Affliction PVE

[Bakis]

Hello.
LT now scaleing with SP in 3.3, is dark pact still better then LT?

bakis/ratskinn/gherkin?

As a warlock specced with dark pact maybe 20% of ur "lifetaps" will be lifetap and rest dark pacts. Cant remember the number at the top of my head cos Im a bit fucked now but there is more to good gameplay than staring at numbers, for example you not losing HP to get mana, survivability? *ring ring*

[ratskinmahoney]

Personally, I'm still using LT exclusively, though Bakis is right. I find that as affliction my mana consumption isn't a problem if I LT every 30-40 seconds, which I do for the buff anyway, so I've never bothered to respec.

However, I am still running normal modes and only just about to get first attempts on LK, so I'll probably find myself switching in the next week or so.

[Bakis]

You sure will, nothing make me feel more stupid than lifetapping before some major even getting gibbed cos I wanted mana

[Attaxor]

Hello.
LT now scaleing with SP in 3.3, is dark pact still better then LT?

bakis/ratskinn/gherkin?

DP is better when you want the LT glyph pre-combat or if you cant afford losing Hp. EXAMPLE you got mark on saurfang and lifetaping may kill you.

[Goatonlb]

DP is better when you want the LT glyph pre-combat or if you cant afford losing Hp. EXAMPLE you got mark on saurfang and lifetaping may kill you.

Not sure what you mean about pre-combat, either will proc the glyph in or out of combat. I pre lifetap everypull.

As far as getting gibbed, it might be ONCE per fight (on normal at least) where a big incoming damage event is going to occur and you need the mana. Most of them are obvious enough to be planned around. Either lifetap early to avoid lining it up with the incomming damage, lifetap right after casting haunt so the damage is nearly instantly healed, or hold off on it until after the big damage.

Mark on Saurfang is a good example, but that may be a good time to pop a HS if you don't know when it's coming and you're OOM.

[Bakis]

Since affe dont lifetap that much its a matter of safe than sorry. Dps wise it doesnt matter but you eliminate the chanses of getting gibbed. In heroicfights there are many encounters where you rather be at full health than having 80-85%

[ratskinmahoney]

As far as getting gibbed, it might be ONCE per fight (on normal at least) where a big incoming damage event is going to occur and you need the mana. Most of them are obvious enough to be planned around. Either lifetap early to avoid lining it up with the incomming damage, lifetap right after casting haunt so the damage is nearly instantly healed, or hold off on it until after the big damage.

You're assuming a level of situational awareness which is occasionally beyond me. The frequency with which I can LT/ pop Meta/ teleport at exactly the wrong moment - especially on new content - is quite embarrassing really. As Bakis says, it's a 'better safe than sorry' kind of a thing, and the personal cost in terms of dps loss from the re-spec is non-existent. It's also a slight benefit to your healers, though unlikely one that will be especially noticeable unless you often do use LT without thinking.

Nevertheless, both are viable, life-tapping locks aren't going to be incapable of doing hard modes, it's just another small thing to be keeping in the back of your mind while you play.

[nixlov]

okey ive been trying to test it myself but the numbers seem 2 random to make sense out of

does drain soul update with buffs etc ? like when im allrdy using drain soul and t10 procs for 10% dmg does the Drain soul gain that dmg bonus ? same with trinkets and ring procs

also, if this is the case does drain soul still benefit from the buffs if the buff fades and im still casting Drain soul ?

[ratskinmahoney]

As a general rule:

Buffs:

If you receive a buff all spells whose casting starts while that buff is active will benefit from it for their full duration.

Debuffs:

If a target receives a debuff all spells on that target will receive the benefit of that debuff from the time the debuff activates until the time it disappears regardless of when they were cast.

This applies to everything with the exception of Corruption, which behaves slightly oddly with some buffs due to Everlasting Affliction, and even then the above is still a good basic guide.

[nixlov]

thank you oh master of the dark arts

[Vicieus]

No. SB - Haunt - Corruption - UA - COA - SB

Wouldn't you want to do sb - haunt - UA - coa - corruption - sb

so that your 4 set proc has a chance to proc during nevermelting ice crystal use then cast corruption while its up?

[ratskinmahoney]

If you have 4pc t10 you want

UA - haunt - CoA - SB... hitting corruption when appropriate. Alternatively go with a regular opener and just overwrite corruption when you get the proc.

There's no point making an effort to get Shadow Mastery up early if you're holding off on corruption and you want UA up first to hasten the proc.

[Turtles]

Hey, first time posting here, but I've been following for a while.

It may have been mentioned before, but I haven't read the entire thread, and I was wondering, do you have to refreash your dots once BL/Heroism has been activated for your dots to recieve the haste increase?

Thanks.

[ratskinmahoney]

Only corruption will receive the haste increase. Yes. You have to refresh it for it to do so.

This will happen when you cast SB/Haunt/DS so you don't have to worry about it.

[Bakis]

[img width=250]http://i42.tinypic.com/dra5bq.jpg[/img]
Ratskin as affliction. True story! 8)

[ratskinmahoney]

Pah. My fringe is much more impressive than that. That fringe is but a pale shadow of the majesty that is my emo fringe.

Eagles nurture their young beneath it's majestic peak, and it casts a shadow so great that primitive tribes believe it to be evil and will not venture beneath it, despite the abundance of wildlife it supports.

[Azerox]

5-man dungeons:

What is best rotation for affliction to do gecent dps in 5-mans?

Or do i beter stick to destruction for that?

Gearing up my warlock atm, avg level gear atm 226

Thanks.

[Goatonlb]

Tab Seed, Tab Seed, Tab Seed.....you get the idea.

Most everything will die before you get any kind of roatation up as Affliction in a 5man, so AoE is the best way to pump out good damage. What you have to watch for is that there are also a good amount of tanks that can't hold AoE threat, which means you'll likely die, or they'll blame you and kick you.

Shatter is your friend, SS is your friend, Healthstone is your friend, GG Coil if your friend, Portal is your friend.

If those outs aren't enough to keep em off you, wait a bit before you start the AoE. If you still don't feel like your contributing too much, or pulling aggro/dying too easily, then I would go Destro for burst in the 5mans.

An alternative is to UA/Corruption a few mobs, and Spam Sbolts at the other. Hopefully that'll proc Eradication/4pc T10(if you have it) often, and your Sbolts will do good DPS on the high HP mobs. There isn't a whole lot you can't solo if your Sbolt target comes after you in a heroic, especially with the outs mentioned above.

[Kelth]

Set the boss as your focus and use the following macro:

 /cast [@focus, exists] Haunt; Haunt

I tried this macro yesterday. As soon as you focus another player you can't cast Haunt anymore.

I believe it would better be like this:

 /cast [@focus, exists, harm] Haunt; Haunt

[Goatonlb]

Possibly, but for what purpose would you /focus another player as a pure DPS? In a normal situation, I can think of a few extremes.