Lich King World First Kill by Ensidia

[Oogzy]

I thought the "excuse" was hilarious. Your rogues using Saronite bombs which do 1000 damage that have a minute cooldown is their "usual" rotation. Right Ensidia, right.

[ben-]

This is basically why they can't play the ignorance excuse.

Even if they didn't know what was causing the exploit, they still knew something was wrong and continued anyway, Blizzard hot fixing it was just icing on the cake.

Punishment should be taken, there's no way they didn't notice the platform being rebuilt over 10 attempts, unless they're blind, and we all know they can't play the game at that level without sight.

Sorry, Ensidia.

This is the fact here, their not dumb their professional gamers FIX THIS BLIZZARD if their (ensidia) is 100% sure they would get him down then give them the chance the rest of the guilds will have. instead of spoon feeding them a world first.

[Zandrai]

I've been in situations like this before, I know that it was painfully obvious that something was wrong with the fight. They even did it on 10 Man before 25 man. Put yourself in their shoes, do you:
A) Sit around and wait for a hotfix, when World First is at stake
B) Cut things from your DPS' rotation, in what seems to be a very DPS intensive fight
or
C) Press on anyway

That's what I thought. Any serious raider would pick option C.

Now now.

I remember at Yogg when they didnt manage to get the world first zero watchers. Obviously they found the bug exo used, reported it and called the raid.

Now, why didnt they just report the bug this time aswell? If any other guild would have killed it with the bombs, it would be the same thing. They could still have killed him legit after the fix was applied since "he would have been dead anyway", right?

[Kaeyne]

I thought the "excuse" was hilarious. Your rogues using Saronite bombs which do 1000 damage that have a minute cooldown is their "usual" rotation. Right Ensidia, right.

You must not raid much.
I know at least 5 Rogues that use Saronite Bombs on cooldown in their rotation. It's a free 1000 Damage that's off the GCD, who wouldn't use it? Add that to the fact that Engineering gives other buffs that increase DPS, and you have a very solid profession.

[Luph]

Siege damage shows up in a bright orange color that sets it apart from normal damage. Knowing that they had done the fight on 10-man already I find it extraordinarily hard to believe they didn't connect the dots.

[merlin371]

So the exploit didnt exist in 10P mode, surely they must of noticed a difference in the fights 25 mans are technically harder right ?

so? like many have said, even if they knew; what should they do about it? I sure wouldnt stop just cause things go different, if the game i pay for is bugged i'll play it until it kicks me out of the game cause the bug is a critical one, they're not exploiting not even slightly, the exodus was an exploit, is like when you fight van cleef and have the healer put the adds on evade, they knew it would happened and they exploited it, now ensidia didnt even know why it was happening, it just was and it's because blizzard didnt fix the bug before hand, they didnt exploit the gameplay, it just happened.

[Dagnamit]

I usually don't chime in on something like this, but how many times can Ensidia say, "whoops!" and have people still believe it. The pattern is there for all to see, and points in one particular direction.

[Ryme]

Why help opponents in a race? ???

What race? If you've downed the boss, you've just won the race :P

[Kaeyne]

What race? If you've downed the boss, you've just won the race :P

The Hard Modes race...

[tommypilgrim]

I've been in situations like this before, I know that it was painfully obvious that something was wrong with the fight. They even did it on 10 Man before 25 man. Put yourself in their shoes, do you:
A) Sit around and wait for a hotfix, when World First is at stake
B) Cut things from your DPS' rotation, in what seems to be a very DPS intensive fight
or
C) Press on anyway

That's what I thought. Any serious raider would pick option C.

And anybody with a brain would realise that all hell will break loose when the fight was revealed to be bugged. How quickly did Blizzard patch it after the fight? Any serious raider would realise that Blizzard would patch it ASAP and they'd compete for the World-First patched kill, the kill that people will regard as the legitimate kill.

Congratulations Ensidia, Lick King World First (Bugged) Kill!

[Mech]

I usually don't chime in on something like this, but how many times can Ensidia say, "whoops!" and have people still believe it. The pattern is there for all to see, and points in one particular direction.

Especially when you look at people who were there for the kill and notice many recently learned engineering. I guess that was just a random coincidence right?

[merlin371]

I usually don't chime in on something like this, but how many times can Ensidia say, "whoops!" and have people still believe it. The pattern is there for all to see, and points in one particular direction.

Ya but whoops or no whoops, it's always them, they know how the game works so well that they know what they're doing to get around things, it's a talent in itself tbh, if it was so easy to exploit to get world first then world first would go to all sort of random guilds.

[un_known]

The Hard Modes race...

yes... since hard modes and normal modes are the same.....

[bigjenk]

If they cheated, and reported it to blizzard, it doesn't matter, they deserve it.

For those of you who compare this to Exodus, keep in mind Exodus didn't say anything about it, and they released a video showing the kill. Maybe it was their way of being sarcastic and everybody took it the wrong way.

I mean really, "It was luck granted by the gods " And then later the video pops up? I found to be quite funny.

Plus, how odd of a bug is that? Would you ever have expected such a thing? You dont see the Lich king upside down and rubberbanding all over the place, people are acting like blizzard meant for this to be intentional through some backdoor deals with Ensidia, so all the guilds in the entire world will suffer.

Blizz says it made it considerably easier and they respond with oops didnt know and wouldnt have made a difference. doesnt sound like much of an explanation for a guild that breaks down attempts and "thinks outside the box" a lot. Would really like to see their gchat or raid chat during this day and fraps. But that will never happen. Imo ban and achievement strip just like they have sought for other guilds.

Oh and lol that it wouldnt make a difference if you have done the fight it is a decently large factor in the fight.

[Notrollz]

wait so let me get this straight...they didn't notice the ground reforming in their first 10 attempts but they did notice after they killed him?...rofl...cheap imo..

[Doomfree]

Any pro rogue to confirm/deny Saronite Bomb being part of rotation?

They "should" know platforms reappearing in 25 mode is a bug since it didn't happen in 10?
Gimme a break, remember how the community cries "25 men bugged there's only 1 abom in prof"
NO ONE knows whether it's part of mechanic or not until blue/GM clarify. I blame blizzard's QA.
Blizzard never disclose boss strat. who knows if saronite bomb spawning platform isn't part of the fight?

"YES saronite bomb is part of the fight, just as we assume there'll be a priest in 25 raid we think it's fair to assume there'll be engineer in a 25men fight"

/sarcasm

[Kaeyne]

Especially when you look at people who were there for the kill and notice many recently learned engineering. I guess that was just a random coincidence right?

This escaped my attention, and I hereby revoke everything I said in defense of Ensidia.

[Woogs]

It all comes down to whether they knew they were exploiting. Can anyone really argue they deserve the title and fame if they knew they were exploiting?

Now I don't know how the bug works, but lets look at what is known. Do you really think a competitive guild like Ensidia didn't do any research on the Lich King encounter? It has been known for a long time that the floor breaks away. Do you really think that there were no visual clues to the exploit after 20 something attempts?

I don't know for sure, but I've read some comments about them killing him in 10-man first. Do you really think they thought that the encounter would be different in 25-man, the only thing being the floor doesn't break?

If you answered yes to any of these questions, drop me an email. I want to sell you the Statue of Liberty for a good price.

[Thacks]

Just because others before this hotfix had the chance to exploit it does not mean it's ok so people need to stop using that excuse.

[Oogzy]

This escaped my attention, and I hereby revoke everything I said in defense of Ensidia.

Yeah was going to mention that. Also the bonuses from JC/BS, which they had before, were much better for PvE. It's pretty weird that they suddenly switched.

I fail to see why this "LOL everyone rerolled engineering to exploit the kill" is standing as some kind of plausable statement.

It would ONLY REQUIRE ONE ENGINEER TO USE ONE BOMB TO CAUSE THE BUG. Seriously, some people need to use there heads before posting.

It's on a 1 minute cooldown. That's too long to exploit it to the extent that they did is why.