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    Twitter Dev Chat on 02/26/10, Blue posts

    Developer Chat on Twitter -- 2/26/10
    Originally Posted by Bornakk (Blue Tracker)
    We will be holding our next Developer Chat on Twitter on Friday, February 26, at 5:00 p.m. PST with World of Warcraft's lead content designer and lead systems designer. This chat session will focus on Icecrown Citadel and other Fall of the Lich King content.

    Questions will be taken live through Twitter, so be sure to sign up for a Twitter account at https://twitter.com/signup and follow account @Warcraft in order to participate!

    To submit a question for the Developer Chat, please tweet using the #BlizzChat hashtag between 5:00 p.m. and 6:00 p.m. PST on February 26. Due to the character limitation on responses within Twitter, all answers will be posted on the World of Warcraft forums in a dedicated thread.

    Link to the last Developer Chat: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/th...18868790&sid=1

    Blue posts
    Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
    People with multiple Battle.net accounts cannot log on this PTR Build
    There is currently a bug in the build that the PTR is being updated to that is causing this issue. This issue should be resolved in the next PTR build, but for the time being there is no work around available. If you have multiple Wow game accounts attached to a single Battle.net account, you will not be able to log into the PTR until the next PTR update.

    We're aware that this temporarily blocks some people from accessing the PTR. Please understand that we're working on getting this resolved in an upcoming PTR patch. (Source)

    Top guilds and raid encounters difficulty
    Players try to play that card a lot, that skill isn't a big deal because the mechanics are all pretty easy to understand, and therefore it's the class mechanics that are to blame, not the player. I don't buy it. I've seen the world first, or even server first kills of difficult bosses. Those players aren't just good, they are exceptionally good. They are probably ten times better than the guilds who get those kills a month or two later, and that's really no exaggeration. In fact, skill plays such a gigantic role that we have trouble balancing harder encounters. The skilled players can beat them without new gear while the second tier of players can never beat them. Now you can try to argue that all tanks are of about the same skill and it's the dps or healers that really make up the difference, but I don't buy that either. I've seen what the best tanks in the world do. They are really good. Don't dismiss them as being just lucky or dedicated. (Source)

    Healers coordination
    Now in general I wish there was a little more coordination among healers, but the current damage model we have just doesn't really allow it. I remember when tanking Molten Core, that the priest would say over vent "Big heal coming on the OT!" as he powered up a Greater Heal. You don't have that luxury these days. One of our designers was watching an old Illidan video recently and remarked how everyone was at 50% for so much of the fight. Now days someone is at 100%, will hit 100% in the next couple of GCDs, or will be dead. In that environment, you'd get "Big --" out of your mouth before it would be too late. Players need more health and heals have to be a little more expensive. (Source)

    Tanking homogenization
    There are extremes. One is just giving everyone say block and parry and Last Stand and Demo Shout because heck those are useful, and no doubt some players would be thrilled by that. The other extreme is to be so stubborn and so scared of homogenization that we never make a change. It doesn't surprise me at all that when a player finds his dude wanting, then looks around and sees a sexy ability or mechanic on another class that that grass can look awfully green. I'm just pointing out that homogenization is often our very last solution when all else has failed.

    A great deal of WoW's depth is because of the differences among the classes and among the various talent trees. We think it contributes to players not getting bored. We think it contributes to rerolling, perhaps trying another class when you get burned out instead of walking away from the game. It was cool for me the first time I healed a Feral druid in UBRS (if you're still playing, you rocked by the way) because she tanked things differently and I had to heal her differently. I felt like I was discovering something new in the game. I would have been sad if someone had pointed out, Ghost, dude, that was just bear art. Mechanically, she was blocking and Sundering (this was pre Devastate) and basically being a warrior.

    Resisting homogenization may not be important to you, but it is very important to us. Understand the huge mountain you have to climb whenever you're asking us to put those concerns aside. You're thinking about how to make your character a better tank. We're thinking about how to keep this game popular for five more years, or even longer. (Source)

    Death Knight (Forums / Talent Calculator)
    Icy Talons changes clarifications
    You put 5 points in Icy Talons. While fighting (and applying Frost Fever), you swing 20% faster. If you have talented Windfury Totem on you, you swing a total of 40% faster.

    You now put a 6th point in Improved Icy Talons as well. You have a passive personal 25% haste at all times. When you engage in combat and apply Frost Fever, you now have 45% melee haste. If you have Windfury also, you still only have 45% haste since Windfury and Improved Icy Talons are exclusive.

    This is basically a 20% haste buff to any DK who has Icy Talons and Improved Icy Talons. (Source)

    Will of the Necropolis Buff
    As I've said several times now, the Will of the Necropolis change wasn't an "OMG DKs are vanishing - let's buff" decision. A couple of designers looked at the cooldown, evaluated how often it really mattered, concluded not often, and thought the ability would be simpler to understand, less frustrating, and perhaps a small DK buff without the cooldown. The paladin and warrior health adjustments were a result of seeing progression on hard mode encounters, where bosses tend to melee for a lot all the time so health might trump cooldowns. Neither of them were huge changes and you can make the argument that things might have been fine without the changes at all. We thought a small adjustment was appropriate. I concede that these things are often subjective and others might have made a different call than we made. (Source)

    Druid (Forums / Talent Calculator)
    Starfall Buff
    The Starfall change is difficult to patch note because of the nature of the spell, but I'll share the numbers so that the theorycrafters among you can plug them in. It's a significant boost to the spell's damage.

    Initially, we had designed the spell to be more AE focused, but that hasn't been super useful for a class that also has Hurricane. Rather than adding another nuke we thought it made more sense to make the 51 pointer something that really delivers on damage. Yes it can be countered. PvP is designed with the intent that things can be countered.

    Main shot
    Base points 432 -> 562
    Coefficient 0.21 -> 0.37

    Splash damage
    Base points 77 -> 100
    Coefficient 0.12 -> 0.13 (Source)

    [...] I think I figured out how you all are calculating the coefficient, so maybe this will make more sense. Again, I'm not 100% sure we're speaking the same language here. If I have time, maybe I will just log in with a moonkin and compare the before and after and post numbers.

    Main star
    Old coefficient: 4.8%
    New coefficient: 37%

    Splash damage
    Old coefficient: 1.2%
    New coefficient: 13%

    As I said, these numbers are very generous. If Balance druids melt the world we may have to back off of them. (Source)

    Nature's Grasp Buff
    Nature's Grasp is a self buff that causes things that hit you to become rooted. That effect now has 3 charges. There is a small internal cooldown in between roots to keep say a rogue who hits you twice very quickly from wasting two charges. In your example, both the DK and pet should get rooted. If the DK breaks the roots and gets on you again, they will get rooted again (subject to the 45 sec duration).

    The intent of this spell was to be a defensive tool for druids. Since it hasn't quite kept up, we wanted to try to get it to be more useful (i.e. do its job) rather than come up with an entirely new mechanic.

    [...] The DR hasn't changed. I would suggest go trying it out if you aren't sure how it works. (Source)

    Mage (Forums / Talent Calculator)
    3.3.3 Mage Changes
    The Combustion change was to let its cooldown line up better with e.g. trinket cooldowns. It just felt awkward at 3 min.

    The Fireball glyph change was because some Fire mages were getting such absurdly high crit rates that even more crit wasn't attractive. We weren't trying to make this particular glyph ridiculously powerful.

    The actual dps increases are something more like adding Pyroblast to Torment the Weak and Empowered Fire. That may have missed the most recent patch notes.

    I would also expect Arcane damage to fall overall with the Incanter's Absorption change. (Torment is also gratuitously overpowered, but that would be too big a change for now.) That should get Fire a lot closer to Arcane. Getting Frost up there too is harder, but we're still trying. (Source)

    Torment the Weak
    Let me put it this way:

    The talent says: Your Frostbolt, Fireball, Frostfire Bolt, Pyroblast, Arcane Missiles, Arcane Blast, and Arcane Barrage abilities deal 12% more damage to snared or slowed targets.

    What players see: Your Frostbolt, Fireball, Frostfire Bolt, Pyroblast, Arcane Missiles, Arcane Blast, and Arcane Barrage abilities deal 12% more damage at all times and if it ever doesn't provide 12% then Blizzard hates mages.

    A better design: "Sometimes" your Your Frostbolt, Fireball, Frostfire Bolt, Pyroblast, Arcane Missiles, Arcane Blast, and Arcane Barrage abilities deal 4% more damage.

    Because the damage swing is so huge (12%!) we have to make sure it is always up. The kit of slowed targets might as well not exist. It could say "You deal more damage when in combat," or "You deal more damage when you target someone."

    Because it's so overbudget, it can't be situational or mage dps swings enormously. Eclipse is in a similar boat. It's not a bad talent per se (in our minds - druids may disagree), but because the swing is so large, any time you don't benefit from it, your dps drops a ton. (Source)

    Paladin (Forums / Talent Calculator)
    Paladin Healing
    Yeah, as I said in another thread just now, I think the paladin is an outlier. It's okay for healers to have things they are slightly better at or slightly worse at, but the paladin is too firmly cemented into the role of MT healer. We don't want building a raid to be "Okay, grab a paladin and another healer." It should be "Grab 2 healers, preferably different ones." This doesn't mean paladin nerfs are incoming, because some of the problem is the nature of healing right now (huge constant swings, unlimited mana, much spamming, little coordination), and the other half of that is making sure a paladin on raid heal duty didn't feel gimped. (Source)

    Priest (Forums / Talent Calculator)
    Playing as a healing priest
    I won’t give you a video, but I’ll explain to you how I do it.

    Disc: PoM on cooldown. PW:S as much as you can (esp. on the Arcane mage until 3.3.3). Use Penance often when you need burst. Resort to PoH if a lot of people need healing at once, especially in 10-player raids where you don’t have a lot of other healers to pick up the slack. Keep Pain Suppression and Divine Hymn for emergencies. Use Power Infusion on a mage or lock if you don’t need it.

    Holy: PoM on cooldown. CoH on cooldown if there is any raid damage. Renew to handle the rest of the raid damage. Flash Heal if someone is still low after all of that. Save GS and Divine Hymn for emergencies or timed boss cooldowns. I tend to use Binding Heal a lot more than most priests because it makes me feel smart, especially when globals are in question.

    What I like: Feeling smart when I mix the right tool with the right problem. Saving lives when someone thought they were dead. Sitting there at full mana halfway through a fight because I didn’t heal when I didn’t need to. Penance in general. Body and Soul. Borrowed Time. Serendipity.

    What I don’t like: Using CoH so much. Dealing with Weakened Soul (esp. as Holy). Lightwell. Seeing priests die. (In all honesty I don’t die a lot, but I see Spirits of Redemption constantly. I guess as a sweeping generalization, priests have the stare-at-Grid syndrome worse than other healers.) Blowing 3 candles every wipe. Looking like a mage if I pick the wrong gear. (Source)

    [...] See, I like PoM because at least you are making a choice about who to put it on and sometimes you might even recast if it's sitting on someone that won't take damage again. (Story: Once back on Archimonde, a priest and I had both been doomfired or something and he pulled me aside and said "Just let PoM bounce between the two of us just for a sec." I was impressed.)

    CoH is good. It's so good in fact, that it's usually a bad choice not to push it when it's on cooldown. This means playing Holy is really about what you use your other 4 casts or whatever when you can't CoH. I'd rather use CoH less often and other spells more often. I think Holy needs the talent and it's really tree defining. I just want to use some of my other cool toys too. (Source)

    Healing talents in Cataclysm
    Both Holy and Disc have really great deep talents. The ones we'd consider pruning are stuff like Spiritual Healing, Empowered Healing and Divine Providence. Borrowed Time and Serendipity are clearly healing boosts, but they do it in an interesting way. (Source)

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    Re: Twitter Dev Chat on 02/26/10, Blue posts

    Nice reading as always
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    Re: Twitter Dev Chat on 02/26/10, Blue posts

    Could someone please explain me how to talk with Blizzard Devs? I made a Twitter account just now and i search'd "#Blizzchat" but i found only other guys speaking about it. :-\

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    Re: Twitter Dev Chat on 02/26/10, Blue posts

    I don't know if this change will make me go back to fire...but I miss it so much D:

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    Re: Twitter Dev Chat on 02/26/10, Blue posts

    Erm, I do get a feeling paladin healing is going to get nerfed. Meh, I've already abandoned my paladin because it was just so stale.

    Lok'tar Ogar!

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    Re: Twitter Dev Chat on 02/26/10, Blue posts

    still not sure if I as a dk tank will take the 5 points in WotN for now... unless someone can prove me otherwise...

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    Re: Twitter Dev Chat on 02/26/10, Blue posts

    I liked fire, i liked the changes, but blizzard needs to realize FIRE IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT GEARING!! arcane majors favored haste (even slightly before spellpower) and 30% unbuffed crit meant 45% in a raid which was enough. Fire goes Spellpower>crit=haste, where crit is semi important; and if FFB was ever an option, we'd need a lot more crit. at the moment i tend to ignore gear with just sp/crit and favor the sp/haste, sp/haste/crit, or sp/haste/hit.

    Oh also, i just dropped some hit gear so i wasn't 6% over the hitcap. Now i have to go fire and get all 6% back!?
    FINALLY GOT CATACLYSM!

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    Re: Twitter Dev Chat on 02/26/10, Blue posts

    pally thing was expected

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    Re: Twitter Dev Chat on 02/26/10, Blue posts

    If only a system existed whereby you could post more than 140 characters, so you could keep the Q&A to one single place.

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    Re: Twitter Dev Chat on 02/26/10, Blue posts

    (esp. on the Arcane mage until 3.3.3)

    They had to rub it in

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    Re: Twitter Dev Chat on 02/26/10, Blue posts

    Quote Originally Posted by Rusher
    Could someone please explain me how to talk with Blizzard Devs? I made a Twitter account just now and i search'd "#Blizzchat" but i found only other guys speaking about it. :-\
    BUMP!

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    Re: Twitter Dev Chat on 02/26/10, Blue posts

    Quote Originally Posted by Rusher
    BUMP!
    It's... completely obvious, if you would read.

    "To submit a question for the Developer Chat, please tweet using the #BlizzChat hashtag between 5:00 p.m. and 6:00 p.m. PST on February 26."

    at that time, on that day, tweet something that begins or ends with #BlizzChat, their API bots will find it and grab the question for them, and they may or may not answer it on the dedicated forum thread for the discussion (official Blizz forums).
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    Re: Twitter Dev Chat on 02/26/10, Blue posts

    Quote Originally Posted by LordArcsinh
    It's... completely obvious, if you would read.

    "To submit a question for the Developer Chat, please tweet using the #BlizzChat hashtag between 5:00 p.m. and 6:00 p.m. PST on February 26."

    at that time, on that day, tweet something that begins or ends with #BlizzChat, their API bots will find it and grab the question for them, and they may or may not answer it on the dedicated forum thread for the discussion (official Blizz forums).
    Basically when it begins in the box that says something like "What are you doing now?" write something like:

    "Hey Blizzard why do you use Twitter for your stupid Q&A? #Blizzchat"

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    Re: Twitter Dev Chat on 02/26/10, Blue posts

    To people with twitter accounts, someone ask them if goblins and worgen get to have rep gains through the argent tournament for mounts and stuff! ;D I want to know if I should get champion's purses or champion's writs to save up for goblin rep :P

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    Re: Twitter Dev Chat on 02/26/10, Blue posts

    Why O why does it have to be Twitter?

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    Re: Twitter Dev Chat on 02/26/10, Blue posts

    Are u fucking kidding me, NERF MORE THE MAGES U STUPID DESIGNERS . AND BUFF MORE SHADOWPRIESTS AND ROGUES GOGO AHEAD U PIECE OF .. WHATEVER !

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    Re: Twitter Dev Chat on 02/26/10, Blue posts

    Quote Originally Posted by Snes
    To people with twitter accounts, someone ask them if goblins and worgen get to have rep gains through the argent tournament for mounts and stuff! ;D I want to know if I should get champion's purses or champion's writs to save up for goblin rep :P
    Im 90% certain that they won't participate in the tournament. Because they weren't there to see the "downfall of the Lich King", so there's no Worgens or Goblins of Kezan in the nerby area of the tournament.

    Edit: Oops, didn't notice you mention rep gains. Thought you ment if they were gonna recive titles like "of Gilneas" or something. My bad.
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    Re: Twitter Dev Chat on 02/26/10, Blue posts

    Quote Originally Posted by LordArcsinh
    It's... completely obvious, if you would read.

    "To submit a question for the Developer Chat, please tweet using the #BlizzChat hashtag between 5:00 p.m. and 6:00 p.m. PST on February 26."

    at that time, on that day, tweet something that begins or ends with #BlizzChat, their API bots will find it and grab the question for them, and they may or may not answer it on the dedicated forum thread for the discussion (official Blizz forums).
    What does "Tweet" mean as a verb?

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    Re: Twitter Dev Chat on 02/26/10, Blue posts

    Yea we fucked up and you can't log onto PTR, sry 'bout that but we dont care, wait for next PTR patch... Pisses me off .

    /typo


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    Re: Twitter Dev Chat on 02/26/10, Blue posts

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Post
    I don't buy it. I've seen the world first, or even server first kills of difficult bosses. Those players aren't just good, they are exceptionally good. They are probably ten times better than the guilds who get those kills a month or two later, and that's really no exaggeration.
    No shit Sherlock? I wonder what did they expect by rushing their "We Love Casuals" parade in Wotlk


    Edit: My bad, forgot the money...

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