Glyph of Mangle vs Glyph of Savage Roar (PvE)

[Aleksej89]

http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40900 (less energy spent on Mangle and more on Shred/whatever)
vs
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45604 (static 3% increase in damage)


Which one do you fellow Druids think is better for Cat PvE, and why?

[Rédempteur]

I doubt mangle will give you a pure 3% dps increase, stick with SR. Especially since most guilds with a proper setup run with an arms warrior which has the same effect has mangle when talented right. In this condition, you shouldn't ever use anything else than shred or rake to build CPs.

[SoulPoetry]

I doubt mangle will give you a pure 3% dps increase, stick with SR. Especially since most guilds with a proper setup run with a fury warrior which has the same effect has mangle when talented right. In this condition, you shouldn't ever use anything else than shred or rake to build CPs.

it's actually an arms warrior, also a bear tank does the same job, so kitties don't need to Mangle => stick with Savage Roar.

[Selverein]

Well yeah as long as you have an Arms Warr or Bear Tank you won't need the Mangle glyph. If you don't, I think the trio SR+Shred+Rip is still better DPS, but Mangle will give you an easier time with the rotation.

So unless you're still learning, stick with SR.

[Unba]

Inb4 ,RAWR it.
First of all, http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45604 is not a 3% dmg increase. with it you're doing 143% damage with Savage Roar up instead of 140%
143/140 is 1.0214 etc., so it's only a 2% damage increase

some math:
the glyph gives us 1 shred instead of mangle per 36 seconds
that's (difference between average shred and average mangle) damage
while http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45604 is a constant ~2% damage increase
8kdps*36 seconds is 288 000 damage, 2% of it is 5760 damage
so unless the difference between your average mangle and average shred is bigger than 2% of your damage done over 36 seconds, http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45604 is better.

[Shamanskii]

as posted above, get you´r warr specc arms, if u only have a fury in u´re raid

[Rédempteur]

My bad -.- fixed my post.

[Sunshine]

I think the trio SR+Shred+Rip is still better DPS, but Mangle will give you an easier time with the rotation.

This.

Even if you want the glyph of mangle, don't replace SR for it. Replace either rip or shred.

SR is easily the best cat glyph.

[Unba]

ooops, failmath is fail
corrected my previous post

[Selverein]

Inb4 ,RAWR it.
First of all, http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45604 is not a 3% dmg increase. with it you're doing 143% damage with Savage Roar up instead of 140%
143/140 is 1.0214 etc., so it's only a 2% damage increase

some math:
the glyph gives us 1 shred instead of mangle per 36 seconds
that's (difference between average shred and average mangle) damage
while http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45604 is a constant ~2% damage increase
8kdps*36 seconds is 288 000 damage, 2% of it is 5760 damage
so unless the difference between your average mangle and average shred is bigger than 2% of your damage done over 36 seconds, http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45604 is better.

Dammit, had to redo my post cause you edited.

Still, a few things:

SR is 30% not 40% so 133/130. Also, dealing with such small numbers, don't round them too bluntly. We're dealing with 2.3% here. 2.14%, my bad about the 140% thing.

Now with your new 36s math, let's see. 2.14% of 288,000 damage is 6,163 rather than 5760.

But all of this is pointless if you have a Mangle/Trauma bot in which case you just unarguably skip the Mangle glyph. Imo just plug your numbers into Rawr and mess with the raid buffs (Mangle/Trauma) and glyphs, and see the difference in estimated DPS.

P.S. I liked the 300s math better.

[Unba]

SR is 30% not 40% so 133/130. Also, dealing with such small numbers, don't round them too bluntly. We're dealing with 2.3% here.

Um-m... Don't you spec into http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=17073 for 10% damage?

[jtstormrage]

Savage Roar is the most important Kitty glyph. More than Shred or Rip and it buffs all of your attacks.

You must pick up Naturalist. That's a no brainer.

[Moogosa]

SR+Shred+Rip is always highest dps, even if you have to be a manglebot.

The only time where you might want to swap a glyph, is Berserk in place of Rip for Anub HM, and even that's debateable and probably not worth it.

[Selverein]

Um-m... Don't you spec into http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=17073 for 10% damage?

Ah, right, sorry. I saw 40% and I assumed a confusion with the old way SR worked.

Edited my previous post. One thing I wanted to mention also, glyph of SR really is 3% more damage. It might be pointless semantics, granted. It's not a 3% DPS increase over non-glyphed, but it is a flat 3% more damage per attack.