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    2 piece holy set.

    How good is the 2 piece holy set effect tbh?

    Basically the t10 is as good as t9.25. I don't want to lose my t9 2 set bonus as its imba (20% PoM boost)

    I currently have 1 trophy of the crusade in my bags, so i can switch the t9.25 around a bit.

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    I was thinking buy the t10 helm to replace my current one, and the t10 shoulders and swap robes of acent for the t9.25 chest. However, the t9.25 chest is crit, and i'm low on haste as it is so i'm thinking this is bad.

    need some ideas, go go MMO.

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    Re: 2 piece holy set.

    gem crit and haste instead of intellect, i doubt you're ooming yourself in raids with all raidbuffs and that mana pool? if you do then yell for an innervate from a feral druid or use hymn and/or fiend

    do that and you're fine to get whatever gear you like
    the 2 piece set is pretty damn awesome so you can keep it for as long as you want (probably until you get 4set t10 :P)

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    Re: 2 piece holy set.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kaerin
    How good is the 2 piece holy set effect tbh?

    Basically the t10 is as good as t9.25. I don't want to lose my t9 2 set bonus as its imba (20% PoM boost)

    I currently have 1 trophy of the crusade in my bags, so i can switch the t9.25 around a bit.

    http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sh...alls&cn=kaerin

    I was thinking buy the t10 helm to replace my current one, and the t10 shoulders and swap robes of acent for the t9.25 chest. However, the t9.25 chest is crit, and i'm low on haste as it is so i'm thinking this is bad.

    need some ideas, go go MMO.
    What I have equipped atm: 258 helm & shoulders, t10 gloves & pants. This leaves your chest open for some really great haste drops. The chest off of Heroic Queen will be a great choice for this slot.

    Don't gem crit. I see you are a bit low for haste. I would personally swap some Ametrines into Reckless and most definitely drop the Int gems, also that Int/Spirit you could do http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40174 if you felt compelled.

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    Re: 2 piece holy set.

    i'ma switch the 20 int gems for 12 sp 10 haste some time because my mana pool is rather large. Crit is a bad thing to gem, don't do that.

    Still no one's answered my question :P

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    Re: 2 piece holy set.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kaerin
    How good is the 2 piece holy set effect tbh?
    As HOLY, the T9-2set bonus is simply excellent. Prayer of Mending is usually responsible for about a fifth of your total healing; and a setbonus making that portion 20% stronger is actually damned nice. At least it's better than every other priest setbonus in the game combined. Not that there was much information in that statement.

    However, casting Prayer of Mending is very often resulting in a huge amount of overheal. The setbonus in turn typically means 20% more overheal if you want to look at it with pessimistic eyes. In most cases, you won't really notice it due to that problem.

    But - when you put a T9-boosted ProM on a tank, it is definitively notable and very excellent, because tanks take silly hits these days and ProM will never overheal on a tank as a result. And with the T9 setbonus, ProM is basically the best single target heal in your arsenal, and largely allows you to cover for the fact that the remainder of your single target healing arsenal sucks badly. If you're lucky, ProM will also jump between tanks a lot, making ProM downright godly, and the setbonus 20% more godly to boot. ^^

    For those reasons, I would recommend against dropping it until you can keep your tank up with flash heal alone. I don't see that happening until both and your tank are clad in ilvl290s.
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    Re: 2 piece holy set.

    I will never drop the t9.25 2 set bonus, i was asking about the t10 2 set, and which things to replace. Should i get the t9.25 chest and get the shoulders + hat of t10, or get the chest + the hat of t10, taking the loss of haste into account.

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    Re: 2 piece holy set.

    You can make up haste on all your other peices.

    Personally, I'm running Shoulders/Gloves of t9, with Chest/Helm of t10. The Shoulders and Gloves offer the least amount of "lost stats" from the lack of an upgrade, whereas you'd be impacted harder if you chose to keep your robe back for example.

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    Re: 2 piece holy set.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelesti
    You can make up haste on all your other peices.

    Personally, I'm running Shoulders/Gloves of t9, with Chest/Helm of t10. The Shoulders and Gloves offer the least amount of "lost stats" from the lack of an upgrade, whereas you'd be impacted harder if you chose to keep your robe back for example.
    This is also my plan for gearing. The T9 2 piece bonus is awesome and worth keeping as long as possible, so you want to nerf your stats the least amount possible to keep it, and the gloves/shoulders carry the least itemization value of the tier pieces so they're the best pieces to hold onto for the bonus.


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    Re: 2 piece holy set.

    I'm probably skipping t10 for off pieces, maybe I'll get 2pc but I will never get 4pc cause the bonus is terrible

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    Re: 2 piece holy set.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zeuq
    This is also my plan for gearing. The T9 2 piece bonus is awesome and worth keeping as long as possible, so you want to nerf your stats the least amount possible to keep it, and the gloves/shoulders carry the least itemization value of the tier pieces so they're the best pieces to hold onto for the bonus.

    got 264 gloves.

    and the 4 set bonus is sick for t10 ;o

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    Re: 2 piece holy set.

    2 set is hardly good, 4 set just sucks.

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    Re: 2 piece holy set.

    Posted by: Kaerin - Posted on: January 29, 2010, 08:39:28 am

    and the 4 set bonus is sick for t10 ;o
    Whaat ??? - Are you talking about Priest T10 ?

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    Now that we are talking about the infamous T10 p2/p4 bonus.

    Am I the only one feeling that discipline has won the lucky draw ?

    With my playstyle, FH was mainly used when I proc'd SoL - Otherwise it's only in unforeseen situations, where a quick top-up was needed.

    How can it be fair, that Penance which has a 12 sec cd (no spec/glyph) in a build where Fh is used as jam to your bread and butter VS. CoH which has a 6 sec cd in a build where a non-SoL-Fh is mainly situationfill - (I used ER as filler)

    That means that Disc can get a 12 sec cd reset - they have 12 seconds to get the proc - While holy have 6 seconds - with atleast 2 gcd's used to get the proc(If your very lucky), which requires you to get the proc after first FH after CoH - You would already have used almost ~3 seconds - thats already 50 % of the CoH cd - while penance would only be 25% of the cd.

    - Is Blizzard trying to get a holy FH build/playstyle going ?

    Either way, even after the revamp of the bonus, I think it sucks for holy and is "meh" for disc0..

    On Topic :

    I understand you want to keep your T9.25 - The bonus is yummiyummi.

    Though I would recommend not to get too in love with it, since you will have to switch it at some point :'( :-*




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    Re: 2 piece holy set.

    im disc and im not going for it. my shoulders and legs are the 2 piece and if i get other set pieces they will be shadow gear

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    Re: 2 piece holy set.

    There is only one little thing I wanted to add here.

    I read somewhere the tip og gemming Haste. Well it's a perfect waste of the gem. You can easily count the benefits of a little more haste and find out for yourself that that the casttime difference is not worth it. It is by far better to gem for int / spellpower as a holy priest than anything else on those sockets. I would even suggest you to gem with the green int/spirit on some pieces of gear, or spelldmg/int.

    You get more than enough haste from the gear you are actually wearing. Gemming spelldmg/crit on one or two pieces is also not that wrong if you have a second spec discipline and/or you are low on crit in your holy spec.

    Gemming hastee however is a perfect waste of the slot...

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    Re: 2 piece holy set.

    Quote Originally Posted by IgotRICKrolled
    Posted by: Kaerin - Posted on: January 29, 2010, 08:39:28 am

    Whaat ??? - Are you talking about Priest T10 ?

    ~ Off Topic:

    Now that we are talking about the infamous T10 p2/p4 bonus.

    Am I the only one feeling that discipline has won the lucky draw ?

    With my playstyle, FH was mainly used when I proc'd SoL - Otherwise it's only in unforeseen situations, where a quick top-up was needed.

    How can it be fair, that Penance which has a 12 sec cd (no spec/glyph) in a build where Fh is used as jam to your bread and butter VS. CoH which has a 6 sec cd in a build where a non-SoL-Fh is mainly situationfill - (I used ER as filler)

    That means that Disc can get a 12 sec cd reset - they have 12 seconds to get the proc - While holy have 6 seconds - with atleast 2 gcd's used to get the proc(If your very lucky), which requires you to get the proc after first FH after CoH - You would already have used almost ~3 seconds - thats already 50 % of the CoH cd - while penance would only be 25% of the cd.

    - Is Blizzard trying to get a holy FH build/playstyle going ?

    Either way, even after the revamp of the bonus, I think it sucks for holy and is "meh" for disc0..

    On Topic :

    I understand you want to keep your T9.25 - The bonus is yummiyummi.

    Though I would recommend not to get too in love with it, since you will have to switch it at some point :'( :-*



    thanks gone through that in my brain already :P

    another thing i wanted to add was the fact most of my healing comes from flash heals, for some reason, that's why i really want to see how good the effect really is :P

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    Re: 2 piece holy set.

    How good is the T10 4 bonus? Atm i have the T10 gloves/shoulders and i have almost 90 EoF so i'm not sure if i should get holy helm/chest T10 or maybe shadow T10 chest/helm.

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    Re: 2 piece holy set.

    I dont know about what the other guys in this thread experiance is, mostly they just say "lulsucks" but I'll throw in my two cents.

    2 piece set bonus tends to add on averarge around 10% to my effective flash heal - healing. So.. if 2% of my healing is FH, 2%(ISH) is effective healing from the proc.

    Its pretty good, and considering as an above poster said if 20% of your healing is PoM, an extra 20% from 2 part tier 9 wont tend to add 4% effective healing. It'll prolly add 4% of your effective healing into your overheal pile instead :P.

    NOTE: Im Disco, for holy I imagine this isnt as good.

    Oh, also, please note that the hot STACKS. So its not uncommon if you spam FH for the hot to build up to 2k..3k..4k..5k.. etc.. Its a bit casino at times, but its more cool than more overhealing.

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    Re: 2 piece holy set.

    You will find it is lackluster at best. I have tested out the 4 piece the last couple days. I used it in 10 man ICC last night as holy and disc on a couple different fights. I have done a few five mans and the ole burn the mana bar tests.

    #1 the 20% proc on a 6 second cooldown spell. This is not very high at all and in no way something you can count on. Yes I had it proc a couple times really quick in a row on trash but on boss fights never got that lucky. Never did I get the magic triple chain. The ideal situation was to get a surge proc and the circle to proc the reset. This was the best case scenario but didn't happen that often. 1st you only have a 50% shot of the surge proc then that has to line up with a 20% chance to proc the reset otherwise you end up with this...
    COH-->GCD(Flash Heal! Procs)-->Flash Heal (1 sec)-->Circle resets at approximately 3 seconds left factoring lag.

    So you could shave 3 seconds off the cooldown. Not bad but the problem is it is such a low proc chance and is not reliable. You just can't guarantee when it will proc. On an aura fight great more circle at the sacrifice of throwing 2 renews. The problem is when you factor in GCD's. Rough math is 6 circles per minute with a 20% proc chance is maybe 1 extra circle per minute. My circle hits for a total heal of around 23-26k raid buffed not counting overheal. On a 4 minute fight that is 100k extra healing before overheal. That is also 4 GCD's that I could use for renew or pom or another more appropriate spell such as a Guardian Spirit. I will always choose the best sp ell regardless of procs. But four renews vs. 4 circles is the tradeoff. So you really don't gain that much effective healing.

    Disc is the same problem..it creates an unnatural rotation. I don't like having to decide to use a bad spell for the moment when something else would be more appropriate. The best case scenario for disc is to cut your penance cooldown by 4 seconds. The problem with disc is penance is a channeled spell so you generally have a little less time to prioritize who gets the flash to reset the penance.

    TLR The proc chance is low and RNG doesn't guarantee you will waste those few times it procs. It makes you choose a spell that may be a waste or bad for the moment. Also 6 seconds is a very short amount of time and the longer it takes to reset the cooldown the less benefit it gives you.

    I really wanted the set bonus to be good or at least decent but it just isn't happening and most people in progression raiding will not be taking the tokens over some of the other classes that benefit more. Shadow priest set bonus rocks..ours is meh.

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    Re: 2 piece holy set.

    Originally my plan for both holy and disc was to just use the offtier pieces in every socket like Leggings of Woven Death, Cowl of Malefic Repose, etc. But after seeing the rediculous amount of healing lost when you get rid of the T9 2set i had to put them back on. I'm actually surprised it hasnt been nerfed yet, it makes raid healing Festergut and Lanathel in particular such a joke.

    Even if you decide not to wear the 2set all the time, keep it in your bags with you wherever you go.

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    Re: 2 piece holy set.

    right now i've got 2 piece t9 and 2 piece t8, i didn't do 4 piece t9 because i would rather have a 10% crit on PoH and also have a 20% increases healing on PoM, I'm going to switch out my 2 piece t8 for 2 piece t10 when i get enough badges, i am going to roll with gloves and legs for 2 piece t9 and helm and shoulders for 2 piece t10, and then wait for a good chest to drop since chests usually have 3 sockets now.

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