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    t10 vs t9 upgrade help!

    Hello, here's a link to my armory http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...calp&cn=Nurwon

    I recently acquired the t10 gloves there in a lucky vault run, but already had my t9.5 http://www.wowhead.com/?item=48256. As you can see I was essentially trading in my old 2 set bonus for the new one.

    I tested my dps with both gloves on the target dummy, and on every attempt I took anywhere between a 300 and 500dps loss. Of course I'm keeping in mind this was self buffed on a buggy dummy, but repeatedly coming up short with what I thought was an upgrade kinda worries me. For the record, yes I was making sure to refresh my sting on CoTH and Set Bonus %Dmg Procs in order to keep my chimera shot hitting as hard as possible throughout.

    Questions are...
    Is the t9 bonus just too good to give up until I have 10.5+ or higher gear all around?

    Will the 15% dmg proc scale that much greater in 10 and 25 man buffs that it outweighs the benefit of serpent stings critting?

    Does serpent sting critting affect how hard chimera shot will land, or does it calculate the base dmg on the tooltip at any given point?


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    Re: t10 vs t9 upgrade help!

    UPDATE:

    Ok noticed one thing in my tests that may have thrown me off besides RNG of course. I had my pets CoTW on, and the 10% from that was being gained early on for my t9 glove attempt, and not for the other gloves. Once turning that off the dps difference dropped anywhere between 150-250 self buffed.

    So again question is, will raid buffs close this gap and make the t10 the clear upgrade?
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    Re: t10 vs t9 upgrade help!

    use both 2p T9 and 2p T10 ?

    If you missing some T9 piece just do a few heroics

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    Re: t10 vs t9 upgrade help!

    Spreadsheet shows that 245 T9 2 piece plus T10 2 piece wins until you have all 264 T10 (with non tier legs). If you have 258 T9 2 piece, then dps loss to go T10 4 piece keep that until you have 4x277 T10.


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    Re: t10 vs t9 upgrade help!

    Quote Originally Posted by Oggy
    use both 2p T9 and 2p T10 ?

    If you missing some T9 piece just do a few heroics
    I thought about it, not really keen on going from 245 crafted chest with 60ArP in gems, to a 232 Conquest piece, but I may try it
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    Re: t10 vs t9 upgrade help!

    Pug ToC 25 and get a trophy...easy these days.

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    Re: t10 vs t9 upgrade help!

    Basically what I found is that if you have T9 258, it isn't worth it to use T10 4 piece until get several pieces of T10 277. -Or- If you have T9 245 it isn't worth it until you get several pieces of T10 264. If you only have T9 232 then it is always worth it to use T10.
    I realize that my response is not completely relevant to your question but I thought it would be a good place to post this.

    (PS: Using antiquated Vanilla/BC verbiage to attempt to identify the different levels of Tier is just that: antiquated. Try to stick to using the ilvl of the tier you are referring to instead of resorting to decimal abbreviations.)

    Using my current setup: (7/57/7)

    My gear did not change across my tests:
    Neck: Wodin's Lucky Necklace
    Back: Recovered Scarlet Onslaught Cape
    Wrist: Icecrown Rampart Bracers
    Belt: Nerub'ar Stalker's Cord
    Boots: Rock-Steady Treads
    Finger1: Saurfang's Cold-Forged Band
    Finger2: Ashen Band of Endless Vengeance
    Trinket1: Needle-Encrusted Scorpion
    Trinket2: Deathbringer's Will
    Mainhand: Scourgeborne Waraxe
    Offhand: Blood Fury
    Ranged: Zod's Repeating Longbow


    Using 4pc T10 251 and 1pc T9 245: DPS potential for these is 9964.84 3rd
    Ahn'Kahar Blood Hunter's Headpiece (T10 251 Helm)
    Ahn'Kahar Blood Hunter's Spaulders (T10 251 Shoulders)
    Ahn'Kahar Blood Hunter's Tunic (T10 251 Chest)
    Windrunner's Legguards of Triumph (T9 245 Legs)
    Ahn'Kahar Blood Hunter's Handguards (T10 251 Gloves)

    Using 3pc T10 251 and 2pc T9 245: DPS potential for these is 10016.50 **Winner** 2nd
    Windrunner's Headpiece of Triumph (T9 245 Helm)
    Ahn'Kahar Blood Hunter's Spaulders (T10 251 Shoulders)
    Ahn'Kahar Blood Hunter's Tunic (T10 251 Chest)
    Windrunner's Legguards of Triumph (T9 245 Legs)
    Ahn'Kahar Blood Hunter's Handguards (T10 251 Gloves)

    Using 3pc T10 251 and 2pc T9 258: DPS potential for these is 10209.20 **Winner** 1st
    Windrunner's Headpiece of Triumph (T9 258 Helm)
    Ahn'Kahar Blood Hunter's Spaulders (T10 251 Shoulders)
    Ahn'Kahar Blood Hunter's Tunic (T10 251 Chest)
    Windrunner's Legguards of Triumph (T9 258 Legs)
    Ahn'Kahar Blood Hunter's Handguards (T10 251 Gloves)

    -----------

    Using 4pc T10 264 and BiS 264 Legs: DPS potential for these is 10406.87 2nd
    Sanctified Ahn'Kahar Blood Hunter's Headpiece (T10 264 Helm)
    Sanctified Ahn'Kahar Blood Hunter's Spaulders (T10 264 Shoulders)
    Sanctified Ahn'Kahar Blood Hunter's Tunic (T10 264 Chest)
    Leggings of Northern Lights (BiS 264 Legs)
    Sanctified Ahn'Kahar Blood Hunter's Handguards (T10 264 Gloves)

    Using 3pc T10 264 and 2pc T9 245: DPS potential for these is 10251.43 3rd
    Windrunner's Headpiece of Triumph (T9 245 Helm)
    Sanctified Ahn'Kahar Blood Hunter's Spaulders (T10 264 Shoulders)
    Sanctified Ahn'Kahar Blood Hunter's Tunic (T10 264 Chest)
    Windrunner's Legguards of Triumph (T9 245 Legs)
    Sanctified Ahn'Kahar Blood Hunter's Handguards (T10 264 Gloves)

    Using 3pc T10 264 and 2pc T9 258: DPS potential for these is 10440.05 **Winner** 1st
    Windrunner's Headpiece of Triumph (T9 258 Helm)
    Sanctified Ahn'Kahar Blood Hunter's Spaulders (T10 264 Shoulders)
    Sanctified Ahn'Kahar Blood Hunter's Tunic (T10 264 Chest)
    Windrunner's Legguards of Triumph (T9 258 Legs)
    Sanctified Ahn'Kahar Blood Hunter's Handguards (T10 264 Gloves)

    ----------

    Using 4pc T10 277 and BiS 277 Legs: DPS potential for these is 10897.23 **Winner** 1st
    Sanctified Ahn'Kahar Blood Hunter's Headpiece (T10 277 Helm)
    Sanctified Ahn'Kahar Blood Hunter's Spaulders (T10 277 Shoulders)
    Sanctified Ahn'Kahar Blood Hunter's Tunic (T10 277 Chest)
    Leggings of Northern Lights (BiS 277 Legs)
    Sanctified Ahn'Kahar Blood Hunter's Handguards (T10 277 Gloves)

    Using 3pc T10 277 and 2pc T9 258: DPS potential for these is 10706.14 2nd
    Windrunner's Headpiece of Triumph (T9 258 Helm)
    Sanctified Ahn'Kahar Blood Hunter's Spaulders (T10 277 Shoulders)
    Sanctified Ahn'Kahar Blood Hunter's Tunic (T10 277 Chest)
    Windrunner's Legguards of Triumph (T9 258 Legs)
    Sanctified Ahn'Kahar Blood Hunter's Handguards (T10 277 Gloves)

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    Re: t10 vs t9 upgrade help!

    What a great and helpful post! That level of detail really shows the variation in the T9 v T10 discussion.

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    Re: t10 vs t9 upgrade help!

    I, as a MM Hunter am not fond of losing my crit on my Serpent Sting (more damage from Serpent Sting means bigger Chimera Shot). But I'm going to upgrade anyways.

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    Re: t10 vs t9 upgrade help!

    Quote Originally Posted by Daginni
    I, as a MM Hunter am not fond of losing my crit on my Serpent Sting (more damage from Serpent Sting means bigger Chimera Shot).
    No, the potential for Serpent Sting to crit does not boost Chimera-Serpent damage.

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    Re: t10 vs t9 upgrade help!

    Saldar I love you. Awesome layout, and damn now I'm jealous I don't have access to all that gear to really test it out to that degree. I think I'm gonna pug a ToC and reserve a trophy so I can go 9.5Chest/Legs, and T10Hands/Shoulders......er sorry...245chest/legs, 251 hands/shoulders
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    Re: t10 vs t9 upgrade help!

    Just a minor detail but why do you choose to use 5 set pieces of different combinations in the tests, when say the Logsplitters from Emblems of Frost are so much better than the awful tier gloves. Assuming you do these tests as Marksman of course.

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    Re: t10 vs t9 upgrade help!

    Quote Originally Posted by Rindolor
    Saldar I love you. Awesome layout, and damn now I'm jealous I don't have access to all that gear to really test it out to that degree. I think I'm gonna pug a ToC and reserve a trophy so I can go 9.5Chest/Legs, and T10Hands/Shoulders......er sorry...245chest/legs, 251 hands/shoulders
    Better: 251 Shoulder/Chest, 245 Helm/Legs, 264 badge gloves, or alternatively,
    251 Shoulder/Chest, 245 Helm/Gloves, 264 crafted legs/264 Deathwhisper legs

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    Re: t10 vs t9 upgrade help!

    Why dont people just read the other Posts about the exact same theme? /cry

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