Do ALL lowbie tanks suck?

[Dalien]

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So, I figured I'd try and level my priest all the way to 80 without doing any quests after level 15. The new LFG tool is awesome on the whole, but recently I've had the most retarded tanks I've ever seen.

By far the worst, was actually someone trying to grief the party on purpose. We zone into Shadowfang Keep, and things start to go immediately bad when we realise the tank (http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sh...+Edge&cn=Pepix) is afk and on auto follow. We pull a few mobs to see if he'll return, and wedge his character against a wall to break the /follow. He comes back, hits /follow again, and goes back to afk without saying anything. We can't kick at this point of course.

After having a discussion in /p about how to proceed without a tank, he comes back and runs headlong into as many mobs as possible, then just stands there. Luckily the 3 dps were on the ball and I'm a reasonable healer so we didn't wipe. But then, after the mage NPC opens the door to the rest of the instance, the tank again runs out and pulls as many mobs as he can before dying. This time we wipe, and there's lots of cussing at the tank.

We zone back, we rez, and he does the exact same thing again. He then proceeeds to spam "res plz" in /p, and the moment the kick timer expired he initiated a kick vote on one of the dps. I hit cancel, but the other dps must have hit accept as the vote succeeded. So now we can't kick the tank, because you can't kick two people in a row... ugh... I quit the party.

Next day, I had two seperate Druid tanks on two entirely different runs that both tried tanking without changing to bear form... what the hell? The second one actually changed to the water travel form when we were fighting the Naga in the water in BFD...

And the rest of the lowbie tanks all seem to be trying to tank in dps gear using 2 handers.

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[kaelleria]

You don't really need a tank until you get to later levels honestly. Hell... I tanked BRD the other day mostly on my rogue...

But yes... bad players are bad.

[Kyrnic]

And this is why i love my friend who is leveling as a prot warrior. Just about impossible to die.

[Alan1187]

Pretty sure tanks don't even need shields until Ramparts (Bears and DKs obviously are already fine), and even then if they have a good amount of armor they should be fine until the Coilfang instances.

[dotOrion]

I've actually had mostly good experiences, but there is always the occasional idiot.
You have those at 80 as well, of course.

@Alan1187: I disagree. A pally or a warrior without a shield can be fairly hard to keep up.

[ArthurEdwards]

not all.. there are lowbie but know how to tank but there are fully geared but really eat his shirt my playing coz still confuse on what to do.

Lesson, its depend on the player but much prefer if you know how to tank and well geared. :P

[TheDrednaught]

Honestly - I find the healers to be lack luster.

My BIGGEST complaint as a tank is joining a instance and seeing a damn Paladin as the designated healer...

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And he has 500 mana...

Mind you we are 15-19 right now but seriously...

So then I say "Can you keep me up?" to which point he responds "Duh.."

So I go on about my merry way through the instance pulling 1-2 mobs at a time... Constantly harrassed by the DPS to pull more and more and more..

So I pull a few more and the paladin is OOM by the end of the fight and says "WAIT I need to regen mana.." to which the whole group face palms because he is DPS cueing as a healer with no drink. I have BoA gear - And I use a shield..I keep the debuffs up on the mobs and pop shield wall each pull..By real healers I am told that they love my tanking because I can AoE tank as a Warrior at such a low level. But when I get the tards who want fast cues its rediculous. Half the time I die because the healer cant keep up and then of all people the HEALER leaves...

Seriously..most lowbie healers suck.

[KandyCane]

Uhm, I'm pretty sure this guy(SFK one) was just trying to ruin it for you. So it's not a case of a new player. Anyone who's played before at 80 are able to tank properly when they reroll at low levels, as there's barely any abilities to use then.

About the druids, well, if they were new to the game and had some brain activity, they'd realise Bear form is for tanking as well. MIGHT be another case of people trying to ruin it, but then again, could just be some not-so-smart people or someone who doesn't understand English enough to read abilities.


Personally I only had troubles with tanks not being able to hold aggro on my Heirloom-decked Shaman, otherwise they were pretty good. You just have terrible luck I'm sure.

[TheSpid]

I soloed Zul'Farrak, Ramparts and Blood Furnace on my hunter. Naturally i outleveled those instances a bit, but i was always within xp range of the mobs. You really don't need a tank.

But to answer your question: Yes.

To give you a sollution: Find a mate or two and gorup with them. I did 3x pally with two of my mates and it's real easy just the 3 of us. We've also done it with pally/lock/priest and rogue/druid/priest.

The easiest woould be to just get a mate to be tank and then you're set. But instancing with people you know is always more fun and 3 manning everything even more so.

[Alan1187]

I've actually had mostly good experiences, but there is always the occasional idiot.
You have those at 80 as well, of course.

@Alan1187: I disagree. A pally or a warrior without a shield can be fairly hard to keep up.

Well perhaps it varies, I know I did the "lower city BRD" and SM with ret paladins with the threat buff up, but they also were pretty well off gear wise. But even at the SFK level though, it wouldn't be an issue at all (granted the tank from the story was obviously going out the way to cause wipes).

[Datghosty]

I feel your pain 100%.
my new drood i wanted to lvl as pure resto in lfg from 15 onwards (currently 38) many a time ive had druid tanks not using bear form in the lower lvls.
or jumping out of bear form to use wrath cuz they said there dps is too low as a bear, or using kitty form.
i Agree early instances you dont really need a main tank as most of the mobs die fast, but having total idiots sign up as tank, worst by far was in sfk, kept going afk, also done the vote kick against a dps cuz the dps said they needed a cloak that dropped there, accidentally clicked ye so couldnt vote kick again.
literally every few mins it was "AFK" then came back to see us clearing trash and bitching at us that we cant do it without him, he kept needing on ALL drops, even malachites/tigereyes etc, he kept running off and pulling tons thus wiping.
After 2nd wipe when he blamed the mage for not healing him (yeh kinda giggled at that) we all left,
10 mins later i rejoin lfg and i get the same tank... i chose to have the debuff

Edited to add something that happened in SM Armory, no wasnt a tank but it did have me in hysterics.
a hunter with a caster staff, wearing a cloth dress, with no pet, no ranged wep, meleeing mobs close up, when questioned he said "OMFG U NOOBS IM NOT BEASTMASTER SPEC SO DONT NEED A PET"

[cyqu]

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@Alan1187: I disagree. A pally or a warrior without a shield can be fairly hard to keep up.

I do all my heroic dailies with a arms/fury warrior or ret pally in full dos gear so no it's no that bad

[Plonkas]

By far the worst, was actually someone trying to grief the party on purpose. We zone into Shadowfang Keep, and things start to go immediately bad when we realise the tank (http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sh...+Edge&cn=Pepix) is afk and on auto follow. We pull a few mobs to see if he'll return, and wedge his character against a wall to break the /follow. He comes back, hits /follow again, and goes back to afk without saying anything. We can't kick at this point of course.

That link forwards me to an alliance armory, and that kinda settles me. Been playing A for some years, and re-rolled a char on a new realm on the H side. On my old realm i always felt that i ran aorund with alot of morons who didnt know their class mechanics or had any common sense about anything what so ever. And i must say its better among H. So re-roll, its worth it in the long run.

Well that might been a bit harsh, looked on that page again, an i mean he is such a moron, running around in "white" gear, still 2 TP short in his spellbook. Leveling as holy. That person pressing teh buttons on that char is a total waste of time. Nothing to do with the fraction.. or has it..? (:

[Zylos]

15-30 is bad most healers dont get a large portion of their heal spells until later int he game and tanks don't either, where most dps already have at least 1 or 2 core dpsing abilities. so it is very 1 dimensional from the tank/healing perspective. not to mention if you want mana at those levels you pretty much need to wear cloth or get lucky with some of the eagle gear.

[fluffypants]

I do all my heroic dailies with a arms/fury warrior or ret pally in full dos gear so no it's no that bad

i really really doubt it, unless your healer is awsome. i usually tank hc's in tank gear with dps rings+trinkets and wep enchant, and mobs still hit me for a decent 3-4k(46k hp mostly buffed in hc's so w/e) but he will get his ass kicked in Hor

and most tanks a i has where good/fine at lower lvls, and else i just tanked it(as rogue/ele sham )

[sethers656]

Well I had the same exact idea on my paladin to level to 80 from 15 with dungeons only..... Currently I tank as ret as it is much easier for threat + damage + you dontr get much from port at this point. I do use a shield with my BoA 1H....

I think you are being too hard on tanks alone. MOST Lowbies just completely fail. I am almost always number 1 on dps while tanking and have least 30-50% on healing (yay judment of light + crusader)...

Ive found the best thing to do is just keep doing the instance.... they are easy enough so you could almost solo it if you are careful.......

I can see that it would be a bit harder if you're tank is the retard which is why I made mine a tank... (along with I couldn't stand 10+ min queues)

I have helped my shaman friend through 60-80 on my bear druid while he heals because he says after 55+, all youi get is retard DK tanks that have no idea what theyre doing. Im sure it will continue for a long time....

Another very good thiong to di is once u get a good tank/healer/group, ask them to do chain deungeons.... Ive had a healer stay with me through 5 instances at least and it makes it soooo easy when you have a good tank/healer.

Or you could always have a friend level with you..... I have a friend leveling a priest who is a bit above me and we just started doing a lot of dungeons together....

TLDR: All lowbies suck, find a good one and do multiple dungeons with him.

[melvyl]

I have been leveling a Druid Resto since lvl26. So I have seen a variety of good and bad tanks.

As far as shields - Seen tanks go without them a couple of times but only if they were wearing BoA gear and knew exactly what they were doing.

As far as dps - Just like tanks, I have seen lots of variety. Some people know what they are doing and pump out the dps. Other people just sort of wander around and cause problems.

Either way, it didn't seem to matter much until this week when I got to ... Maraudon.

That is one hard instance when everything is 4-6 levels above you and everything is in a pack, not to mention the wandering mobs. I have been in several failed pugs already and don't expect that to end anytime soon.

The key to the successful one - the tank lecturing the dps on what and what not to do. It still wasn't easy but at least we got through it.

[Keoren]

My level 56 prot warrior alt is frankly quite awesome.

[ItachiZaku]

DPS warrior here, usually top hit points and only one or two issues with tanks. Mostly solid so far. I've had one of those non-bear form tanks and after 2 pulls in Gnomeran the healer was QQing that he wasn't going bear and the tank said something about "well you won't have a level 32 tank then!" and I just left. Screw it. I do NOT know that place at all, so I wasn't going to put up with that nonsense. The other time I did that place, we had a shaman tank that was awesome.

I'm actually surprised the lowbie tanks have been so good.

[celinamuna]

You don't really need a tank until you get to later levels honestly. Hell... I tanked BRD the other day mostly on my rogue...

But yes... bad players are bad.

+1
I remember back when bc just came out and i was lvling my rogue, we had to 4 man uldaman as 2 rogues + 2 hunters simply because there were no tanks / healers of the same lvl group.
And also the reason most ppl at low lvl try to tank in dps crap is that you don't get that much by putting on that shield other then 4-5% chance to block(not even all the dmg) , but you do lose a lot of threat and dmg done. Also this is so early that they're talent points don't rly mean that much