wow...alexstraza is a shady skank (spoilers)

[ElAmigo]

now i know there has probably been many threads on the vid that was just released but it hit me as soon as bolvar said it. "The dragons flame sealed my fate, the world of the living can no longer comfort me" this is what lavabolvar tells tirion and the first thing that came to my mind when he said that was what alexstraza says when you talk to her after the wrathgate scene. when she says "They must not discover the fate of the young paladin. Not yet." she was not talking about him being captured by the lich king it seems like she planned for him to be arthas' replacement once we killed him.

anyone else thinking the same thing?

[Idaho Immortal]

It's seems Captain Obvious is our new hard mode only boss.

[Taen]

Dragons know a lot more than we do, about pretty much everything.

Alexstrasza planning this is hardly an awful thing, seeing as Bolvar isn't nearly as bad as Arthas.

[kabshiel]

Alexstrasza planning this is hardly an awful thing, seeing as Bolvar isn't nearly as bad as Arthas.

It's kind of awful for Bolvar...

[sscavenger]

It's kind of awful for Bolvar...

Do I let him melt in plague gas or fry him up so he can save the world from the Scourge? EXTRA CRISPY MY CHILDREN! Momma wants to smell him at the temple!

[Tablemaker]

Or...

Since the plague was designed to kill both the living and dead... It was a forgone conclusion that he was dead. If a the undead would die from the plague then the living had no chance. It was only the flames from the lifegiver that enabled Bolvar to come out of that plague attack with a heartbeat.

She did not want us to know that 1: Bolvar was alive 2: Bolvar was captured.

Why?

Because it could have changed the actions to come against Arthas.

[Deleted]

Alexstrasza planning this is hardly an awful thing, seeing as Bolvar isn't nearly as bad as Arthas.

First of all, that's complete bull. Arthas and Bolvar are both "good guys", Arthas became a jerk after being corrupted.
Also, Alexstrasza did not plan anything. She saved Bolvar (preserved him, flames of life blah blah). I don't know if you saw him back there at the wrathgate event, but the guy was dying.
However, doing so, she sealed his fate as successor of the lich king. She's time aware and knew what was going to happen to him.
Thirdly, Bolvar isn't being forced into anything there. It's by his own choice he takes succession as lich king.

[Odayaka]

She's time aware and knew what was going to happen to him.

I think you're confusing Alexstraza with Nozdormu, guy.

[Deleted]

I think you're confusing Alexstraza with Nozdormu, guy.

I'm not, all dragon aspects are time aware to some extent. The bronze flight just happens to have a lot more control over time.

[Odayaka]

I've never heard that. Is that stated somewhere or inferred?

[Deleted]

I've never heard that. Is that stated somewhere or inferred?

Kind of going off-topic here, but as an eternal, Alexstrasza possess enough power to make time aware decisions, at least on a short scale; particularly with the whole "look at me I'm immortal" thing to it. From WW (I know, shady source):
"Eternals are Azeroth's immortal beings. These demigod-like beings are immortals with nearly divine powers."

[Dark Side]

Your title is a bit too harsh on her.... i thin the phrase was, "grow up"

[Tommorello]

I'm not, all dragon aspects are time aware to some extent. The bronze flight just happens to have a lot more control over time.

I've never heard of anything like that. but i suppose it's possible that Nozdormu, before disappearing in time, told Alexstrazsa of the events at the wrathgate and the ramifications of her actions

[Taen]

First of all, that's complete bull. Arthas and Bolvar are both "good guys", Arthas became a jerk after being corrupted.
Also, Alexstrasza did not plan anything. She saved Bolvar (preserved him, flames of life blah blah). I don't know if you saw him back there at the wrathgate event, but the guy was dying.
However, doing so, she sealed his fate as successor of the lich king. She's time aware and knew what was going to happen to him.
Thirdly, Bolvar isn't being forced into anything there. It's by his own choice he takes succession as lich king.

Arthas did become a jerk after being corrupted, yes. Bolvar did not get corrupted at all from what we've seen. As such, Arthas post-corruption (meaning his entire career as a death knight and as the Lich King) was a bad guy, and Bolvar is a good guy. A good guy on the throne (Bolvar) is better than a bad guy on the throne (Arthas post-Frostmourne).

So Alexstrazxa knew exactly what was going to happen to Bolvar if she preserved him, and then preserved him? Sorta sounds like a plan to me.

[Hexus]

I've never heard of anything like that. but i suppose it's possible that Nozdormu, before disappearing in time, told Alexstrazsa of the events at the wrathgate and the ramifications of her actions

I don't see how this is a matter of knowing the future (in the prophetic sense), so much as putting two and two together. Alexstrazsa may be familiar with what would happen if the control of the scourge is broken and decided to have a replacement lined up.

[Simbert]

I would not trust dragons so easily.

An other possible interpretation of the events would be that alextrasza created bolvar-lavaman to control the scourge.

An uncontrollable scourge is a danger to the dragons, but having here own creation as the leader of the scourge seems to be just a tad bit too much coincidence. I believe that she knew that a new lich king would be needed, and proceded to turn the best possible candidate to her side.

Maybe all of this is fighting on the wrong side, and in a few addons we have to kill alextrasza. Just because someone might know more than you does not automatically make them someone you should follow. Dragons do not have the same goals as the human race, so it is best to be as sceptical as possible when they are involved. Something that is good for the dragon queen is not necessarily good for us.

[Prydain]

You have to remember when you start killing trash in icc you hear Bolvar screaming something like, I will not be controlled. So the theory that alextrasza kept bolvar's body is kind of shady

[NGRazor]

Alexstrasza will do anything to protect life on Azeroth. Look at what happened to Malygos in his obsession to keep mortals from improperly using magic. The scourge will be used to fight the burning legion at some point.

[Carni]

Alexstrasza will do anything to protect life on Azeroth. Look at what happened to Malygos in his obsession to keep mortals from improperly using magic. The scourge will be used to fight the burning legion at some point.

That brings a pretty awesome warzone like scene to my mind.... but then again whos to say those are to help fight deathwing... its not like he is going to be a push over.

[Florena]

First of all, that's complete bull. Arthas and Bolvar are both "good guys", Arthas became a jerk after being corrupted.
Also, Alexstrasza did not plan anything. She saved Bolvar (preserved him, flames of life blah blah). I don't know if you saw him back there at the wrathgate event, but the guy was dying.
However, doing so, she sealed his fate as successor of the lich king. She's time aware and knew what was going to happen to him.
Thirdly, Bolvar isn't being forced into anything there. It's by his own choice he takes succession as lich king.

Arthas' downfall was not so black and white as say Kerrigan's from Starcraft where she was good, got zergified and was then evil. His descent into the darkness started with the purging of stratholme, (though what else could he have done there?) his obsession in chasing Mal'Ganis to Northrend, defying his father's command and destroying his own ships so his men couldnt leave Northrend, and and then betraying the mercenaries that helped him do so.