Deathcharger Mount, ICC Normal Attempts Removed, Blue posts

[pan0phobik]

So, you are a worse player now than you were last expansion?

Then everyone should be thankful for the changes, because in no time at all, by you and the quoted player's logic, you're going to need them.

Oh wait, let me predict your next response:

You: No.

Me: Then your logic fails.

lol, seriously? Are you willing to stretch things that far in order to claim logical dominance on the internet? Nice try. Go back to trade chat where you belong. You aren't even worth a response, troll.

[pan0phobik]

What do you guys think? Do you believe that a new raid is plausible?

Considering that a lot of online vendors already have pre-release dates for the next expansion I find it unlikely, but I think it would be great if we had another dungeon to look forward to. If there was one, I'd want it to be a different structure than the others. Somewhere between the structure of ToC and ICC, but epic on the scale of molten core. I love a dungeon that's filled with nothing but menacing, gigantic, devastating mobs like in MC. I felt accomplished even after just downing a core hound back in the day. I'd like some of those moments back.

[Prag]

lol, seriously? Are you willing to stretch things that far in order to claim logical dominance on the internet? Nice try. Go back to trade chat where you belong. You aren't even worth a response, troll.

I have no desire or need to gain any sort of gratification on a forum. I'm merely calling out your statements as being absolutely ludicrous.

There is no "stretching" involved. Claiming that players get worse as encounters get easier blankets the entire player base. By excluding excellent players from that statement, you kill the statement altogether.

I mean, really...? At this point in the expansion, does every "Encounter Nerfed" post have to be met with 10+ pages of people claiming WoW is on it's last leg, catering to casuals, etc?

It's just old. Stop it.

[kanzaki.ryou]

I personally think that the limits wasn't a nerf, they didn't make the boss's easier! They just took the attempt limit off.

Also Heroic and Normal mode.... You got to kind of look at it as a way for blizzard to make the game enjoyable to all players that buy the game. It is sort of like any other console game. You get to pick the mode of difficulty that fits your play style. So it would be like blizzard puts up a screen that says
Pick your difficulty
1. Easy Mode: Normal with Buff
2. Medium Mode: Normal with out buff
3. Hard Mode: Heroic

Not everyone in the world can do 3, and why should people continue to play a game and not be able to complete it after paying the same amount that everyone else is paying to play. They give you options for a reason and that is to make the game to fit everyone’s play style.

Also look at Diablo 1, and 2. There were modes in that, right? The harder mode you picked the better the stuff you gain from the game. You get purples instead of greens from the last boss lol....

Very much agree with you here..
It's been like a game design philosophy to provide the players with several difficulties.
Easy - Normal - Hard, from nintendo untill PS3/xbox360..
so, at the moment blizzard is only implementing the concept..

in other words (in WoW terms =p)
Normal Mode - PuGs, casual guilds, player who likes to raid, people who would like to see the content

Hard Mode - Hardcore player, players who like challenge, Guild-based players (players who like to finish the content as a guild)

[Caradinist]

I mean, really...? At this point in the expansion, does every "Encounter Nerfed" post have to be met with 10+ pages of people claiming WoW is on it's last leg, catering to casuals, etc?

to be met with 10+ pages of people claiming WoW is on it's last leg, catering to casuals, etc?

on it's last leg, catering to casuals, etc?

Yes, and it will never, ever, end, no matter what you or anyone else says or does. The only course of action is to ignore it.

[someidiot]

I have no desire or need to gain any sort of gratification on a forum. I'm merely calling out your statements as being absolutely ludicrous.

There is no "stretching" involved. Claiming that players get worse as encounters get easier blankets the entire player base. By excluding excellent players from that statement, you kill the statement altogether.

I mean, really...? At this point in the expansion, does every "Encounter Nerfed" post have to be met with 10+ pages of people claiming WoW is on it's last leg, catering to casuals, etc?

It's just old. Stop it.

Hi stupid. I believe we should understand each other since we're both idiots, you especially.

The point is that the game has been repeatedly made easier and easier allowing newer players to be terrible and get away with crying nerf some more. Not that as the game gets easier you get worse as a player.

You must be one of the newer players and dont have a damn clue thats why youre even arguing it in such a ridiculous manner.

Also i personally never said anything about a "last leg" or any such thing. I still enjoy the game in general (which i also mentioned) but overall its gotten worse and worse and i wouldnt be surprised if it ends up like DDO.
The downhill spiral started in TBC, its been 2 years of getting worse and worse and im still playing, that doesnt change the fact that it has indeed gottten worse.

[Waggon]

Taking out attempts is going to cause a lot of stress and overworked people, similar to Anub 25 hard mode. 50 Attempts was essentially infinite, and we wiped over 150 times on him before we got him down. I really enjoyed how they did limited attempts this time around, it gave you enough to practice and get the kill but not too many that you were spending 10+ hours a week on one stupid boss where one stupid person can and does screw up every single attempt because they just don't care anymore.

A low limited attempt system keeps people focused and makes for a steady and organized progression where people are actually ENJOYING themselves. I know being overworked is more of a guild problem, but it will certainly not be an uncommon occurrence anymore, and I will miss the limited attempts system, even if it would have been the only thing preventing us from reaching hard modes.

[DrRight]

I'm pretty sure that Psyduck, despite the name, is actually a platypus.

[zagan80]

Blizzard is a business in case you cry babies have not heard, people pay for WoW and since they pay for it Blizz wants everyone to be able to enjoy the game equally would you like it if you payed for something and only got half of it??? Prob not, so less QQ people, if its such a hardship to deal with the changes they make then cancel your subscription and let me know when you find something better.

[TobiasX]

should be easy enough to any casual guild with actual good players and not idiots that afk or die in the first 10 seconds of every pull

Those people pay the same as everyone else, therefore by the current apparent logic they should also get to kill Arthas.

So, you are a worse player now than you were last expansion?

I wouldn't say that, but I would say that the players who have only raided in WotLK are worse than the players who started raiding in TBC (like myself) in general terms. It also follows that TBC raiders are, probably, worse raiders than vanilla raiders (besides the standard 15 afkers that were in most raids back then).

[someidiot]

Those people pay the same as everyone else, therefore by the current apparent logic they should also get to kill Arthas.

Thats a great point.
I suppose when a games taken over by so many absolutely terrible players its just time to move on.
You are right, i am sorry.
Doesnt mean i wont be upset when what was a great game gets turned into crap.
Dont get me wrong this game is still fun, just keeps goin downhill is all.

It just amazes me that ICC came out and was greatly balanced but theres so many bad players the content has to be changed to fallover and die mode. Thats how its been since TBC too. Remember heroics? old hillsbrad and black morass, arcactraz, those were basically the only 3 in TBC that needed nerfs, yet they nerfed the living crap out of every single instance and have done the same to every piece of content ever since.
Its really ridiculous.

[TobiasX]

Thats a great point.
I suppose when a games taken over by so many absolutely terrible players its just time to move on.
You are right, i am sorry.
Doesnt mean i wont be upset when what was a great game gets turned into crap.
Dont get me wrong this game is still fun, just keeps goin downhill is all.

It just amazes me that ICC came out and was greatly balanced but theres so many bad players the content has to be changed to fallover and die mode. Thats how its been since TBC too. Remember heroics? old hillsbrad and black morass, arcactraz, those were basically the only 3 in TBC that needed nerfs, yet they nerfed the living crap out of every single instance and have done the same to every piece of content ever since.
Its really ridiculous.

Just to clarify, in case you, or someone else, misunderstood me: I don't like that this is what the game has come to. It's just what blizzard has allowed the game to become.

I have no problem with casual or hardcore players, only extremely bad ones (things like mages who only melee or people who stand in the fire on Shade of Aran for 4 consecutive months... we all know at least 1).

[Fendel]

Say "No" to people on Death Knight mounts who are not Death Knights; one really good way to lose something rather unique to a class -- not to mention both of those re-skins look much better.

On my Death Knight, I've always wanted Darion's mount.

[Prag]

I wouldn't say that, but I would say that the players who have only raided in WotLK are worse than the players who started raiding in TBC (like myself) in general terms. It also follows that TBC raiders are, probably, worse raiders than vanilla raiders (besides the standard 15 afkers that were in most raids back then).

I agree with you completely, but I'd find it difficult to distinguish which of them are better players naturally and which of them are better players because of their tenure.

I personally saw the Limited Attempt mechanic to be the Hard-Mode when no Hard-Mode was available. It seemed like an inescapable separation between the good and the great.

Now that real Hard-Modes are available, why keep the restraint? What does some casual Guild banging their head against Putricide or BQL have to do with your progression through Hard Modes?

I suppose if the Hard-Modes are too easy, then the complaints make a lot of sense. As a casual player, I'm very glad I can fit WoW Raiding into my already-tight real life schedule. I also like the fact that they've made a way for people who have more time to commit the ability to reach content/gear/titles exclusive to the very best, because as much as I know I'll never be downing HM Lich King, it leaves the game "incomplete" for me and keeps me logging in and fuels my desire to improve my character.

[someidiot]

Say "No" to people on Death Knight mounts who are not Death Knights; one really good way to lose something rather unique to a class -- not to mention both of those re-skins look much better.

On my Death Knight, I've always wanted Darion's mount.

It was free dude. You didnt do a damn thing special to get the mount. And you can get my mounts with reputation.
so basically stfu
I'd still rather have the warlock mount.

[TobiasX]

It was free dude. You didnt do a damn thing special to get the mount. And you can get my mounts with reputation.
so basically stfu
I'd still rather have the warlock mount.

Rolling a DK is enough, same with Warlocks and Paladins. No reason to share those with other classes. Race mounts =/= Class mounts (for the few that have them).

[someidiot]

Rolling a DK is enough, same with Warlocks and Paladins. No reason to share those with other classes. Race mounts =/= Class mounts (for the few that have them).

Until every class has their own class specific mount nobody should be bitching.
People can go around all day long spouting about how "content should be easy so i can do it" but you dont want other people to have the mount you have?
haha!

[TobiasX]

Until every class has their own class specific mount nobody should be bitching.
People can go around all day long spouting about how "content should be easy so i can do it" but you dont want other people to have the mount you have?
haha!

Hint: mounts don't make you do higher dps

Different classes have different things. This is one of the good things about WoW.

[someidiot]

Hint: mounts don't make you do higher dps

Wait a second. Since what you said was totally besides the point are you hinting that people that want easier content so they can "enjoy it and see it" is actually "we just want free loot so we can dps better"?
Thats what i believe, but i just wanna make sure thats what youre saying.

[TobiasX]

Wait a second. Since what you said was totally besides the point are you hinting that people that want easier content so they can "enjoy it and see it" is actually "we just want free loot so we can dps better"?
Thats what i believe, but i just wanna make sure thats what youre saying.

If you are not a death knight, you do not get the argent deathcharger.
If you are not a paladin / death knight / warrior you do not get shadowmourne.
etc, etc...