Ensidia suspended for 72 Hours

[Nathrakh79]

You know, whether they knew what they were doing or not, this is honestly just karma coming back at Ensidia. Granted they are great players and a great guild, they have openly admitted to using exploits before to get a world first kill. Also if anyone remembers, Exodus openly admitted to using an exploit for world first Y+0 kill and Ensidia trashed Exodus and praised Blizzard for taking away the acheivement and banning the players for this. Now Ensidia is in the same point, and they think Blizzard is being unfair? Is there an old saying? The pot calling the kettle black.


Ensidia, isn't karma a bitch?

[DKlover]

The Ban is complete and utter B.S. on Blizzard's part. They discovered a bug in the game and they get punished for it? Loot and achievement should be removed, but the ban is completely unnecessary.

I'll bite to this one too! What about Exodus they found a "bug" as you call this and used it to kill yogg 0 for a world first the result being they got banned.

This is the same situation thank god blizzard finally banned them proving that they arent playing favorites. They have gotten away with far too much and its good that its finally stoped and maybe they might send there emails sooner rather then killing the boss while they can be the only ones that can exploit it.

So mister Ensidia fanboi defend your almighty guild now

[emp]

Fact of the matter is, you don't know exactly what happened, because you weren't there, yet you've already condemned them.
Bashing Ensidia is popular these days anyway.

Till I see some absolute proof that they INTENDED to use the bug to make the encounter easier for them I'm going to go ahead and believe Ensidia.

People who have already condemned Ensidia will always find things that point to guilt, just as people who believe in their innocense will always find things that point to innocense.

I for one, believe in 'Innocent till proven guilty'

(Oh, and for people that keep referring to the alledged previous cheats and exploits, get over it. Most of those have been proven false, or have no evidence what so ever to back up the claims.)

So the fact that Blizzard imposed a ban isnt enough proof to you that there is enough evidence of exploitation?The proof registers in this instance indirectly.In other words, though Blizzard making a mistake isnt impossible, i would definetly call it highly impropable.Honestly, when you got access to combat and chat logs and when Blizzard staff is present in such kill attempts(invisible obviously) would you think that they proceeded to such an act without enough evidence?As i said highly unlikely.

[Caireann]

I don't get it... Blizz should be thankful that someone discovered this bug so soon. Banning people for their own bugs is a bit too harsh, what they are trying to achieve with it?

Release content after testing it thoroughly on PTR, Blizz!

[andremello]

Why does that rogue have a lvl 80 rogue alt?

If every main has an alt of their own class you're doubling the attempts per week with the optimal raid group.

[Aerts]

I'm tired of Blizzard acting like their bosses can't possibly have bugs. By now, they should know high-end guilds like Ensidia will find a way to exploit it any way they can, and quite frankly, they are quite smart for doing so. From now on, I think any "World First" kill should be accompanied by a, "for now..." since it seems Blizzard will always find a way to ban people.

Really?

C'thun - exploited, no one banned.
Kel'Thuzad Original - no one banned
TBC - tons of bosses exploited, no one banned.
WOTLK - Exodus banned on Yogg-Saron 0 light for 3 days. Ensidia banned on Arthas for 3 days.

They ban a ton of people right?

[Sakashima]

I'm tired of Blizzard acting like their bosses can't possibly have bugs. By now, they should know high-end guilds like Ensidia will find a way to exploit it any way they can, and quite frankly, they are quite smart for doing so. From now on, I think any "World First" kill should be accompanied by a, "for now..." since it seems Blizzard will always find a way to ban people.

This falls under "Just because you CAN do something, doesn't mean you should."

And yeah, Ensidia are so awesome they're the up-and-down#1 guild in the world, I find it hard to believe they didn't know something was wrong when the platforms came back up. They also know what happened to the world first Yogg+0 kill, too. I think it's funny they tried to act ignorant to it.

[Juggernautt]

ABOUT TIME THEY GET BANNED TOO!

love you exodus =)

[Zanter]

Why does that rogue have a lvl 80 rogue alt?

Most, or atleast very many Ensidia members have an alt of the same class and specc, to increase the allowed attempts each week. I think lots of other top-guilds use this mechanic also.

On topic: If it is as Tun says, and they kill the adds on the platform (I haven't done the fight myself) I'd say it would be legit to take away the achievment and loot, as it seems the diffuculty of the fight decreases alot. But hell no they should recieve a ban for this, it's not thier fault blizz can't make the boss-mechanic work as intended.

[danmart1]

Scary. I made the comment yesterday to my guild that if I were a Blizz GM, Dev, etc. I would have given Ensidia a 3 day ban. Not because they used a "cheat," as there is some debate over wether or not they reasonably knew what was causing it, but because of the comments they made about testing the fights for bugs. There are many reasons Blizz didn't/couldn't test the hundreds-of-thousands lines of code, of which secrecy was one. Had Ensidia not decided to bash Blizzard employees they may have gotten to keep what they earned.

[Kaneiac]

You know, whether they knew what they were doing or not, this is honestly just karma coming back at Ensidia. Granted they are great players and a great guild, they have openly admitted to using exploits before to get a world first kill. Also if anyone remembers, Paragon openly admitted to using an exploit for world first Y+0 kill and Ensidia trashed Paragon and praised Blizzard for taking away the acheivement and banning the players for this. Now Ensidia is in the same point, and they think Blizzard is being unfair? Is there an old saying? The pot calling the kettle black.


Ensidia, isn't karma a bitch?

It was Exodus.

Please don't say Paragon. I love them. :[

[Xerix]

A bunch of losers were crying for them to be suspended on the American (which I am) raid forums, so I think Blizz gave in to that. Either way it's not a huge deal, they still got easy-mode world first, and a 3 day ban doesn't really hurt anyone...vacation from raiding fun time, if anything.

[Nathrakh79]

It was Exodus.

Please don't say Paragon. I love them. :[

Post fixed, I was mistaken and quickly fixed it while you were quoting. lol

[jtstormrage]

Blizzard you FAILED BADLY !!!

Agree Agree Agree

They would not allow this to be PTR tested and then there is a bug and the top guild in the world gets suspended for something they would have done anyway (i.e. using the Saronite Bombs).

Epic fail by Blizzard.

[Kungen]

Bergg this bug happened totally random on a few of the tries, it didn't even happen on all tries. Personally I'm not even sure that it was Saronite that caused it. I believe it was a bug in the encounter that caused it to happen, especially since the bombs did 0.000 siege damage. To me it just looks like that wanted a reason to ban us. If it actually was the saronites then there is no way in the universe that we could possibly have known that since they only did damage to the mobs Naihiko used them on. There was no extra damage on anything else.

We got banned for raiding and that's it.

On a side note. Every end boss in the game has had at least one bug since Vanilla for the first guilds reaching it. Onyxia, Ragnaros, Nefarion, C'thun, Kel'Thuzad, Gruul, Magtheridon, Vashj, Kael'Thas, Archimonde, Illidan, Kil'Jaden and the list continue all the way up to Arthas.

Once again. Banned for raiding.

[tweedk]

this is pretty simple.. it's not a world 1st because they dont have an achivement to show off anymore, and blizzard got their so called "WoW TV" where they can see players play (they have made that clear before) so they have probally seen something that they think deserve a ban (:

and now my theory.. Ensidia did attempts before the kill, and since the bombs is a part of the rogues normal routine, then he also used them on the attempts, so they must have known.. for once they got busted and now they're all QQ about it, I heard they bugged some flowers too in Ulduar? dunno how that worked but a lot of people got upset about it..

IMO, it's a deserved ban (:

but I wish them luck on getting world 1st anyway! (:

[syvas]

I'm sure there would be at least 1 GM in invisible mode watching Ensidia fighting the Lich King, so why weren't Ensidia warned? Especially after 4 attempts.

Secondly, a ban in my opinion is wrong. If any punishment should have occured it should have been:
1) Fix the bug
2) Respawn the Lich King for the lockout (taking into account the attempts they had already used up)
3) Allowed them to kill the Lich King normally with the remaining attempts (something I have no doubt they would have managed)

[Orion71483]

Aside from this being the Arthas encounter, is what they did any different than what people have been doing on the Skadi encounter and the Hydronox encounter for the achievements? I know those are easy sauce now, but a year ago on heroic these were tough encounters and people would "bug" them just to get the achievements. I understand that there is a world first at stake, but this was an unknown encounter by every one other than Blizzard. Ensidia may or may not have known what they were doing, but I think the way Blizzard is handling this is too severe. Again, this was an unknown fight and obviously the testing wasn't as vigilant as it should have been.

[Zyrus]

In a cry of joy, c'thun and vashj, eredar twins, hodir and mimiron chants "justice!"

Somewhere in the distance you can hear the gurgling sound from anub'arak as well.

[Kyocere]

Really?

C'thun - exploited, no one banned.
Kel'Thuzad Original - no one banned
TBC - tons of bosses exploited, no one banned.
WOTLK - Exodus banned on Yogg-Saron 0 light for 3 days. Ensidia banned on Arthas for 3 days.

They ban a ton of people right?

I personally know a ton of people who got suspended for exploiting Void Reaver in TK. So you obviously don't know what your talking about. Also there was an exploit to get to the chess room in Kara by yourself and to solo the encounter, many people got suspended for that as well.