Thread: Patch 3.3.2 - The Fall of the Lich King

Checking the DB from mmo-champ you will find that the Warsong and Wryn spell have multiple spells :

http://db.mmo-champion.com/s/73816/hellscreams-warsong/
http://db.mmo-champion.com/s/73818/hellscreams-warsong/
http://db.mmo-champion.com/s/73819/hellscreams-warsong/
http://db.mmo-champion.com/s/73820/hellscreams-warsong/
http://db.mmo-champion.com/s/73821/hellscreams-warsong/
http://db.mmo-champion.com/s/73822/hellscreams-warsong/

So its safe to say this will be the zone wide buff you can get in entire icecrown.

Originally Posted by tommyhil622

My best guess is that he's going to remain dormant and server as a depressant for all the scourge lol. Probably he's containing his power just to serve as the "jailer". He may also be dying and i guess that would preserve his body more? Not sure. One things for sure, he resembles Ner'Zhul how he was encased in ice. Either way, i think the whole idea is stupid. There's no reason for blizz to keep the lich king. They keep saying oh, they will tear azeroth apart...but wasn't the lich kings agenda to do so? Whats more dangerous? An organized army with plans? Or a scattered army with no direction or purpose. The powers of the lich king should of gone with arthas death. And let bolvar rest in piece. Makes no sense to me whatsoever. Its like they desperately trying to do a parody of Pirates of the Carri-bean. The the dutchman must always have a captain lol. Common.

There are very many "mythologys" that have some form or other of "jailer/ruler of the dead" even if it's just of a certain portion of the dead. in fact I would be hard pressed to think of one that doesn't. It is however possible some exist I never claimed to know everything about every belief system.

Patch Mirrors:

RU --> http://ul.to/178o6g/WoW-3.3.0.11159-...ruRU-patch.exe

GB --> http://ul.to/t7ebgh/WoW-3.3.0.11159-...enGB-patch.exe

US --> http://ul.to/7siyh8/WoW-3.3.0.11159-...enUS-patch.exe

FR --> http://ul.to/fxfueq/WoW-3.3.0.11159-...frFR-patch.exe

DE --> http://ul.to/ou9mpy/WoW-3.3.0.11159-...deDE-patch.exe

MX --> http://ul.to/kkdz5s/WoW-3.3.0.11159-...esMX-patch.exe

ES --> http://ul.to/sk0u6d/WoW-3.3.0.11159-...esES-patch.exe

It's hard to tell with the quality of the models, but Terenas almost looks smug after he tells Tirion that there must always be a Lich King and goes poof. His voice also changed a bit, but that might be meant as a fading effect.
Who knows? I just get the feeling this'll come back to haunt my wallet in the form of a new expansion at some point.

Please, oh please, someone link the quotes that goes around in Lich King encounter.

Just a question that I have to ask, though I might be looking into to things to much.
Do notice that Ive just watched this cinematic from my workcomputer, without sound.
Moving on!

Is it just me or is there a spirit leaving Bolvar when he puts on the helm?
Is it Bolvars or maybe the remaining spirit of Ner'Zhul (I know Arthas banished bla bla bla read the book bla bla).
Could it be that Bolvar is fooling everyone to give him the power to maybe rule on his own?
What is he looses his soul as he takes on the helm and Ner'Zhul is finally alone to rule the scourge. (Seeing as Arthas spirit was to hard to overcome for Ner'Zhul, and now we killed Arthas "for" him).

Just brainstormin' abit..

Moving on abit more..
..

And yeah, have to add that I've been waiting (with all the other wc3 fans / lore whores) since 2003.
That's __7__ years to see the fate of Arthas and the conclusions of his acts.. and what do we get?

a ~3 min long cutscene with a few frases and then some random guy (Yes I know that Bolvar was close to Wrynn and ruled in his absent, still not a MAJOR char in wc3 universe.) to take his place.

7 years of waiting, and we get 3 minutes?
That's some serious bullshit right there.
And why put money and time into making the pre-cinematic for WOTLK in CG / Animated video and then the make the "finalé" in some shitty ingame grafic, its just totally BEYOND ME!?

Its a clear statement that Blizzard doesnt give a shit.. Its all about promoting the game before and when ppl have it they can just throw about whatever they want.

The fact that Bolvar became the new guy is just cause they found it as the easiest solution.
Poor.. very poor.

The fact that Bolvar became the new guy is just cause they found it as the easiest solution.

I highly doubt that. I'm pretty sure they planned for that all expansion. The incident at the Wrath Gate, Alexstraza's words just after, the visions during Yog, these all involved Bolvar in one way or another. It's not something they came up with at the last minute.

Originally Posted by asfalito

Just a question that I have to ask, though I might be looking into to things to much.
Do notice that Ive just watched this cinematic from my workcomputer, without sound.
Moving on!

Is it just me or is there a spirit leaving Bolvar when he puts on the helm?
Is it Bolvars or maybe the remaining spirit of Ner'Zhul (I know Arthas banished bla bla bla read the book bla bla).
Could it be that Bolvar is fooling everyone to give him the power to maybe rule on his own?
What is he looses his soul as he takes on the helm and Ner'Zhul is finally alone to rule the scourge. (Seeing as Arthas spirit was to hard to overcome for Ner'Zhul, and now we killed Arthas "for" him).

Just brainstormin' abit..

Moving on abit more..
..

And yeah, have to add that I've been waiting (with all the other wc3 fans / lore whores) since 2003.
That's __7__ years to see the fate of Arthas and the conclusions of his acts.. and what do we get?

a ~3 min long cutscene with a few frases and then some random guy (Yes I know that Bolvar was close to Wrynn and ruled in his absent, still not a MAJOR char in wc3 universe.) to take his place.

7 years of waiting, and we get 3 minutes?
That's some serious bullshit right there.
And why put money and time into making the pre-cinematic for WOTLK in CG / Animated video and then the make the "finalé" in some shitty ingame grafic, its just totally BEYOND ME!?

Its a clear statement that Blizzard doesnt give a shit.. Its all about promoting the game before and when ppl have it they can just throw about whatever they want.

The fact that Bolvar became the new guy is just cause they found it as the easiest solution.
Poor.. very poor.

That is JUST the cinematic. You have all the ingame stuff as well. Bolvar has been around since the start of WoW and had a major part in WOLTK. Remember the whole Wrathgate stuff?

Originally Posted by Digits

I highly doubt that. I'm pretty sure they planned for that all expansion. The incident at the Wrath Gate, Alexstraza's words just after, the visions during Yog, these all involved Bolvar in one way or another. It's not something they came up with at the last minute.

Though I see your point, you're missing mine, Im not saying he is a "last minute" solution.. just the easiest one and a very lame one.
And the fact that he actually dies and somehow returns in Lavaform just makes me rofl.

And for the post above me, dont try to be a wiseguy dude..
"Have you seen the whole Wrathgate stuff?".. of course I have.
It still doesnt really make me feel that Bolvar is major character in Warcraft lore.
His role has been to stand beside a child in Stormwind while Wrynn was absent, to later lead an assault on Wrathgate - Do you really think that justifices him being the new Lich King?

Tirion, Mal'Ganis, Ner'Zhul or just someone more "major" wouldve been accepted imo.
Bolvar? no...

Originally Posted by mrwingtipshoes

I somehow doubt this is the end of Bolvars story.

That's clear!
This is just the start of Bolvar, but at the cost of Arthas? No thank you.
People (including me obviously) have been waiting for this for 7 years, and we get 3 minutes of nothing..
This was the cinematic that would show the fate of Arthas and the Lich King.
And with the fact that Arthas might be the biggest char in Warcraft - with Thrall, Jaina, Sargeras etc - he should've been given a grand exit. Not just a few phares and then to see Bolvar come in and mantle the Frozen Throne.

This cinematic was epic until Arthas father arrived, from there it went downhill..
It was suppose to be the BIG conclusion and finale to Arthas, what we have been waiting for, for so long.
And we got shit.. just as when Illidan died.. it feel thin and just lazy.. A story with no heart
The ending should be something you remember the movie for, something that reflects what has been before it.
And this just makes Arthas and all the lore around him and the Lich King look like meaningless shit.

just my thoughts for the future...

expansion #4....return of the lich king
level 85-90
general story line:
1.43 seconds after the cataclysmic battle between heros and deathwing global warming occurs and the lich king is relseased back into azeroth, heros must battle in southrend blah blah blah...

Originally Posted by asfalito

Though I see your point, you're missing mine, Im not saying he is a "last minute" solution.. just the easiest one and a very lame one.
And the fact that he actually dies and somehow returns in Lavaform just makes me rofl.

And for the post above me, dont try to be a wiseguy dude..
"Have you seen the whole Wrathgate stuff?".. of course I have.
It still doesnt really make me feel that Bolvar is major character in Warcraft lore.
His role has been to stand beside a child in Stormwind while Wrynn was absent, to later lead an assault on Wrathgate - Do you really think that justifices him being the new Lich King?

Tirion, Mal'Ganis, Ner'Zhul or just someone more "major" wouldve been accepted imo.
Bolvar? no...

Blizzard knew Bolvar was going to be the Lich King when this expac was in the planning stages... When you hand in the quest after the wrathgate Alexstrasza tells you the following:

"Our fate is emblazoned upon our souls at birth. Bolvar's fall, while tragic, was unavoidable.

All that you can do now is honor your hero, <name>. Collect Bolvar's shield from the field of battle and return it to your king. When you present the shield to Varian, tell him this: "All is not lost. From the ashes of the fallen will rise a force that will unite nations and purge the evil from this world.""

The being who has risen from the ashes, quite literally from the dragon's fire, is Bolvar AKA Lavaman AKA the Lich King V2. This entire expac has been a hymn to fallen heroes, with Arthas being the most obvious example. You complained about this being a lame culmination to the story of Arthas "we only get a 3 minute cutscene"- what did we get when Illidan, arguably as pivotal a character as Arthas, was defeated? Or Kil'Jaeden for that matter? This is the perfect epilogue to Arthas's story- the fallen hero vanquished, his place taken by the most noble of sacrifices. Arrogance replaced by selflessness, cruelty by sacrifice, dishonour by honour. It's everything that the greatest high fantasy literature embodies, and you'd rather instead that Mal'Ganis popped up and shouted 'Onslaught Harbour was merely a setback, I IZ TEH NEW LITCH KING!'?

Seriously, try and develop a sense of the dramatic- this cutscene is awesome...

This "cinematic" shows how the good plots became crappy plots.

Its like Matrix, but with different ending, with ending where Neo unplugs power of main server and all Machines explode and "failsafe" system awakens all the humans + everyone lives happy ever after...


Srsly Blizzard, this is bullshit