes where I am essentially wasting my time. If you want me to waste my time helping you get something I can't use you can be polite.

If someone orders me around or worse MDs to me I will leave, sure you will get another tank, but I won't have wasted my time on someone selfish and rude.

[sac]

the hilt is a random drop im just finishing the instance you want it that bad? the AH sells it for 35000. though if it drops im rolling need and its going to the AH.