Thread: 3.3 balance adjustments, Rotface (10) Nerf, Blue posts

Originally Posted by Rukh

Play a ret paladin and tell me rogue rotation is too easy.

Or Arcane mage.. 2 buttons *WHAM* 7-8K DPS

Originally Posted by Ksalto

I've been playing rogue since release and always find it funny when certain classes have issues with rogues. When it comes to rogues - one can hardly find 'em whining as much about other classes as opposed to other classes complaining about rogues. Or maybe i am totally blind by the "fact" how OP rogues are? haha

Class envy is bad, right? ;D

Think you have /cast Blind on yourself sir..take a closer look at this.. something isnt right here http://worldoflogs.com/rankings/play...tergut/25N/dps
the other bosses looks quite mutch the same..

note: you can continue to the next page on dps results and see what happends

Originally Posted by KenShiro

Think you have /cast Blind on yourself sir..take a closer look at this.. something isnt right here http://worldoflogs.com/rankings/play...tergut/25N/dps
the other bosses looks quite mutch the same..

note: you can continue to the next page on dps results and see what happends

Yea but if you try and click on those players so you get the total DPS from all the raidmembers you can see a feral druid doing 10.5K, and a lock/mage doing 12K, where the rogues 1-2K more.. Is that so bad?

3 Words :
l2p, instead of QQing... Cause apparently other classes can burst above 10K on Festergut aswell, and they even have to move alot.

Well the problem was, rogues doing 10k+ DPS on bosses, but as you can see, other classes can aswell.. So instead of QQing people maybee should have a look on their DPS rotation/Gemming/Spec etc. instead.

And btw, I havent said that rogues are the "ONLY PURE DPS CLASS", and what i have calculated me to then it is a 15-20% nerf (If you count poisons reduction aswell)

Originally Posted by Waladin

Yea but if you try and click on those players so you get the total DPS from all the raidmembers you can see a feral druid doing 10.5K, and a lock/mage doing 12K, where the rogues 1-2K more.. Is that so bad?

well I tried that with the top few fights and all I saw was places 1-3 all yellow for rogues. There is a lock on the first page doing 12k but that's only for 1 minute of recorded fight (if you look closer, they only recorded the last minute of the fight when Affl. locks have a high-damage 'execute' ability).

Seriously! Rogues are OP in dps and thats a fact! Just be good and accept the nerf or reroll! There will always be complaining about nerfs and there are still nothing to do about it!

Originally Posted by Jaqen Hghar

I lol'd. Brilliant post, if not quite understanding some things (rogues should only use Expose Armor if there isn't a warrior - and when does that happen? - you don't get the melee damage buff and the crit buff at the same time, and when was the last time you saw disarmable traps in a raid/dungeon in an out of combat situation?)

The only problem with this is that rogues are the only class in the entire game that don't give a direct "buff" to anyone - and if you count tricks of the trade, then compare that to Trueshot Aura. Or, in Survival's case, Replenishment.

Maybe it's just the psychology of "Oh, I don't do anything to help my allies, I just kill our enemies" going on, but it's still there.

WTB Rogue version of Heroism/Bloodlust in Cata, PST.

I really hope you do get hero/lust down the road, and then take another big nerf to your overall dps since you bring more utility, I'd love to see the reaction to that, be it good or bad.

Rogues were OP. Face it. My rogue alt started out in combat maces at 80 with two tankards o' terror and then full quest greens/blues and was pulling between 3.5k to 4.5k dps depending on the encounter. That's at least 1k to 2k higher than any of my other 80s when they first dinged including other pure dps classes (2k higher than warlock and 1k higher than hunter). Then when I got him a little more geared up I flipped mutilate and the fireworks flew high to say the least.

On a side note, anyone saying that hybrids should be pulling less dps than pure dps classes, I really hope down the road one of your alternate trees turns into a tanking/healing tree and you get shoved into that tree based on your own logic. ;D

I realy don't like seeing any class get a nerf in PVE, the points is pve is a team effort and if one is doing more dps then an other well we get the boss down faster every nerf is a step back.

(I don't play a rogue)

Every pure loses dps catering to their utility. I've seen far too many rogues claiming that they lose sooo much damage using their class utility like it doesnt hinder other pures either. Mages do massive damage while dispelling amirite?

Take a Marksman hunter for instance. They can spec into imp Hunters Mark, at a personal loss of dps. They can spec into True Shot Aura at a personal loss and it is overwritten by Blood dk's proc buff and Shamans as well. Marksman hunters also regularly use scorpid sting to bring a to hit debuff to bosses if there isnt a druid casting theirs. Thats a dps loss too.

Too many other pure dps classes to bring up go through the same thing not to mention hybrids.


I agree with the some of the posters who accuse rogues of ignoring their utility to do personal dps and nothing else. Quit whining that dps is all you bring and man up. Topping the meters is just one way to get invited to a group. Not the only way.


And yes I volunteer to take the dps loss talents so my raid can enjoy those buffs. It's not just about your coveted imaginary dps throne you claw for.

stop nerfing rogues :'(